Is Roe v. Wade at Risk???

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  1. Junkieturtle

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    You're confusing conservative with evangelical. There is no requirement that you be pro-life to be conservative.
     
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    Quite firmly, actually.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    But doesn't that mean you hate the child you are murdering?
     
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    For me it's a practical question. I do not like the idea of governments deciding when life begins, and so I'm sympathetic to the abortion opponents' argument to some extent. But unwanted pregnancies are undeniably disruptive, so it is reasonable for women to have recourse to ending them. Therefore I opt for the practical solution: different states should decide what to do through their own elected legislatures.
     
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    Of what? I don't hate religious people, they just should be forbidden from expressing their religion in an organized way in this country. I think that's an inescapable conclusion from the First Amendment. People should be free to express their religion in any way they please, but I think it obvious that once you organize that expression it inescapably and inherently limits the religious freedom of others. There especially shouldn't be any laws with a religious basis either.
     
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    "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the prosecution rests."
     
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    I don't understand. Wouldn't it be more practical for the government to just take no opinion in the matter of when life begins at all?
     
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    You and Rudy, what a pair.:p
     
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    Libertarians almost have to never be pro-life, though some manage.
     
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    Which is a mistake. They want to enslave women by taking away their right to their bodily autonomy, EXACTLY what a slave is..
     
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    And slavery represented progress for tribes that had previously slaughtered all prisoners.
     
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    That is a choice in the US, and will remain a choice.
     
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    Let's hope….I doubt 51 % of the population wants to become slaves..
     
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    I doubt that many Americans will object to requiring women to make their choice - fast.
     
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    Why should I be expected to show compassion for criminals just because I oppose abortion rights? How are they remotely related?
     
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    I doubt 51% of the population (you mean women right) considers not allowing elective abortion to be "slavery".
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Let's hope….I doubt 51 % of the population wants to become slaves..



    I did NOT say that.....read what I wrote , use my words not your imagination...

    Try again, "I doubt 51 % of the population wants to become slaves..""

    It does not matter what they "consider" , it 's what it will be..
     
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    I don't agree especially with your "many Americans".....

    Some women don't even know they're pregnant at 15 weeks..

    Some rape victims may be so injured and/or traumatized that they can't make a decision that soon...

    But compassion and respect for "precious lives" ( women's) were never big with Anti-Choicers.
     
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    Without a view of when life begins there is no means to exclude the charge of murder.
     
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    Your own words convicted you. You made my point.
    Btw, I voted for Biden and I think Rudy is a fool.
     
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    You say it's a mistake. They say it's the heart of the matter. That's why there can be no comprehensive national verdict.
     
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    There has been.
     
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    No. There was an unwise attempt to impose a verdict without political support. That is the source of decades of political poison.
     
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    Nope, a person becomes a legal person at birth...no matter when "life begins"".

    There is NO consensus as to when life begins and no laws should be based based on "we don't know"...
     
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    YUP, there was a "national verdict " with RvW and EVERY opinion poll since then showing the majority of Americans want abortion to be legal...


    The Supreme Court shouldn't need "political" support to rule on an issue...

    The ONLLY "POISON" came from the Anti-Choice/Anti-Woman side...
     
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