interesting on-campus findings by former homosexuals

WHENEVER I SEe the term "bigot" or "homophobe" in a gay forum thread.... I know it's Johnny_C

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convenient term that "bi-sexual" is. It allows you to say "you can never switch" without sounding like a hypocrite.... lol

 

translation - BIGOTED HOMOPHOBE

 

And what is it to you? Do you feel threatened by homosexuals or bi-sexuals? I don't. . .it is none of my business, but it is their right!

 

Are you trying to wear me, Pas?

 

I have not read one post here where a poster wishes to deny people from engaging in homosexual sex. I believe you will see a consistent theme where we "bigots and homophobes" state that my rights end at the tip of my nose and your rights begin at the tip of your fist. That means that we should not be forced to conduct weddings, bake cakes, deliver flowers etc because we are being forced to do it. You should also not be forced into engaging in heterosexual sex.

 

Except for those that say that homosexuality if perverted and that there are those who support organizations that want to round up gays in camps...but go on. No one will be forced to conduct religious weddings for gays, civil ones would be done by people who sign up to do weddings so they are choosing to be in that position. As for cakes and flowers, democratically elected officials pass anti-discrimination laws so if you want to do business in those places you have to follow the law. You also can ban blacks from your lunch counter.

 

Nobody wants to round up anybody. I have a hard time finding a reason to call offering a talk therapy of any type to an adult as coercive. If you don't want it, no one will make you do it. Even the people who think "gay can be cured" aren't talking about forcing participation in their programs. It's available, if you don't want it, don't do it. As to the cakes and flowers, I think the laws should make an exemption for sincere religious objection as some religions teach that participation in such a thing is a mortal sin (ie a danger of hell). What the laws as written now force is that if you subscibe to those views (say being Catholic, Orthodox Jewish, Muslim, or similar) you cannot work in a bakery or a floral shop because if a gay couple wants you to do their wedding. refusing to do so means a lawsuit. Of course doing so means mortal sin, which means you can't obey. That's not fair either. It's not that there's something bad about gays gay weddings or anything like that. The same thing comes up with contraception and abortives in health insurance even Catholic religious groups had to provide coverage for contraceptives and abortives despite the fact that the church had long opposed that.

I'm in general for freedom, but I don't think making people violate their own beliefs is freedom. I shouldn't have to choose between my religion and my business. I shouldn't be able to deny you your freedom to live as you see fit, nor should I be able to force you to seek treatment for anything against your will. There's room for everybody,

 

Interesting.
Whereas there may not be a specific post in this isolated environment, there clearly are a lot of conservatives who not only wish to deny people from engaging in homosexual sex, but are acting to do so.
http://theweek.com/article/index/242412/why-do-so-many-states-still-have-anti-sodomy-laws
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/28/sodo...t-baton-rouge-sheriffs-are-using-them-anyway/
http://www.thenation.com/article/we-colonials-sodomy-laws-america#
https://www.aclu.org/safe-communiti...iff-misinterprets-state-sodomy-law-boy-scouts
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...3421_1_virginia-s-law-professor-supreme-court

You should be allowed to discriminate? Since when? Who else can you discriminate against?

That would be called rape. I don't think anyone has advocated that.

 

What about the former heterosexuals?

 

Here is a more complete quote

As a part of September’s Ex-Gay Awareness Month, Voice of the Voiceless (VoV) went undercover into seven of Virginia’s fifteen state universities to document a variety of misconduct among publicly-funded employees, including medically-inaccurate advice, view point discrimination, and biased counseling for students who experience unwanted homosexual feelings. The investigation, which occurred over a 2 ½ week period in September, involved two former homosexuals posing as graduate students seeking anonymous counseling for unwanted homosexual feelings at university resource centers for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or questioning (LGBTQ) students.

The LGBTQ Resource Centers in violation include the University of Virginia, James Madison University, George Mason University, Virginia Commonwealth University, Old Dominion University, Christopher Newport University, and the College of William and Mary. Today, Liberty Counsel, an international nonprofit litigation, education, and policy organization dedicated to advancing religious freedom, the sanctity of life, and the family, sent letters to all seven university presidents regarding their LGBTQ Resource Centers, urging them to include all viewpoints on this issue, and informing them that presenting only one viewpoint is not only wrong, but can cause harm to students.

“State-funded universities are required to provide value-neutral, medically-accurate information to all students in need of guidance. What we uncovered was a deliberate withholding of potentially life-saving information for students who may desire counseling to overcome unwanted homosexual feelings,” commented Christopher Doyle, President and Co-Founder of VoV. “A counselor at George Mason University told me that if I sought therapy to change, I would likely become psychologically-damaged, depressed, and even commit suicide. Instead of referring me to a licensed mental health practitioner or faith-based counselor that aligned with my spiritual values, I was told to attend the gay-affirming Metropolitan Community Church and read a book called ‘The Lord is my Shepherd, and He Knows I’m Gay’.

At Old Dominion University, the LGBTQ Resource Center staff said being gay was genetic, natural, and a part of your personality, and that therapy to help individuals who want to change is nothing but “brain washing” attempts to “pray away the gay” and “not valid.”

Organizations such as Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays (PFOX) have been providing informational pamphlets, free of charge, to state-funded Virginia universities for many years in an effort to advocate for students with unwanted SSA. But while gay-affirming information is readily available and prominently displayed for students to collect, ex-gay pamphlets are routinely destroyed and/or suppressed by biased resource center employees, who are required by law to provide equal access for all views on homosexuality. “At George Mason University, I nearly begged the counselor to give me an ex-gay pamphlet, which was buried in the bottom drawer of his filing cabinet. At UVA, the resource center’s director refused to show or give me an ex-gay pamphlet because he said he did not have enough of them to hand out. When I asked him where I could find scientific research on homosexuality, he referred me to the Huffington Post,” commented Doyle.

Last spring, Regina Griggs, Executive Director of PFOX communicated with UVA’s LGBTQ Resource Center Director Scott Rheinheimer, requesting that PFOX brochures and ex-gay books be placed inside the LGBTQ Resource Center and for PFOX to be listed on a printable list of resources to be handed out to students when requesting information. Mr. Rheinheimer assured her that the PFOX material was in his office and that PFOX general information material was in their center.

But during the undercover visit, the printable resource material that Mr. Rheinheimer distributed did not list any ex-gay organizations; rather, he scribbled PFOX’s name and website on the printed list only after repeated requests for ex-gay information. While no information was available on sexual orientation change, there was plenty of literature for transgender students seeking to change their biological sex, including this book.

Perhaps the most alarming “counsel” occurred at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, VA, which has a history of anti-ex-gay extremism within their faculty. The counselor suggested that people are born gay, and that therapy to help overcome unwanted SSA is motivated by religious extremists who “ship their kids away” to “conversion therapy camps” for months at a time so they would “come back straight.” Such myths, which have been advanced by gay
activists, have been thoroughly debunked.

When asked about the health risks of homosexual behavior, the counselor erroneously suggested that “protected” gay sex between men was no more risky than heterosexual intercourse and that the risk of HIV is no higher for men that have sex with men. She was also seemingly ignorant of the fact that there is no condom approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for anal sex.

“It is the height of irresponsibility to suggest that male gay sex is no more risky than heterosexual intercourse, especially considering that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently reported that an astonishing 94.9 percent of HIV diagnoses among teenage boys (13-19-years-old) were linked to homosexual sex and 94.1 percent of the cases among young men ages 20-24 were from gay sex,” commented Doyle. “Not only are these LGBTQ Resource Centers discriminating against those who seek to overcome unwanted homosexual feelings, but they are also failing to provide gay-identified students medically-accurate information that could potentially save their life. The fact that these centers are being funded by state dollars is completely outrageous. Every tax-paying citizen in Virginia should be outraged!”

Yeah- I love the part about the thoroughly debunked gay myth.

The 'cure the gay' treatments have been thoroughly debunked- and even Republicans like Chris Christie have said there is no value in them.

Anyway- shocking that the LGBT centers aren't promoting pamphlets which essentially call them sick or flawed. Shocking.

Liberty Counsel- lol.

 

Man I have no idea. xD

 

It is no more absurd than places like Michigan requiring Baptist Student Groups to allow Muslims and Atheists to join or force the organizations to disband on campus. I have no problem with student groups being selective, but this is what happens when people try to force non-discrimination policies on college campuses ahead of freedom of association. It is all absurd but when one side pushes forward with its agenda, do not be surprised to see another side push back or turn it against them.

 

And what "agenda" would that be?

BTW- since when are Baptists forced for accept Muslims and atheists? News to me.

 

It was some article I read where student religious groups at either Michigan or Michigan State were being forced to disband on campus or expressly admit homosexuals to their groups. That is the "agenda" of the moment, though they change. If someone subscribes to a faith that teaches homosexuality is wrong then they should be allowed to not allow homosexuals into their membership. If people want to associate indiscriminately then so be it. The world will not end if fraternities do not admit women; religious groups do not admit homosexuals; or MENSA does not admit liberals.

 

Here's where the conflict might be-if a group is publicly funded (tax dollars) they can't discriminate. If they are not, they can do what they want. I still have yet to hear about Baptists being forced to admit Muslims and atheists though...

BTW- I'm gay and play hockey with a Muslim, he's the captain of my team actually. Is that Ok with you? I can tell you it made me pretty nervous, as he picked me at tryouts and Muslims typically hate gay people. We're good friends now. But it did take some working out, I can tell you that.

 

I have no problem with Muslims and I don't care how people freely associate or not associate. Freedom to assemble means to me that the Nation of Islam can keep out whites and the Klan can keep out blacks. As for "public funding", it depends on what you mean by that. Some people might consider the Klan using a room at the library to meet at "funding" and some may not. I really have no problem even funding groups that discriminate to the extent that the funds are used for a legitimate public purpose (like giving grants to the former Catholic Charities to feed homeless people).

 

In principal, I agree... but to understand the reasonings for laws like this, I think you need to imagine what it was like in places like Las Vegas 60 years ago... If you were black, finding a place to stay for the night was damn near impossible, making it further impossible to conduct business and make a livelihood. An individual operating a small flower shop as he sees is innocuous. A community working as a whole to turn another community into second-class citizens is not actually free.

I'm not sure where the line is appropriately drawn... I think it's an abuse of the law to go after a flower shop when there are hundreds of others, but I also think there is a good purpose for it.

 

No.

Just no.

Speaking from my personal experience in college, having been a member of the LGBT and Gay Straight Alliance groups, that just utter BS.

We had heterosexual members within the group and they were freely welcomed.

However we did have some people seek to join and Start drama and cause problems. Turned out they were a members of the Christian coalition group that wanted to "convert" the heathens to a better life.

There is no reason that individuals should be allowed to harass other students who joined into a group for much needed belonging and safety.

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No.

Just no.

Speaking from my personal experience in college, having been a member of the LGBT and Gay Straight Alliance groups, that just utter BS.

We had heterosexual members within the group and they were freely welcomed.

However we did have some people seek to join and Start drama and cause problems. Turned out they were a members of the Christian coalition group that wanted to "convert" the heathens to a better life.

There is no reason that individuals should be allowed to harass other students who joined into a group for much needed belonging and safety.

 

what in the blue moon does that have to do with anything

Engaging in homosexual sex is not even similar to your race.

 

wooosh

allow me to be clear

homosexuals are not forced by govt to engage in heterosexual sex. That would fly in the face of individual liberty. Given that, people should not have their liberty usurped by the govt simply to spare the feelings of those who engage in homosexual sex.

 

What individual liberties are being usurped by the government? Your "right" to discriminate?

 

How clear do I have to be? "Public funding" is anything paid with tax dollars. There's no grey area there.

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That precisely what he means.

 

what you deem as your "right" to have the govt force me to perform a service when there are other similar services you could use is thus having the govt deem your liberty more important than mine. We are not discussing life threatening situations. We're talking about hurt feelings and using the govt to spare hurting the feelings of one particular group who is only different because they have sex differently than 96.6% of adults.

 

As opposed to someone who has skin color different from 84% of the people?

How is discrimination of someone because of their skin color any different than discrimination because of sexual orientation- or perceived sexual orientation? How is refusing to serve someone because you think they are gay any different than refusing to serve someone because you think that they are black?

 

Yeah- I'd like to know the answer to that one.