Is health care a responsibility of the government. or a personal responsibility?

Just show me in the constitution where it says specifically, the government has the power to take from me to give to you and your irresponsible behavior to work and plan for your life. Then you win. But you cannot, because you are telling something that isn't provable true. They were smart men, if they wanted the constitution to say something else, they would have written something else. So don't go by the truth, and then give feelings as FACTS.

 

10th and 9th amendments limit the government to ONLY the powers given to it by the constitution. It has NO OTHER POWERS.

You are fishing in nowhere land. As stated earlier, it is to PROMOTE the general welfare, NOT provide it.

 

I do not think it is the federal governments place to provide healthcare. BUT I have no problem with individual States creating their own systems for their citizens. Then people can decide to stay or leave depending on if they like it or not.

 

The problem with government providing people with too much "free stuff" is that the people who pay for that "free stuff" becomes a smaller percentage of people as the people receiving "free stuff" becomes a larger percentage.

I believe for that reason, Hillary Clinton was rejected and Trump elected. People wanted change from the politicians who just dole out free stuff. (And I do not wish to debate the popular vote)

 

Exactly. You have a choice. The left does not believe in choices, they believe in FORCE. FORCE and involuntary servitude are NOT FREEDOM.
A voluntary tax system would work just fine. A second option (not as palatable), would be if I am taxed in general, I can say where or not where my tax dollars can be used.
The left and liberals generally object to gun ownership. Why? Because then people have more "choices" and government cannot use FORCE to get them their way.

 

You mean like wanting to FORCE women to not have a choice regarding abortion?

You really think a voluntary tax system would work? In what world do you really think that would work? People don't like nor want to pay taxes, yet you think they'd pay them voluntarily?

 

Obviously taxes are a necessary evil of government. But our tax freedom day seems to come later in the year these days. I would like to see a reduction in personal income tax and more user fees imposed. That would make it more fair and people who want to pay less can abstain. (i.e. raising some of your own food supplies or taking a bike instead of using a car and paying gas taxes).

 

I dont agree with your taxation plan. It is just not realistic when combined with human greed. Taxation is a necessary evil and money will be used for things we do not all agree on. But keeping the decisions on what the money is used on closer to the voter does give us a measure of impute and control.

A fine example on how what is in the best interest of society (the ending of abortions) would be fought and ignored based on the wants of the individual. You cannot legislate morality and you cant convince people to pay taxes voluntarily. It is just not how a majority of people are made.

 

I guess I'm just a big fan of choice. I wouldn't have an abortion, but I believe people should have a choice. I don't smoke pot, but I believe it should be legal to allow people the choice. I'm not a gambler, but I believe it should be legal to allow people the choice. Hell, would never use a prostitute, but I believe that too should be legal to allow people the choice. No one should force what they think of as morality on others regarding the aforementioned subjects.

 

The government imposes taxes so that people like me can pay for politicians medical costs. But that's ok to you. The government also steals from people like me to pay welfare to the military industrial complex and to under write Israel's health care. Again, no squawk from you or others in the far right.

There is NOTHING in the Constitution which authorizes such welfare for the rich, for politicians, or for foreign tyrannies such as Israel.

 

Did your pals in the right give Iraq a choice as to whether they preferred Saddam or Bush's imperialistic invasion? Afghanistan? Vietnam?

What objection did you raise to all this imperialistic and terrorist force???

 

I am the same, I feel those battles should be fought in the home, Church, and communities. Government is a poor mechanism to promote morality.

 

Our Founding Fathers specifically demanded NO STANDING ARMY in times of peace which means they never approved of corporate welfare to the military industrial complex. Nor did they contemplate giving welfare to Israel or some other foreign power.

By contrast, they did write of promoting infrastructure growth, social welfare, free land, and free education [op cit].

 

General welfare is not corporate welfare.

 

Then lets outlaw professional lobbying. General welfare is infrastructure that helps all. Interstate highways are the big example, as well as antitrust legislation, and government oversight of medical research(to prevent WMD production and mass medical malpractice), borders, customs, national security, etc....

This is a whole other topic and the horse is long out of the barn, but in a perfect world, the feds would have no direct interaction with an individual unless they worked directly for the feds. Taxes should be levied on the states and based on the population of each state. The states could collect that however they see fit and risk mass exodus if they get too greedy or make poor tax law. A balanced budget amendment would be good also.

 

Not true arguably the Navy and Marines would be for the extension of our military power, and Privateers as well under Papers of Marque to deal with such threats such as our two wars with the Barbary Pirates with other European powers. The Militia was to be the Army and could go abroad IF the respective State Governors consented to call them up and place them under Federal control the check and balance of military power.

So there was a Military Complex in place just limited in practice to Naval forces and related forces the Marines and any Privateers issued proper papers. This could be deployed for foreign military deployment and war without much of a problem.

 

Why should the government be involved in personal retirement...SS?
Why in Medicare?
Why in public education?
Why in military veterans programs?
Why in unemployment benefits?
Why in food stamps?
Why in personal disability?
Why in protecting the environment?
Why not be involved in medical care?

 

I agree. Just why are they. They have no power given by the constitution for them to do any of this. Good Question. Simple answer. They have no legal power to pass laws to do that, with the exceptions of Schools under common law, and the military benefits are exactly that, benefits as a form of payment for services rendered, just like your civilian pensions.

 

Show me in the constitutional wording? That is all that counts. If they didn't write it in, then the majority of the framers didn't want it.

 

Show me in the constitutional wording? That is all that counts. If they didn't write it in, then the majority of the framers didn't want it.

 

I agree. Personal choice should be the freedom most cherished by the citizenry.

 

Is health care a responsibility of the government. or a personal responsibility?

The answer to this question has changed over time. There was a time when it made perfect sense to be a rugged individual and be totally responsible for oneself. But today we live in a society that is heavily interdependent on one another to even survive--and certainly to live well. Few of us grow our own food. Fewer still actually make our own clothes. Today, the majority of parents both work and hire babysitters to care for their children for most of the day. We are highly dependent on others for many of our daily needs. Almost no one is entirely self-sufficient or has the skills necessary to survive alone. I am among a growing number of Americans who feel access to health care should be a right provided through our government Medicare program. Most advanced countries around the world have it. Why shouldn't we?

 

It doesn't but it doesn't grant any extra rights like you said either. The government spends approximately 64% of it's budget on it's citizens. 3% Education, 8% Welfare, 25% pensions, 28% Health Care.

The other 34% of the budget is 1% Protection, 1% General Government, Transportation 2%,Misc. Spending 3%, Interest on the Debt 7%, Defense 21%.

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_detail

The sad part is that a good part of the waste and fraud is in health care, welfare and pensions.

 

I'm afraid your argument will be lost on many. A society that has been encouraged to own the best cars, houses, clothes etc. has no real priorities in life. I know when I was growing up I was taught that I needed Life insurance, Health insurance and a savings account. I was taught to live within my means.

 

Because most of us don't want to live in a society were we have to see people are dying outside hospital doors because they can't afford health care.