Is Roe v. Wade at Risk???

How exactly do you know who I have and haven't heard of?

As you can see from the above conversation thread, you did NOT answer WHY you are calling them conservative. It's clear that you think it's simply because they were appointed by a Republican President.

Do you seriously think that it would be just as easy to get an illegal abortion in the US as it would be in Pakistan?

Any idea how that would be achieved?

 

The father, for one.

I wasn't arguing abortion, I'm actually 'pro-choice' as in I have no right to tell people what to do with their bodies. It's the idea that some people do not view the fact that a person who does not use birth control and gets pregnant as 'irresponsible'.

 

Do you know who those columnists are? Its obvious you call them "honest" just because they agree with your bias?

My answer to that question is on this thread. You can pretend its are not, but that only shows your lack of honesty.

Probably even easier. What would make it so hard?

Yes, and if it can be achieved in other places it can be done here too. Evangelicals preach abstinence-only approach, which is fine, and works for those who share those beliefs, but it does not work with the rest of the population. In the other hand a study shows (and actual results in other countries) sex-ed and access to no-cost birth control reduced unplanned pregnancies and abortions up to 78%. Actual figures in other countries prove the same.

So, anyone who is interested in reducing abortions would listen to this, but they don't care because for them it is a purely political issue and nothing else. They are not interested in actually reducing abortions, they are only using it to win evangelical votes, and as I said earlier, its likely that it would be very hard for them to win elections if they can't play the abortion card.

How it the situation handled in your country?

 

No, no overturning. But the SCOTUS may give the states more leeway as to the time period in which abortions are allowed or the circumstances. As a results of letting the states place limits on the time period, you'll probably end up with some states, for example, having no restrictions at all, unlimited abortion right up to the time of birth, while other states may place a no abortion ban, say in the last 3 months of the pregnancy. It will vary state to state.

Several years ago the morning after pill was big in the news. Is that pill still available? If it is, regardless what the SCOTUS rules, just get the pill and take it.

 

That was the whole point of my post. Your shot down some alleyway is inapplicable.

You are making an assumption that I am carrying the virus. You are making the assumption that I am contagious, and you are making the biggest assumption that I'm not wearing a mask. The argument was accepting the injection of an experimental drug, which some judge as 'irresponsible' if you don't get it, but I've yet to see a single person call getting pregnant because of the lack of birth control as irresponsible.

At no point have I said anything about the effects of pregnancy on a woman.

 

Who does murdering a one day old kid affect? I'll be STUNNED if you reply!

 

Abortion is not people doing something to their own body. When was the last time a woman performed an abortion on herself?

 

No, it isn't a "maybe" but even if it was is it really so hard to wear a mask, WHICH DOES NOT USE YOUR BODY TO SUSTAIN IT'S LIFE, so that others may be safe?

YES, that's why people should wear masks ..because some people are carrying the virus, are contagious...we have to make that assumption to stay safe!

So if you deem someone else as "irresponsible" you feel you can be, too???

 

They are allowing a procedure. They make the choice to do so.

What an absurd comparison. Are people giving themselves the injection for the COVID Vaccine? No, they are permitting to have it done. They made a choice.

 

MJ Davies said: ↑
Who does an abortion effect other than the woman carrying the fetus?

Why couldn't you answer the question?

 

Now you seem to be being deliberately obtuse...

 

Your response is disingenuous at best, and disregarding what I posted at best.

YOU have decided that I do not wear a mask. YOU have decided that I am irresponsible. I don't have the right to make other people's choices for them, but apparently YOU do believe that you have that right.

 

And you want those you deem "irresponsible" people to raise children?????


The father may be affected but he has no say. He is not the pregnant one.

 

Yes, its like blaming the barber for cutting your hair as if you had nothing to do with it (except that you walked in and asked for her to cut your hair).

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, it isn't a "maybe" but even if it was is it really so hard to wear a mask, WHICH DOES NOT USE YOUR BODY TO SUSTAIN IT'S LIFE, so that others may be safe?

YES, that's why people should wear masks ..because some people are carrying the virus, are contagious...we have to make that assumption to stay safe!

So if you deem someone else as "irresponsible" you feel you can be, too???

I never mentioned YOU specifically...and , get this, it isn't all about YOU.

There are other people in the world....not just YOU.

 

So do you, or do you not, deem someone who chooses to have unprotected sex, as irresponsible if they have an unwanted pregnancy?

And where did I say they shouldn't have an abortion? Or there is always adoption, if they choose to carry.

Your argument needs CPR.

 

Do let me know who else was involved in our exchange. The word 'you', unless specified otherwise, means the person you are conversing with. English language and all that.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
And you want those you deem "irresponsible" people to raise children?????

No more irresponsible than those who won't wear masks...

And I think it's very responsible to end a pregnancy when one can't afford, or don't want , a kid.

IF THEY CHOOSE.....good point.

You don't seem to have one...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, it isn't a "maybe" but even if it was is it really so hard to wear a mask, WHICH DOES NOT USE YOUR BODY TO SUSTAIN IT'S LIFE, so that others may be safe?

YES, that's why people should wear masks ..because some people are carrying the virus, are contagious...we have to make that assumption to stay safe!

So if you deem someone else as "irresponsible" you feel you can be, too???


I never mentioned YOU specifically...and , get this, it isn't all about YOU.

There are other people in the world....not just YOU.

LOL, I clarified it in the post you quoted(English language and all that ) BUT it was good way to dodge my question and NOT address my post

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I don't agree especially with your "many Americans".....

Some women don't even know they're pregnant at 15 weeks..

Some rape victims may be so injured and/or traumatized that they can't make a decision that soon...

But compassion and respect for "precious lives" ( women's) were never big with Anti-Choicers.

"Late term" is AFTER viability (23 weeks) NOT 15 weeks.

Some women don't even know they're pregnant at 15 weeks..

Some rape victims may be so injured and/or traumatized that they can't make a decision that soon...

But compassion and respect for "precious lives" ( women's) were never big with Anti-Choicers.

Uh, what "reality" is that ???

 

And if the COVID vaccine was banned, would that be denying people from doing something to their own body?

 

So if barbers were banned, that would be taking away people's right to their body?

 

It hasn't changed since post #1 from me. If those who deem not getting a the vaccine as irresponsible, then they should be deeming those who have unprotected sex and have an unwanted pregnancy as the same level in the irresponsibility category.

You seemed to have taken the scenic route to get there, but at least you indicated you are somewhere within the subject. Congratulations!

 

No more so than anything else one is determined to do to their body. They make a choice, and see it through, legal or not. After all, until recently, most hard drugs were illegal for recreational use, but that certainly stopped no one. I'm sure for those who wanted it, the COVID experimental vaccine could be had on the street corner.

I wouldn't want to see abortion banned. There are too many reasons why it should remain legal, even though there are some who treat it as their method of BC. But bottom line, it is their choice. Just as any action with one's body should be.

 

You did not clarify it at all. You continue to attempt to paint something as being my position, when it isn't, which I have previously stated.

Gee, what is that called? Something straw......