Israel smears Europe as “fostering hate and racist trends”

Dear Karma Mechanics, there may have been times and ages, in which the circumcision of boys did have more reasons than to secure control of religious leaders over little boys. These times are over in societies with access to water and electricity. Sadism may be a hard term, but it is definitely a control issue.

Why should European societies agree to allow people a violation of their children. Because their desert God is hungry for male foreskins?

 

First of all your "deserst God" comment is exactly the point in "fostering hate", secondly, the practice is thousands of years old and if it was a traumatic as some ppl are led to belive then it would have stopped, pure and simple, nearly no child complaint about it as it changes nothing, you have many circumcised ppl right here in this forum and no one complaint, who would circumcise his son if it was that traumatic and the penis would lost sensativity as some ppl say? no one!

Fact is, not hugging your children enough hurts them much more than circumcision so the "emotional trauma" is a populist crap..., its amusing that those that care soooo much for Jewish children - hate them so much as they grow older , in short, pull the other one

 

Yes.. circumcision is thousands of years old.. The ancient Egyptian priestly caste practiced it.

 

Origin is less important as its a vital practice in Judasim, my point is I never heard of thousands of ppl complaining about it as should have been (at the very least) if 30% of the males in the world are circumcised for the course of thousands of years.

 

Its of no importance to me either way.

But it is important to Muslims and Jews.

 

You probably do not look. Here is the English Daily Telegraph discussing it almost three years ago

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/j...li-ayatollahs-is-a-godsend-for-anti-zionists/

and no they are not alone. It is a subject for discussion. Israeli soldiers themselves complained about religious interference of this kind in Cast Lead. Israeli's themselves have been on protests about it. The current growing racism in Israel is continually being articulated in articles at JFJFP from multiple sources. Yes, it is an issue but the point is what is the motivation. If the motivation is just to try and label it on all Jews then it is just the same as those who would label the worst extremism on all Muslims and indeed no better than RABBI Ovadia Yosef. The context within which one addresses this makes it into two completely different discussions. When motivation creates a hate context against a complete group of people, stereotyping them as all being this way in order presumably to harm them in some way, it is completely different from looking at it within the context of the ME. That is how I see it presented by certain people on this forum. I have no more love of the racism of those who hate Jews than of fanatical Jewish Rabbi's. Once the issue has moved into stereotyping all Jews, then discussion of the issues concerning it in Israel becomes impossible because we have just moved into ethnic/race hate discussion, one which generally is only done in sites which are set up for exactly that.

Not hidden at all. If you want to find things out you need to study them and see their complexities. They are not saying it in the way you want because their motivation is different. Hence we find the EU directive concerning West Bank Settlements.

It stretches imagination to think so much information is available in the UK and not in Germany. My only guess is that you are not interested in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and so have not perused it.

It is usual on someone's death to not choose that time to degrade them though as you can see the Jerusalem post gave an honest account. It is also as you refuse to see much more complex. He did not like anyone who did not think his way. You using 'goyim' and wanting that spread across all German papers sound as if you are wanting incitement to ethnic hatred - wanting all German's to believe that is what Israeli's/Jews in general think.

If you have problems with German papers then obviously the best place to address that is with the papers.

 

Prove the assertion that it is about control.

 

That may be true for Jewish haters, like this racist Ovadia Yosef, they are not degraded by other Jews.

But Zionists will find a living corps and sue him for his past, like it was the case with John Demjanjuk, who was just an ordinary guy without any ideology.

He never held any hate speeches, like Ovadia Yosef, but he was still found guilty.

I have deliberately put "German" papers in quotation marks, dude.

 

The simple fact is this.

He was a Jewish racial supremacist. Not fringe. Not with a couple of followers.

Did a million Jews have to turn out for his funeral? No. Of course not. They chose to do that. When Thatcher died(not that she ever said anything like this), I did not feel a compulsion to get on the streets and mourn her. I could not stand her for what she represented. Therefore, it would make no logical reason for me to have gotten out on the street and to have mourned her, would it? 'Course not. With that being said, I wasn't sick enough to get out there and trash her funeral day either, as some did. Instead I simply turned my back on it.

But as you are well aware, a Jew is allowed to be racist against non Jews, and Jews are allowed to publicly support a racist Jew. Indeed, to them, it is not "racism", but merely an extension of their daily life.

 

I see.

So we should just sort of forget his anti gentile rants and focus on the "good stuff".

Got it.

 

It is a Western Standard. You were talking about German papers and I pointed out that the time of a person's death/funeral tends not to be the time when people degrade the person. But what are you talking about. You are suggesting that 'Jewish haters' do not degrade someone on their death.....hmmmmm I provided you with three Israeli sources all of which were critical of the man.

Never followed the man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk. Why use the word Zionists? This I take it is simply another justification for your hatred of Jews. The US goes in several years after an event and kills someone without trial in a foreign country.

Like I said, I see nothing in this than another reason to excuse hatred of Jews whatever name you want to call them.

I have no idea whether he ever gave hate speeches. I do not know him but he was tried in Germany not Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk

You believe, if the verdict was correct, that being an accessory to the murder of 27,000 people is less criminal than hate speech. Very interesting. I am not in favour of either.

So?

 

Simple.

Because he is a Jewish racist, and that's allowed.

Excuses must be made for the Jewish racist.

 

Well said.

Incidentally, the severed foreskins of defenceless children are huge business in the US.

Yup, in the final act of twisted sickness, they have actually turned them into "anti ageing creams".

Little wonder that circumcision was an election issue in NYC, eh?


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The humble foreskin has long been the source of much controversy and continues today particularly in North America to generate even more unbelievable controversy.

The most disturbing and alarming is in the unethical trafficking of neonate foreskins. Not only do parents of North American baby boys have to pay between $200 to $300 to obstetricians to circumcise their boys that no sooner are the circumcised foreskins cut off that they are sold on to bio-engineering and cosmetics companies by the hospitals.

The numbers of dollars involved are bewilderingly staggering, and this financial force is one which is providing the funds to continue the spread of medical propaganda advocating circumcision.

The resale value of neonate foreskins is astronomically dizzying in that from one boy’s foreskin can be grown bio-engineered skin in a lab to the size of a football field. That’s 4 acres of new skin or around 200,000 units of manufactured skin, which is enough skin to cover about 250 people and sells at $3,000 a square foot.


Considering that there are 1.25 million neonate foreskins circumcised each year in the U.S alone this translates to one of the most lucrative trades, if not THE most lucrative trade in human body parts ever in the history of humanity.


http://www.thecaseagainstcircumcision.com/index.php?topic=314.0;wap2

 

Female genital mutilation is thousands of years old. Very few speak against it. Conclusion? "It must be fine".

 

Holy spam ...

1. I mentioned the desert God as I am not religious, it is by the way the same God that Christians and Muslims are praying to and I would use the same term to describe this God. If the Jews have a problem with that, they can make some blasphemy-laws against that and try to purge their societies from less religious, agnostic or atheist people. I grow sick and tired how political correctness brings back mid age times in Europe not to hurt the feelings of fanatic religous Muslims and Jews, who feel hurt by a term like desert God.
2. The fact that a tradition is thousands of years old is a great argument. For genital multilation, for cannibalism or maybe we will find some Indios in Brasil who still practized human scarifices since thousands of years. Should I add, I dont give a ...???
3. A great argument, people who had the cut as a child would never do this to their own children, if it was painful. That is the reason why people who were beaten up and experienced violence as a child would never do that to their own children. Oh and for the protocol, maybe some of the users dont think the state of their penis to be a proper topic for a political forum.
4. The argument that you can do worse things to children is another good point. Any pedophile can use a horror family to justify his perversion with the argument, "you can do worse than me". Godd point.
5. I am not in love with the Jews and I never claimed to be at this forum. There are simply acts I dont want our society to tolerate.

This isnt something I can prove. Genital multilation is an archaic ritual to reduce pleasure from sexual experience as well as to put children in their proper place the tribe/religion wants them to have and to force them into what quthorities wants them to be. You dont have to believe me.

 

Israel smears Europe as “fostering hate and racist trends” ...

And yet.....


[video=youtube;dPxv4Aff3IA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dPxv4Aff3IA[/video]

 

This video should remind us all that racism and hatred toward "others" is ugly, brutish, abusive, insensitive, selfish, and ignorant.

Thanks for posting it and thanks for the reminder to us all.

 

No worries.

I hope you see why I may take offence when Israel dares try to lecture Europe on something trivial in comparison to this frankly raw display of pure racism and true hate.

 

their point is that circumcision is not "trivial". It is a religious rite that has endured for thousands of years. At least jews and muslims should be given an exemption.

Every nation, every ethnicity, every religion has its fair share of bigots and hate mongers. Unfortunately it comes with the "territory" of humanity.

 

Also, what we can see is that the pure and real racism(that is coming from all those Jews), is not some random fringe thing, indeed, it is merely an extension of the position of the Gov and others in their political and rabbinical elite. No doubt there. One need only listen and watch the vid to see that. Indeed, Netenyahu himself chose to use the word "infiltrators", which is clearly meant as inflammatory.

I would wager then that a good number of the racist Jews we saw in that vid, were also part of the procession to pay homage to the sort of Grand Master Of Racist Jews, unless I am expected to believe it's two lots of different racist Jews.

And no matter how you cut it, the old rabbi was a racial Jewish supremacist, his views are well known, his words are recorded, and there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that if a high member of the RC Church or the Protestant church had said what he said, but reversed, they would be out of a job and disassociated with, by the next day. Not the Rabbi.

And had a man said what he said, only about Jews, passed away, and the streets been like this to pay tribute, then there is no doubt AT ALL, that the sheer volume of the seethe from Jews would be felt the World over.

[video=youtube;aZez9fVlr9E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=aZez9fVlr9E[/video]

 

But Europe is not a Jewish continent. That is why they have their own state, at great expense to many others as we know. We don't allow many weird religious practices here. It's the way we roll, we don't care for such ancient and nasty things to be done to babies. That's OUR culture. Thus if Jews or anyone else want to live in Europe, they must abide by the laws and the will of the majority who are not Jewish or Muslim. No special favours. I don't see it as "fostering hate", but a dialogue that must be had, so that this nasty little practice can end, thanks v much. Their laws do not ace our laws and culture. End of. If Muslims and Jews do not like that, and feel that Jewish or Sharia law suits them more, the good news is that there are so many places they can go (back to), in which it will be no problem at all.

 

Maybe because it happened so early in life that they don't remember. Watching the video of that procedure Jack posted made me shutter. They did THAT to me?
It made me sexually dysfunctional for a few days thinking about it, questioning if the loss of foreskin was really why I couldn't feel the kind of orgasmic pleasure shown by women in videos.

In the end, I don't wanna go through the hassle to restore the foreskin, but I sure am hell would think long and hard before deciding on circumcision for my son. If it really is important to his sexual vibration and health, then I won't take that away from him. I'm obligated as a father to protect my child.

 

It's a no brainer my man.

Unless you are a Jew or a Muslim, and they only do it out of some weird old phallic ritual, there is simply no reason to mutilate a child. Of course those with a vested in the status quo will present false arguments in support of it, that goes without saying. But the fact of the matter is that the very arguments they make for it, and almost identical to the arguments that people make to have their girl children mutilated. A foreskin is not some sort of defect. It evolved for a reason. And that reason was not to mutilate and remove it. People never admit what they happen to be doing to a child as a wrong thing, but they will then contradict themselves by pointing to an example of something else done to a child in the name of some backward ritual, and wring their hands over that.

I take the most consistent position, which is that you simply do not mutilate a child motivated by some nasty little cult ritual. Ever and with no exceptions. I am never going to move so much as one inch on this matter, because I will always put the child before their cult rituals.

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4371295,00.html

Two of the most senior rabbis in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community in Europe have said that "getting close to Gentiles is a sore evil" for Jews and that God has ordered them to be apart to prevent mixed marriages.

The astonishing remarks were contained in a letter sent by rabbis Shteinman and Kanievsky to the participants of the Conference of European Rabbis, and were described as a "highlight" of the event by the Israeli news service Ynet News.

The two rabbis wrote that "getting close to gentiles is a sore evil, as we learn from their acts and – God forbid – eventually assimilate between them. When they get close, God separates between them by increasing the nations’ hatred."

The rabbis said that polarization between the Jewish people and other nations is created by God in order to prevent mixed marriages, the Ynet News service said.

The two haredi leaders called on the other rabbis attending the conference to "Stress these issues in order to distinguish between the Jewish people and the world’s nations."

These remarks were one of the "highlights" of the conference, according to the Israeli news service, which described it this way:

"The letter was read to the conference participants by its president, Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt, in one of the highlights of the Conference of European Rabbis, who view it as a personal guidance for dealing with Jews’ situation in the continent in light of the restrictions imposed on ritual slaughter and circumcision by the authorities and the increasing acts of anti-Semitism among the local population."


Here they are.....

 

@ AN...



What is male circumcision?

Male circumcision is the surgical removal of the foreskin. In the United States today, all forms of child female circumcision are prohibited under Title 18 of the U.S. Code. Males are not included in that legislation, however, and as a result nearly 33% of American boys are still circumcised, with wide variations among individual states.


What is the function of the male foreskin?

The male foreskin performs a number of functions. First, it directly enhances sexual pleasure via specialized erogenous nerve endings such as the frenulum, the ridged band, and stretch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles.

The foreskin also serves to protect the moist, mucous membrane of the glans (the "head" of the penis) and the inner foreskin from outside elements, similar to the way the female foreskin protects the clitoris.

When the foreskin is removed, the penis is transformed from an internal organ into an external one, initiating a desensitizing process known as keratinization.

Keratin is a tough, skin-like substance similar to a callus that forms on top of the nerve endings of the glans, resulting in significant loss of sexual sensitivity. The foreskin also provides a gliding mechanism during sexual intercourse that reduces friction and locks in moisture, acting as a natural lubricant. The foreskin provides a number of other important functions as well.



Why would anyone cut off such a valuable body part?

The world origins of circumcision are unknown. However, circumcision began in the United States in the late 1800's largely because some doctors thought that it prevented masturbation, which at the time was thought to be harmful. But once that and other myths were proven wrong, new reasons were created to perpetuate circumcision, most notably that a circumcised penis is more hygienic than an intact penis, that it makes boys look the same as their fathers or others in their community, and for religious reasons. Medicaid reimbursement for circumcision in thirty-two states and a lucrative market for infant foreskins also provides financial incentives for circumcision.


Haven’t some newer studies shown that circumcised men are less likely to contract HIV and penile cancer?

Although some new studies suggest that circumcision may reduce susceptibility to HIV and penile cancer later in life, those findings are not a valid reason to amputate a healthy, functioning body part of a child.

Similar studies show that female circumcision may reduce HIV transmission, but nearly all physicians agree that any type of forced female genital cutting is unethical. Doctors don't cut off the breasts of baby girls to help prevent breast cancer, either, and medical ethicists believe that the male foreskin should be treated no differently. It is also important to note that proponents of female circumcision often use medical reasons to justify cutting off parts of girls' genitals, but those arguments are rightly condemned in most countries.


http://www.mgmbill.org/faq.htm