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Is Evolution Real

  1. Evolution is real

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  2. Evolution is real on the micro level only

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  3. Intelligent design is real.

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    There is a lot of money to be made in anti-science, anti-health, conspiratorial nonsense. It sells a lot of books.
     
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    You don't need theories to identify forams and to classify the rocks and determine the chance of oil.

    I'm trained as a biologist. I do personally think that evolution is the best explanation of how our living things formed. That said, knowledge of evolution has little practical value at the technician side of things. It's needed for the academic side, but not merely to do identifications.
     
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    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    Except the only things that you probably are taking into consideration, but not accepting, are things that go against your scriptural beliefs.
     
  4. WillReadmore

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    Ok, I read the first one which is about some guy in industry prmoting vaccines.

    The problem here is that we tend to mistake engineers who work to create commercial products for corporations as being scientists. While it is true that they often have advanced degrees and do research, we need to recognize that they are corporate employees.

    Remember the decades of tobacco "scientists" who said cigs are not a health risk?

    Somehow, we have managed to think that corporations care about humans instead of short term profits, so we fall for their advertising.

    I am not saying that guy is lying. He may believe what he is saying. But at best that needs to be seen more as advertising and much less as science.

    Please also note that science requires confirmation. Where is tge confirmation of thi guy's results?

    There will never be an agency that prevents him from making his claims, and blaming that on science is bs.

    This is just one of the reasons we need better education on what science is, and on how to incorporate science in our decisions.
     
  5. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    The second cite is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy.

    The problem here is that we are so poorly educated in science that we can not even identify it. In fact, we have multiple definitions for the word, helping to ensure we can't even talk about it.

    This is not a matter of imagination or whatever. It is a matter of simply educating people to the point where they can identify science, and from there, maybe some ideas on how to incorporate it in making decisions.
     
  6. OhZone

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    Which author made millions on his books?
    On the other hand look at the Billions in profits of big pharma.
    And just who exactly is anti-health? And the name of his book please.
     
  7. OhZone

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    Scriptural beliefs? emedlaulgh.gif
     
  8. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    Oh, sorry, I forgot you're a conspiracy theorist, not a Bible thumper.
     
  9. OhZone

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    Read the rest of that article and the other links too.
     
  10. WillReadmore

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    No, you point out a case that concerns you.

    I rebutted your first case. I am not going to have time or spsce here to rebutt each of them.

    I have read several, and the problem with going further is that one rebuttal doies not fit all cases.

    I will say that the overall problem is that we have so littlle science education that it is easy for authors to make claims. Somehow, we think science is a topic only for those who want to be experts in science, but every voter needs basic training in what science is.

    From there, we need to have a general understanding of how to incorporate science in our policy decisions. We attempt to do this, of course - we have no choice. The problem is that we really suck at it. In fact, I strongly suspect most don't evern know they are doing it.
     
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    You are right as to the general population, but most of them don't care, therefore the accept whatever any "authority" tells them.
    Sorry thing is that those "authorities" lie to fulfill their agenda.
    Media Deception: You Are Not Getting The Truth
    The Corporate Media And Network News Is Controlled And Works Against Us
    Truth Must Spread By Word of Mouth, By We The People, Or Else It's Never Told
    NewsFocus Op/Ed, by Tim Watts - 080611
    http://www.newsfocus.org/media_control.htm

    35 things the media reported as FACTS that were later found to be total lies

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/048714_mainstream_media_propaganda_lies.html#ixzz3elXFZXZb
     
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    Currently "Big Pharma" is funding an international study (6,000 just in the US) to study the DNA markers for Alzheimers....... and its a five year study...
     
  13. WillReadmore

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    I see this as stemming from our national disdain for education.
     
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    A five year waste of time.
    They should be looking at the poisons in our food, water, air and other things in our environment, even our clothing and home construction materials and furnishings. You heard about the chinese dry-wall fiasco?
     
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    Right,...
    They are two different disciplines.
    They have in common the one same axiom: that what they report MUST be factually accurate and hence TRUE.

    Hence, if Science says Evolution is True, and Bible readers deny this as a truth, the discussion begins as a claim that either Bible readers or science people are wrong.
     
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    The "money" is in the collection boxes every Sunday as Bible readers attend the churches which agree with their own long held interpretations of scripture.

    Billions...
    These people do exactly what Jesus complained against, as they deny Facts, and resist the very Truth which Christ said defined him.
     
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    I surprised that someone trained as a biologist would say a statement like that. Could a doctor be able to know what is causing bacteria to become resistant to antibiotics without the theory of evolution and natural selection? How can a geologist know where to look for oil without the theories of plate tectonics and stratification?
     
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    And if some can't take those classes and pass them I'm not a dummy with an IQ in the 120's but my mind is wired badly I get confused easy, my memory isn't good and my concentration either drifts all over or is to focused to multitask combining these classes were hell. I did earn a private school High School diploma in five years but they waivered accounting classes for two math credits and science classes I got by on with other classes on a lighter class load. That is why I was there a fifth year. But Calculus, Trigonometry and Statistics - you have to be kidding. I would think many students would drop out an average person just is that - average.

    Back on the topic since Evolution is backed by 150 years of science in multiple disciplines including the latest in genetics research and I don't understand why its even questioned as true, and why people need to invoke a divine hand to do anything involving that very well supported theory. Issues like the origins of reality and biogenesis have nothing to do with it as a stand only theory. Someday we will develop a theory for biogenesis I'm sure and we might even manage someday to have a working theory for the origin of existance. But its okay we don't since these don't affect Evolution as a theory.
     
  19. WillReadmore

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    Yes, good points.

    However they are corporate engineers working for a corporation that operates under free market capitalism, where the objective is near term profit. They know that they are unlikely to find a high profit product by looking in our water, etc. Heaven for them is engineering an aids cocktail - a product that is required (or you die) and you never get better.

    We can not blame science for how corporate engineers respond to our economic system.

    We do have scirntists telling us what's in our air, water, climate, etc. But, we have to learn how to identify them and how to listen.
     
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    Billion year old????

    Humanity has only been around for about 5 Million years.

    Evolution has been proven with 100% TOTALITY upon a Molecular/Atomic scale within DNA.

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    This I agree with you on.

    People are crazy!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    That can easily be found in Blood Tests.

    The Human Genome Mapping Project ended a while back.

    There are Labs all over the world looking for Genetic Markers to increase resistance to diseases, toxins, etc....and we can...RIGHT NOW....Genetically Modify a person to increase Human Life Span by 25% to 35%.

    But that could lead to massive overpopulation problems.

    Diseases like Cancer, AID's, Herpes Simplex II...etc....will all have Genetic Cures in the next 10 years.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Not to mention a real strain on the Social Security system.
     
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    EVERY SINGLE SECT OF CHRISTIANITY except Baptists....agree that Evolution is a REALITY!!

    I have gread admiration for Pope John Paul II who was very interested in Science and was the first Christian Leader to come out and tell the Faithful that the Vatican Science Team had spent a great amount of time and they agreed along with the Pope that EVOLUTION WAS A REALITY.

    This was back in the late 1980's.

    NASA was also sending it's advanced probes to Mar's and Pope John Paul II decided to GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE and told the Faithful not to be surprised in NASA might discover LIFE on Mars and other Planets.

    The ITALIAN PRESS WENT NUTS!!!

    The Rome Newspapers had Headlines that read.....POPE SAY'S WE COME FROM MONKEYS!!

    The Pope was asked about the Italian Press Headlines and replied....."They got it wrong....Humans are APES!!"

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    I also have a degree specific to Medicine so I would ask you to try this to help you concentrate.

    Make sure when you get up in the morning NOT to eat Carbs.

    Eat Eggs or Ham or Steak...whatever.....but limit your Carbs drastically for three days to see if this works for you.

    Things like Bread and O.J. are LOADED with Carbs and you can just make sure....as I do EVERY DAY...to take a MULTIVITAMIN like a Centrum or it's Generic.

    Protein consumption and Fat Comsumption help with a persons ability to CONCENTRATE and THINK!!

    Don't worry about Health Issues as the AMA....American Medical Association has determined and this is ABSOLUTELY A FACT.....that the Protein and Fats and Cholesterol we eat in FOODS IS NOT AND DOES NOT CREATE THE CHOLESTEROL THAT BLOCKS ARTERIES!!!

    What does create such Cholesterol?

    MACHINE MILLED SUPER FINE PROCESSED WHEAT FLOUR.....AKA......WUNDER BREAD!!!

    It's no WONDER why this bread created Cholesterol Buildup in Arteries as the Human Body CANNOT PROCESS THE SUPER FINE POWDED FLOUR IT IS MADE OF!!!

    Another thing to stop drinking for the first three days is ANY TYPE OF FRUIT JUICE!!!

    Believe it or not....FRUCTOSE CAUSES CHOLESTEROL BUILDUP IN HUMAN ARTERIES!!

    Try for THREE DAYS....to eat like this...

    Breakfast.....AND DO NOT SKIP ANY MEALS!!!

    3 Eggs any style but if fried make certain to use REAL BUTTER....as Margarine and even the kind that is supposed to Lower Cholesterol....is REALLY BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH!!

    Ham, Steak or Sausage....do not worry about Red Meat Consumption as this cannot cause Cholesterol Buildup!!

    DAIRY....have an ACTIVE CULTURE YOGURT....NEVER LOW FAT!!!

    Glass of Milk.....I like 1%.

    Water....at least 12 oz.


    Lunch.....again....PROTEIN.....eat a Salmon Steak or Pork Chop or whatever AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ON A BUN!!!

    Don't use STEAK SAUCE as it is LOADED with Sugars.....use WORCESTERSHIRE or perhaps like I do....pour a bit of Black or White Truffle Oil on your Steak, Fish or Pork or Lamb.

    Eat a salad of FIELD GREENS or ROMAINE.....use only Olive Oil and Vinegar for field greens....and just Field Greens, Green Pepper Slices and not alot, Cucumber Slices and NO TOMATO.

    Ceasar Salad is fine but only eat Romaine with 6 Black Olives sliced thin into rings....NO CRUTONS......for dressing...place in Blender Raw Egg, Some Parmigiano-Reggiano Cheese grated....DO NOT USE KRAFT OR CHEAP PARM CHEESE AS IT IS LOADED WITH NITRATES AND SUGARS!!....1 Garlic Clove.....Course Fresh Ground Cracked Black Pepper out of Mill...as much as you want....bit of salt....and if you have it squeeze 1/2 Teaspoon of ANCHOVIE PASTE into blender.....blend and pour it EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL SLOWLY AS YOU BLEND IT INTO MAYO CONSISTANCY.

    Use what you need for Ceasar Salad.

    DO NOT DRINK ANY BEER!!!

    Drink either White Rum or Vodka with Tonic or Soda Water.....Lime or Lemon Twist OK.

    You MUST avoid fruits as much as possible for 3 days.

    NO PASTA OR BREAD FOR 3 DAYS!!

    NO FRUIT JUICES, BEER OR HEAVY DRINKING FOR 3 DAYS...AND NO WINE!!!

    Dinner.....again....PROTEIN....PROTEIN....PROTEIN!!!!

    Beef, Lamb, Chicken. Turkey, Pork, Lamb, Fish, Shellfish....REAL BUTTER IS FINE!!

    Have another Yogurt for a Night Snack.

    No second salad.

    Now what I have outlined if you do this for 3 to 4 days will PLACE YOUR BODY IN A STATE OF KETOSIS.

    When in Ketosis....and the ONLY way to get into this state is to eat almost ZERO CARBS unless they exist in DAIRY but Carbs from FRUCTOSE, SUCROSE, CANE SUGAR, CANDY......VERY BAD!!!

    Once in a state of Ketosis your ENERGY LEVEL WILL GO OFF THE CHART!!!

    This is because your body in a state of Ketosis will ONLY BURN THE CALORIES OF THIS DIET AND THE CALORIES OF HUMAN BODY FAT!!

    In this state a Human Being goes into a SUER ALERT MODE as your Body Metabolism TRIPLES if not QUADRUPLES!!!!

    Your CONCENTRATION will be so clear it will surprise the HELL out of you!!!

    Even eating the few slices of Green Pepper is not a good idea so don't as it has a lot of sugar in it.

    You will not feel lke eating because your body will have switched from taking in it's primary calories from Food Consumption to EATING THE FAT RIGHT OFF YOUR BODY as there is 3500 calories ina Pound of Fat thus 9 calories in a Gram of Fat.

    So once you obtain a state of Ketosis you must FORCE YOURSELF TO EAT as if you don't eat your body metabolism will slow down and you will burn less calories and lose less weight than if you did not eat.

    Now I don't know if you are skinny or need to loose weight but what I do know is that if you try this for 3 to 4 days YOUR MEMORY, ATTENTION SPAN AND CONCENTRATION LEVELS WILL SKYROCKET!!

    If you don't need to lose weight try this anyways but stop after 3 days and add in COMPLEX CARBS but no Fructose or Sucrose or Cane Sugars.

    As your attention and memory issues might just be a dietary issue and suppliments can deal with this.

    If this does not work....consult a Doctor as it might be many things.

    AboveAlpha
     
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