I liked Ron Paul until I heard he supports gay marriage.

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by jedimiller, Jan 1, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. l4zarus

    l4zarus Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    886
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18

    What makes you think rapists/pedos can't control their actions? These people just don't care who they hurt. They can and do control themselves if they're worried about being caught. They restrain themselves form attacking people they're worried might fight back and kill them. They restrain themselves for targeting children who might scream in public and give them away.

    You say attraction, but action is really what you're talking about. Because rapists have the same "attraction" everyone else has; what the do about it...forcing their desire on another...is what makes them rapists, not the "attraction".

    Technically the same is true for pedos: being attracted to children as an adult is twisted, but not criminal. It's acting on it by raping children that's criminal.

    Really all you're left with is rapists in your so called counterargument.
     
  2. l4zarus

    l4zarus Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    886
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    18
    ^^^this^^^
     
  3. Taxpayer

    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2009
    Messages:
    16,728
    Likes Received:
    207
    Trophy Points:
    63

    There are some American traditions that we're trying to outgrow. Limiting peoples civil rights based on race, religion, or sex is one tradition we can do without.


    [​IMG]
     
  4. Taxpayer

    Taxpayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2009
    Messages:
    16,728
    Likes Received:
    207
    Trophy Points:
    63


    Interesting that you claim to speak for same sex couples. Personally, I think you might be better off just letting folks speak for themselves. Most marriage vows are pretty clear. The couple is stating their desire to merge two lives into one. They speak about forming a lasting union, through good times and bad, sickness and health, to love and honor, to live as one, till death do they part.

    That lasting union, publicly announced and legally recorded, is what most folks claim they want when they're getting married.

    If our laws are going to recognize that union and support it with civil rights including tax breaks, inheritance forgiveness, and other mechanisms to allow folks to more fully merge their lives in finance and law... well, that's not why folks get married but those mechanisms shouldn't be withheld from some simply because your Bible doesn't like that kind of mingling. Regardless of what you choose to call them.
     
  5. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Does not matter both claim it is not a choice. I say it is.
     
  6. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have shown they do with health concerns
     
  7. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The point is if you claim Gays have no choice than neither do these other groups. I am showing how ridiculous your argument is
     
  8. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    32,931
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    0
    How did you determine that rapists do not really want to rape or that pedophiles do not really think children are sexually attractive?
     
  9. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If they support it why is that not that shown on the ballot? Gay marriage does not pass when put on a ballot
     
  10. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If they can control it so then can Gays.You support me in showing it is a choice
     
  11. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    32,931
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Can you give me an example? Tell me how anyone is at risk if two homos decide to have sex.

    A rapist is harming the person he is raping. A pedophile is harming the child he is molesting. Who are homos harming?
     
  12. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What makes you think gays want to be gay?
     
  13. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    32,931
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The other groups dont have a choice either. A pedophile does not have a choice of being attracted to children. A rapist does not have a choice of WANTING to rape someone.

    They do have a choice when it comes to their actions. But not their feelings. A rapist CHOOSES to actually rape someone, even if he doesnt choose to WANT to rape someone.

    There is a difference between feelings and actions.
     
  14. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    32,931
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    0
    LOL! Thats exactly my point!
     
  15. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have shown a doctor who documents Anal sex is unhealthy so yes they are putting their partners at risk
     
  16. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Show scientific proof of this
     
  17. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A drug addict does not want to be addicted but it is a choice. You can stop and change. Gays make a choice to give into lusts
     
  18. driller80545

    driller80545 New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2011
    Messages:
    503
    Likes Received:
    23
    Trophy Points:
    0
    What other people do in the privacy of their own home is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. It is called respect for individual liberty. GET IT? What kind of a country do you want, this is the real question. Which cult shall prevail?
     
  19. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    32,931
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Doing drugs is a choice. Wanting to do drugs is not a choice.
     
  20. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I do not know many people that want to hurt people. This is an urge and can be controlled.
     
  21. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    32,931
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You believe feelings and actions are exactly the same thing?

    If someone says they want to kill you, do you believe that person should be executed as if they actually murdered you?
     
  22. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I showed a link to a doctor that showed it
     
  23. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Self control stops action. I always have a choice for my actions
     
  24. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2004
    Messages:
    32,931
    Likes Received:
    89
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Exactly...ACTIONS can be controlled. That does not remove the urge.

    That is why you have no problems not having sex with the same gender...because you lack those urges. To you it is disgusting. To some other people it is the exact opposite. Not everyone was born with the same urges you have.
     
  25. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Messages:
    10,299
    Likes Received:
    508
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I am not making it public gays are.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page