Israel smears Europe as “fostering hate and racist trends”

My post was deleted whereby I attempted to point out that Jack Napier has made numerous comments about being a National Socialist on Vanguard and his hating Jews is consistent with his political beliefs. I was told this was off topic. I believe it is directly on topic and helps prove that his comments are anti semitic because he has a National Socialist doctrine and agenda to advance on Jews in this thread as reflected by the comments he has stated.

I am trying very hard to make this a comment about his opinions and I hope this is not censored again by moderators because I believe it is important we put this out so that readers can find out for themselves what his real agenda is and what his actual political beliefs about Jews are.

I believe this thread is no longer about the original topic and has been allowed to stray far away from its premises and yet I was censored before for being off topic by trying to point out the hatred expressed in his comments on this thread have nothing to do with circumcision.

I state it again, I believe Jack Napier's words indicate a continuing act of negatively stereotyping all Jews and inciting hatred with all Jews first using the pretense of circumcision then straying off topic to other allegations that have nothing to do with circumcision such as suggesting all Jews are pedophiles.

It is my legal opinion as a Canadian lawyer that the words expressed in this thread by Jack have gone so far as to constitute hate crimes in Canada.

 

Are you for real?

Yes my "people".

He made the blood distinction REMEMBER, only he made it like a Jewish racist.

Stop defending racism when it comes from Jews.

It is way past the point of sad, and into the realms of race hate against the non Jew.

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Not about me.

Reported.

 

Too bad the internet isn't Canada then, is it mr "lawyer".

Now get back to topic.

 

You would be surprised at the level of understanding, problem resolution and respect two apposing sides and groups or people will have for one another after one or the other takes the first steps to say..."Hey!....I have this issue with you and if it is OK I would like to try to resolve it for both our benefits."

AboveAlpha

 

OK....since I am considered an EXPERT in Problem Solving and Conflict Resolution....I will tell you where you are going wrong in trying to deal with Jack....what you are doing wrong is you are DEALING WITH HIM....rather than taking honest steps to engage him and first find out the reasons why he believes what he believes.

After this and garnishing such data it becomes much easier for two opposing parties to come to a resolution.

I will offer up this example and this experience of mine as my experiences in such things cover over 3 decades and are vast.

About 10 years ago....My Team and I were sent to deal with a Group based in Africa that was being paid to do things that I will call....Things that we did not want to be done.

Before my Team and I are sent to Solve the Problem....the other Group or Party is first informed and I can not explain how this is done but it is done in a manner so that they will know with 100% Certainty that WE ARE COMING.

Now....every analyst and every other Yahoo involved in support of my going was screaming....NOT A GOOD IDEA!!!! YOU SHOULD NOT GO!!!! THIS GROUP IS TELLING EVERYONE WHEN YOU ARRIVE THEY WILL CUT OFF YOUR ARMS AND LEGS AND DRAG YOU THROUGH THE STREETS BY YOUR NECKS!!!

Now I don't have to accept a JOB if I don't want it as this is one of my HARD EARNED PERKS....but knowing the stakes of what was involved in this one I decided to take it.

Here is how this applies to your and Jacks situation.

The other Group was thumping their chests and beating the drums of war and the people on my end....Not me or my Team....were saying...F#@% THIS....let's just call in an Air Strike and be done with the whole matter....and either way these two groups were talking or thinking or planning if it went down either way....NEITHER WOULD THE PROBLEM BE SOLVED AND WHO EVER DIED ON EITHER SIDE WOULD MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE!!!!

So....I had a plan and I decided to go....I had some help with research and I found out where the Mothers and Family Members of each of the Senior Members of this group lived and even though we told them we would meet them at a designated place...which I am certain would have become a nasty Meat Grinder......WE WENT WITH GIFTS OF FOOD, MEDICINE, MOSQUITO NETS FOR SLEEPING AND WATER SANITIZING TABLETS and showed up like Ghosts upon the door steps...or rather woven Hut Mats of this groups Family Village.

When that group was sent a message where we were they FREAKED OUT!!! They came as fast as they could and this was a great distance....and when they got there at night....I and my Team were sitting around a Fire where we were roasting a large Pig that I had dropped in for the occasion....and as My Team and I sat next to these Senior Group Leaders Mothers, Son's, Daughters and Wives....Eating, Drinking, Laughing....and the Mothers saw their children with AK's and yelled at them.....PUT THOSE AWAY AND COME HAVE SOME FOOD!!!!

Common Ground....we are all People and all People share the same hopes and dreams....come to understand this is not only true of yourself but as well for JACK.....and you might even become friends.

AboveAlpha

 

Read the rules and you will find there are ways to address them though I confess I did similar to you when I first came upon the situation giving links to sites where a certain person was sitting with an SS aviator and even questioning whether Jews were another race to other human beings!

I was watching Steven Fry, a Jew and a homosexual last night. He is involved in a documentary on hatred of homosexuals around the world including the hanging of such in Iran, (though I have also heard there that the usual consequence is an enforced sex change operation), the intent by Christians to bring in a death sentence for it in Uganda and the work by some Christians in the US to recreate it as an illness to be cured.

Near the beginning he said that nowadays people often complain about people complaining about hate speech, going on about it being PC and so on but, and as the documentary showed, failure to nip that in the bud and allow as haters try to spread the hatred and encourage it to gain support which then can lead to the loss of freedoms of the hated group and even to their death and so it is he said, well worth complaining early. I think some things on this site would lead to prosecutions under hate laws in the UK too or certainly when I first came I thought that. Repetitive reading can make one immune to noticing this, which again is the danger suggested by Fry.

At the same time I notice that it is not just Jews who are subject to this racist hatred, stereotyping them all in the grossest way. At times we see that done to Muslims and even to Palestinians and at times we have seen that done to people simply critical of Israel though at the current time there is no question there is an avalanche attempt to demunanise all Jews with all the classical time honoured canards going with it, always mentioning of course the one or two nice ones which racists always use as their excuse whoever is the vent of their hatred. Steven Fry of course would have no chance against NS because not only is he a Jew but a homosexual and neither are acceptable to them....though not all Jew haters are NS.

What works against these hatreds and their consequences is Universality of rights.

I would also say Yetzerhara that Israel has created an opening for such racism by her own actions in not providing equal rights for all her people and by creating a straight jacked on what it apparently is to be a Jew. Her declaring she speaks for World Jewry and so on. While most educated people take care to be aware of the difference, because Israel herself declares she speaks for all Jews, it makes it easier for the haters to find a lever and can sometimes lead to people whose general personality is not one of stereotyping hatred getting hooked.

and I will say again, we also must not forget that there are people who choose to do the same with all Muslims and with Palestinians, bar the one or two good ones of course.

I felt very like you when I first came back here a year or so ago and that is why I am replying to you. I have recently frequently found posts so obscene it puts me off posting though my general health at the moment is limiting that anyway

 

I hear you, to make that work you need an interst from both sides to begin with, that's not the case because its not what Anti-semites WANT but their way of thinking that bothers other ppl, the HATE itself to be exact, ppl dont want their innocent children to grow up in any kind of hateful enviroment be it Jewish hate, Muslim hate or Racist hate - so it doesnt apply IMO,

The haters already know its not an acceptable part of society, they know most normal ppl will turn around when they start preaching, they know they will be scorned by most ppl but they still do that because it defines them, its a "quest", and in that "quest" they are prepared to confront reason - Jewish lies, Hasbara, a way to extort sympathy and money etc' etc', so its really futile to apply for reason.

I actually tried to seperate the "politics" from the man and find common grounds as you say, I admit that as a person, the hater sounds reasonable and normal, I was compleatly open and answered all questions to the best of my knowledge, Im Human after all as are my ppl, our mistakes are human, our fears, jokes, so why not share it ? guess what, in one or two days the same person posted something about how defective Jews are on genetic level, they are simply sick and distorted in their genetics. that's your cotumer.

 

Discuss the subject please

 

What about your country and it's hate of non Jews?

 

You mean what about ppl in Israel that hate non Jews, I dont want my kids to grow up next to them either, but I must say I NEVER encountered such orgenzied hate as I did here, when you talk to a hater in Israel you can usually find a way in which he will accept living next to Arabs, the issue is mistrust, but here the hate is on every level down to genetics, its insane.

 

Anyway, in an attempt to take the chat away from me, homosexuals, avatars and Stephen bleeding Fry, Israel are the last state in the World that should point their finger at anyone else and accuse them of
“fostering hate and racist trends”.

They should look WITHIN at their own hate of non Jews as policy for example.

The only people in my country that show support of Israel are Jews like Melanie Phillips, the EDL, and other such groups.

I blame the Israeli Jew less than the non Israeli non Jew who has spent say, thirty years giving them their "unconditional support".

While I may not like a thing the Israeli Jew does, I guess he is born into it There is a bit of leverage for that. Not so for the non Jew outwith Israel that lends them "unconditional support" for 30yrs. This support would mean they are complicit in all the crimes Israel have done, and would leave such a person looking like a hypocrite were they to then re-invent themselves as "anti Zionist".

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Really?

Well one million of your people turned out to pay homage to a man that called my people donkey's.

But that must be fine with the "anti Zionist".

As long as it's not Jews on the receiving end of such filth it is fine.

 

I have raised a hand against no man for his race or religion.

Ever.

So people can take their sanctimonious recreation of themselves as "anti Zionist", their 30yr "unconditional support for Israel", their hypocritical posturing, and get back to me when I do...


Cheers





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You still have to try.

AboveAlpha

 

Fostering hate?

Nah.

Of course it cannot be so...


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I wonder if Jasper Carrot or Johnny Vegas have any views on this...




Israeli settlers storm al-Aqsa Mosque



Dozens of extremist Israeli settlers have stormed the al-Aqsa Mosque in East al-Quds (Jerusalem) under army protection and raised Israel flag inside the mosque, which is the third holiest site in Islam, reports say.


Local media reported that a group of settlers raised an Israeli flag while touring the mosque’s compound on Monday.

Reports also said that after the incident, Israeli police closed Magharbe Gate that leads to al-Aqsa Mosque compound for visitors.

Police forces are also said to have removed the settlers from the area.

The latest incident comes after a similar event on September 18, when Israeli forces stormed the mosque compound, firing tear gas at Palestinian worshippers. Clashes reportedly broke out between the Israeli troops and the Palestinians after they attempted to prevent the worshippers, including women and children, from entering the mosque.

In another similar incident earlier in September, the Israeli military used stun grenades to disperse Palestinian protesters inside the al-Aqsa compound after Friday Prayers, arresting 15 of them.

The al-Aqsa compound, which lies in the Israeli-occupied Old City of al-Quds, is a flashpoint. The compound, known to Jews as the Temple Mount, is the holiest site in Judaism. It is Islam’s third-holiest site after Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/10/14/329324/israeli-settlers-storm-alaqsa-mosque/

 

They call all non haredim "donkey's" including and MAINLY Israelis because in their view the way to live is to worship God and live according to the Torah, no work, no aspirations, not doing anything that isnt approved in writing by their Rabbi, and they see all others as "sinners" that exist to maintain them,

That is the main resent Israelis have (including other religous non Haredim Israelis) on Haredim,you may of heard on the intent to darft them and include them in the "work cycle".


The term "Donkey" comes from the Messiah, according to the story the messiah will ride a white donkey, its used in alegory that the Haredim ride the seculars the way the messiah rides the donkey, in that alegory they are considered what is "holy" and incoeperal/non material - as they persue the divine, and the seculars are the material set to assist the "holy", both will be accepted in haven.

If you ask me it was invented so the Haredim will excuse their live way that's basically prevents them from enjoying life and to excuse the existance of the seculars that live all around them and do enjoy life.

All religous ppl be it Muslims or Christians think they will be awarded in the next life and regard others as sinners, the Salafies and other extremes will not only be racist to you but will seek to convert you yet I never heard you say a word about that...., these Haredim will see themselves better then you no question, but at least in their eyes you can continue to live "live in sin".

As for the funeral, it was more half a Million then 850,000 which was the number his follwers gave, I think all his followers came + others live Etheopean religous Jews since that was the Rabbi that "fought" to bring them to Israel in the first place and other Haredim that respected the man knowledge in the Torah.

 

There is a Masque on the Temple mount, its not the Masque mount....

If Muslims have a problem that ppl come to the compound with Israeli flags then its a Muslim problem not Jewish and not Israeli.....how shall I put it gently.........screw them ?

 

You have to 'cause you get paid for that , I can choose to keep away from them, that's why we built a state in the first place, I only pity on the Jews that live abroad and have to meet such ppl on trains etc'..., I can understand their frustration, if it gets too hot they will always have a home, we need to settle the Negev anyways...

 

They could always move, if they feel so threatened.

The fact is they do not.

Because it's all in the mind.

 

From the podium of the U.N. General Assembly, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seamlessly blended frightening details of Iranian evildoing with images of defenseless Jews “bludgeoned” and “left for dead” by anti-Semites in nineteenth century Europe.

Aimed at U.S. and Iranian moves towards diplomacy and a war-weary American public, Netanyahu’s gloomy tirade threatened to cast him as a desperate, diminished figure. Though it was poorly received in the U.S., alienating even a few of his stalwart pro-Israel allies, his jeremiad served a greater purpose, deflecting attention from his country’s policies towards the group he scarcely mentioned: the Palestinians..


Now the country’s top official, Netanyahu has updated the smokescreen strategy. While the prime minister ranted against Iran in New York City and in a meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office, his government was preparing to implement the Prawer Plan, a blueprint for the expulsion of 40,000 indigenous Bedouin citizens of Israel from their ancestral Negev Desert communities that promised to “concentrate” them in state-run, reservation-style townships. Authored by Netanyahu’s planning policy chief, Ehud Prawer, and passed by a majority of the members of the mainstream Israeli political parties in the Knesset, the Prawer Plan is only one element of the government’s emerging program to dominate all space and the lives of all people between the river (the Jordan) and the sea (the Mediterranean).

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/democracy-national-nightmare.html

 

Here is a wiki link to the topic, you can see its mostly used between Israeli Haredim and Israeli seculars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Messiah's_Donkey

 

On 24 June 2013, the Israeli Knesset approved the discriminatory Prawer-Begin Bill, with 43 votes for and 40 votes against, for the mass expulsion of the Arab Bedouin community in the Naqab (Negev) desert in the south of Israel. If fully implemented, the Prawer-Begin Plan will result in the destruction of 35 "unrecognized"Arab Bedouin villages, the forced displacement of up to 70,000 Arab Bedouin citizens of Israel, and the dispossession of their historical lands in the Naqab. Despite the Arab Bedouin community's complete rejection of the plan and strong disapproval from the international community and human rights groups, the Prawer Plan is happening now.


http://adalah.org/eng/?mod=articles&ID=1589

 

As a european I've seen Israel bomb EU aid to Palestinians. Board the ship to gaza on international waters.
Harass palestinians (as part of a political/religious agenda) and take the lives of very many innocent.
So I don't really care how Israel smears Europe.

 

It should have happend 50 years ago....

They are not homeless, all 70,000 Beduween already have one or two homes in the Negev towns, they are not allowed to set encampments where they please, they live in a state now and the state irrigates and settles the desert.

 

Remind me never to move to Canada, the free speech in our U.S first amendment makes me cheer every day. At least we still have it. If we're going to talk about hate crimes, then your insulation that Jack adheres to "National Socialism" or "biogtry"(without any proof of these claims) is an attack on Jack's character.