Is Jesus divine?

Sure. But, each of those paths is believed by its followers to be the one and only path.

 

And within those are many divisions. In Christianity alone, there are tens of thousands of denominations, with no two exactly alike in interpretation of the same book. It's reasonable to conclude then that belief isn't the key to the truth. It would appear to be more like self deceit. And God isn't in the collective. What is in the collective is chaos. But before and under the face of God, are we absolved by the chaos around us, or are we reconciled to the truth that God lives, and we are the recipients of his charity, in that we are spared and given to see?

 

I don't think he ever even claimed to be God. Other people claimed that about him later. There are some linguistic things here. both Hebrew and Greek had words for "god" that didn't necessarily mean "God." So far as I can tell, Greek speakers used the "god" (theos without a direct article) rather than the "God" (theos without a direct article) language for Jesus. Similarly, Hebrew describes several beings as being part of the "elohim" of gods. When Jesus is asked if he is claiming to be God, he immediately points out that, in the OT, several people were called gods, rather than just saying yes.

 

Really, why could it not have been invented?

 

The first question would actually be is there a god. Not that we know of.

Ignoring the first question for the sake of argument, if there were a god, and this god was omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent, why would this god need worship, why would this god need people to believe things without evidence, why would this god make humans imperfect and to ask them to go against their more powerful traits (reason) in order to believe ridiculous things to change ridiculous rules? Looking at all of this, one could easily conclude Christianity is completely ridiculous and if there were a god, that's not it.

Whether a charismatic guy named Jesus existed, or even if he was necromanced back to life after being executed - neither of these things really matter to answer whether Jesus was god or a facet of god. The self-contradictory nature of Christianity kills it before even digging into that.

 

At no point does the Bible say that Jesus is the one true God much less that people who don't believe Jesus is God will go to hell. Anyone who believes the Bible says Jesus is God is using eisegesis.

 

Do you believe Jesus is the one true God?

 

I don't mean the differences between Methodists, Episcopalians, and Catholics. I mean that there are differences among the Abrahamic faiths on issues such as the divinity of Jesus, how to attain heaven, what it takes for Jesus to reject someone who has accepted Jesus.

Yes, there is chaos. But, that must be faced by every human and the philosophies they have devised.

 

Scientists Just Discovered Something SHOCKING About The Shroud of Turin (youtube.com)

 

How about just telling us about this "shocking" discovery.

 

Nothing shocking. The Shroud is still a fake.

 

I believe that he's the Son of the one true God, whose mission was to satisfy the demands of the eternal laws broken by man by offering a perfect sacrifice.

 

That's cool, but do you believe that Jesus is the on true God?

 

I answered you already. There is God the Father and God the Son. They are two separate personages. But all that the Son does is to the glory of the Father, not to his own glory. He serves his Father even though they are both glorified beings. Any more than that, you'd have to ask them yourself.

 

No, you did not.

It's a yes or no question.

Do you believe that Jesus is the one true God?

I assume you're being coy because you don't want to alienate yourself from your buddies here? It is the question of the thread. I guess I can assume the answer is no.

I asked because you said "Jesus is divine." For many Christians this is code for Jesus is the one true God. So, if I went to a Trinitarian church, I would say Jesus is divine and they would take it to mean that Jesus is the one true God.

"There is God the Father and God the Son. They are two separate personages." This is also perfectly fine in the Trinitarian concept.

"But all that the Son does is to the glory of the Father, not to his own glory. He serves his Father even though they are both glorified beings."

Also perfectly fine in the Trinitarian concept. However, some would not like the wording of the second sentence.

"Jesus is divine to his own because he was conceived in a virgin by the spirit of God, overcame the world, conquered death, and set the stage for the salvation of mankind for the glory of his Father."

Also, perfectly fine in the Trinitarian concept.

However, Trinitarians believe Jesus is the one true God.

So, I'll just assume you're being coy and avoiding the question because the answer is no - unless you actually want to answer it.

 

You asked me if I think Jesus is the one true God. I said he is the Son of the one true God. If he is the Son of the one true God, then he can't be the one true God. He is the way to the Father. No one comes to the Father except by him. That is by accepting his sacrifice and gospel which is his Fathers gospel. He is our advocate whom the Father sent for our retrieval. If we are acceptable to Jesus Christ, then we are acceptable to his Father. In that regard, what is the difference between them? Nevertheless, he is the perfect Son of God the Father, and he paid the price for us. One cannot speak too well of him. So it seems disingenuous to speak of the Son without mention of the Father. So the question, "Is Jesus the one true God?" is divisive in nature, and contrary to all he taught and testified. So I said he is the Son of the one true God. When Jesus asked Peter who he thinks he is, Peter answered, "you are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."

 

I would agree with you here.

However, Trinitarians disagree with this. Most people who call themselves Christians believe

1. Jesus is the one true God.
2. The Father is the one true God.
3. The Holy Spirit is the one true God.

4. Jesus is the Son of the Father and is therefore not the Father.
5. The Father is not the Holy Spirit.
6. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.

I get the feeling you haven't been fully introduced to Trinitarian theology which is the Supermajority predominant belief among those who call themselves Christians.

For you it makes no sense and I understand. But you have to realize this is the predominant belief among Christians.

Yes, the question is meant to be divisive in nature. That is why the OP posted the question and said

He is stating he does not believe it should be divisive. However, many churches will break fellowship over this which means you wouldn't be allowed to be part of the church. They might allow you to visit but not participate. Go to a common Christian forum Terms and rules | Christian Forums. You must agree to the Nicene creed to post in the Christian section. And despite the wording that means they want you to be a Trinitarian.

I believe you are a Latter Day Saint - your religion is an offshoot of the Unitarians who were more popular in the U.S. at the time of John Smith. Jehovah's Witness is another offshoot. Both are I'll say peculiarly different from most of the other denominations outside of Catholicism. Most Christians don't even know there are churches outside of LDS and JW who are Unitarian. That is how rare it is.

Many Christians believe believing Jesus is the one true God is necessary for salvation. This is not a supermajority of 99% but I would say closer to 70%.

Most of your statements on this thread sound more Trinitarian than Unitarian and I don't think you realize that. That's why I was hoping to give you some background.

I apologize if you already knew all of this.

 

Yes, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It isn't another Bible based religion as are all the tens of thousands of differing denominations in traditional Christianity. It was instead uniquely founded by God thru Joseph Smith, and contains another testimony of Jesus Christ, called The Book of Mormon, as a companion to the Bible, in affirming Jesus Christs mission as the Messiah and only begotten Son of the living God. I am a convert not to the Church, it's doctrines or assertions. But to the spirit of God who awakened me to a remembrance of him, to know that he lives, and who showed me in a vision within the same instance as my awakening, that the LDS Missionaries are his servants. By this I know the Church is his.

I realize that's a lot to swallow, especially in light of the multitude of religious proclamations in the world. What can I say. It isn't like I reasoned my way to join such a peculiar religion. Neither was I seeking salvation or a major upheaval in my familiar life. And so I am caught. Sure, I can throw it away and deny the truth. But why would I do that, when my biggest fear has already become my greatest relief. I no longer hunger for solace in the philosophies of men. I am not called to teach, but to repent in preparation, because God is divine and his invitation has gone out.

 

You didn't look at the short video? Bob, if so, if you didn;t watch this short video... you are just flamebaiting

 

How about you tell us what the video says.

 

Believing something without reason is throwing away the greatest thing that separates us from other animals, our ability to reason.

 

pulse of energy thru the clothe the nuclear physicists who reproduced the energy on a micro scale say required the energy of running a city, the 1st century pollen specific to Judea and some specific to Jerusalem . Spend a few minutes watching the video and perhaps save yourself from an eternity in hell

 

These are the facts you have to overcome.

~ 33 AD Jesus dies.

1st century passes - no mention of the shroud.
2nd century passes - no mention of the shroud.
3rd century passes - no mention of the shroud.
4th century passes - no mention of the shroud.
5th century passes - no mention of the shroud.
6th century passes - no mention of the shroud.
7th century passes - no mention of the shroud.
8th century passes - no mention of the shroud.
9th century passes - no mention of the shroud.
10th century passes - no mention of the shroud.
11th century passes - no mention of the shroud.
12th century passes - no mention of the shroud.
13th century passes - no mention of the shroud.

Out of the blue in 1356 the shroud appears in the tiny fief of Geoffroi de Charny . . .

You can point to anonymous nuclear physicists all you'd like. The Shroud's a fake. It was known to be a fake in the 14th century. No denomination recognizes the shroud as authentic. The Roman Imperial Church considers it to be an Icon only.

Why is this so important to you?

 

There is more to life than reason. For instance, it's not reasonable that I could remember Gods spirit whom I've never known in this life to have forgotten him. And how does one forget God in the first place. There is no reason to it. But it is true. Otherwise I couldn't recognize and remember his spirit. He is different than we are. His ways are different. He is holy. We are not. We are bogged down in the natural world. He is not.

 

You appear to believe that you existed prior to being born into this world by your mother. If you are simply remembering god when you are having these revelations, then your belief is that you existed prior to being born in this world.

Is my inference correct?