Israel vs. Palestine

All we have to get closer to Christ is faith in God and study of the Holy Bible.

There are many prophecies that have already been fulfilled, and many on the verge of it. The Jews going back to their homeland is just one of many.

You can avoid the truth, but it remains the same.

You can deny the truth, but it remains the same.

You can curse at it, and come up with deceitful excuses for it, but it remains the same.

Our God is great, you are fighting a losing battle, and fighting Him.

 

Yup, that's what to do, you bash ahead with a 200 yr old false concept.

And ignore actual reality, or religous texts.

That's the ticket, you bash away with that...

 

The ticket is that the devil is a liar, and his disciples are of him.

You have already been exposed as such. Remember when you scurried away? That was cute.

 

Was that when I got bored of your delusional rantings about you knowing everything?

 

Never once did I say I know everything.

But don't let me stop you from further proving my point. You can't help it can you?

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.John 8:44

 

Get help mate.

Take care....

Jack

 

You spit falsehoods, get exposed by them, run away, then come back and post your usual drivel as if it never happened.

This is why people just ignore you and call you a nazi. What you do is so transparent.

Do something about that hate, friend.

 

See, the thing with biblical prophecies is that they are apparently of divine origin. Now, as every good christian knows, their god is infallible and everything which is ordained must come true. So, bearing that in mind, how come there are so many biblical prophecies which demonstrably haven't been fulfilled? That being the case it leaves us with two options; either god is fallible-which is contrary to biblical and church teaching-or that god, by extension, cannot exist.
Here's a few choice examples: http://pay2cem.hubpages.com/hub/Epic-Bible-Fails-Top-10-Failed-Prophecies

 

Your posts indicate just that! Too bad for you that history is one way ownership is determined. In addition why do the so called Palestinians claim a historical presence in Israel at the same time attempt to discredit the Jewish presence in Israel for thousands of years? No, only someone that has no education or is too heavily influenced by propagandist world media would claim that history is not important in establishing ownership etc of a land. The funny thing is that its ok for other nations to be secure in their own borders even if won by military conquest or UN charter, but Israel who is fighting for her land won both in war and by UN charter is the only exception. Why is that? Read the good news and find out!~

Again you fail to grasp one detail. It’s not the so called Palestinians land, its Israel’s land. If you or I moved into a city park because we were homeless and took the name Gazaians would that validate our ownership of the park? Of course not! So if the park is not the Gazaians, but rather belongs to the city (Israel) the police and the mayor who oversee the city park have every right to impose restrictions on the Gazaians as they saw fit. No (*)(*)(*)(*)ting on the grass, no smoking dope in plain sight, etc. If a city residents gets hit by rocks thrown by the Gazaians friends (call them HAMASITES) well the police might have to use force to evict the once benign Gazaians. You see the correlation right? Now as I have said many times I DO NOT AGREE WITH ISRAEL BREAKING ITS OWN LAWS BY USING EXCESSIVE (ILLEGAL) VIOLENCE ETC. Israel obeying laws (of its sovereign state) is the difference between the good guys (Israeli law abiding soldiers and cops) and the bad guys ie HAMAS and other terrorists who obey no rules along with everyday Palestinians criminals or law breaking Israelis.

As I have said I support the law of the land unless its diametrically opposed to Gods law. If the Israelis use too much violence or violate other Israeli law they should be arrested tried and punished. As for the name calling, I have been called worse. When it comes from an poorly educated or otherwise challenged infidel, words make little difference to me. So I am sure you would not want to lower yourself to that level eh?

reva

 

A prophesy can not include every detail and is purposefully vague. Why? If God exists and knows the future a prediction by God in fine detail would doom us to doing exactly as the prophesy said. It would eliminate free will. God is perfect or what we perceive as perfect in his own atemporal domain. In our temporal universe we have inconsistencies things that do not seem perfect to allow the machinery of the natural world to run smoothly. So in our world there is nothing perfect or no perfection. I may catch heat from my traditional brothers and sisters, but I believe even Jesus who was part human was not perfect but necessarily 'flawed'* so he, his flesh and blood body with God inside could interact with us and our universe. * ie flawed purposely by Gods design. If you notice in the bible when God wanted to interact with our universe he rarely if ever came in his own form. He always sent a messenger; angels, dreams, visions, even Jesus. He did not visit in person or in his 'form'. I feel its because his form is not compatible with this universe.

Many have been fulfilled and many remain. What prophesy specifically were you referencing. We are witnessing prophesy come true as we speak. Israel become a nation again and made the desert wasteland bloom as per prophesy.

I will check out the link but have been through this before.

reva

 

Everyone knows you are brainwashed still, but with smelly nazi zionist filth. Colonists should all be sent home or hanged, and their supporters denied votes as foreigners.

 

Naturally, we should return Britain to the Normans, the Vikings, Goths, Vandals, Romans-all of whom left artefacts 'proving' they have ancestral, historical rights to Britain. Try again.

 

Ah yes, 'purposely vague'! Is that like any time a tricky part of the bible is exposed for its inconsistency the content is claimed to be either analogy or metaphor? Try again! See, for me 'purposely vague' suggests I can read into a 'prophecy' whatever I like, precisely because it is so vague!

 

Liberals hate. It's what they do. And, the liberals as haters side with others who hate even when they are reactionary fundamentalist religious nuts. The liberals can hate them later.

 

exactly in that note you also striked out the palestinians right on this land, theyve based they "right" to own this land on their history and saicrate places as the Al-Akza Masgid, or the Golden Cipa.
you people are striking things on israeli side and concedering it bad, yet on palestinian side you concedering it ok, so who is brainwashed?!

hes is the man that knows the facts and actualy listen to reasonable things, while you are a brainwashed man that strkes out every posibility and blindly following everything the palestinians said.
zionists arnt natzis, you cant even compare, nazis killed jews just because they were jews, we dont kill palestinians cause they are palestinians, we kill them cause they are terorists, and we kill only the terorists, in wars innocents get gurt, inocents got hurt on our side as well.
the palestinians who does live here, have everyright as other citizene in the state of israel
they can vote for government, they can get education, they can work, they can be high ranked in the army, police, or every other defensive organiztion, and there are 2 million of them here, yet you wont see one jew in the middle east except for israel.

 

Neither has the authority to do so. Neither would do such today.


The British also promised the Palestinians a state, not just Israel. The Britisn finally washed their hands of Palestine when they couldn't satisfy either side and turned it over to the UN. Yes, both the British and the UN had authority to grant a state. British did when they took it from the Ottomans and the UN did when given it from Britain. But the UN did not give it all to Israel. The Palestinians turned it down because the UN gave more land to Israel, even though the Palestinians had the largest population. They felt they were being cheated.

 

Although there has been Jews living in Palestine for thousands of years, their numbers were very small compared to the Palestinians. At least until around the 1880's when larger numbers migrated from Europe. Jews and Muslims lived peacefully side by side for many years until their numbers grew larger. They planned to make a homeland out of Palestine but couldn't buy enough land to do it until WWI when the British promised them a homeland for their help in the war with the Ottomans. That set off the first real problems between the two sides. Palestinians were threatened not to sell land to the Jews. The Arabs put pressure on Britain not to let more Jews come in.

While history is important, so has winning wars. Israel lost what is now called Palestine to the Romans and most were driven out. Much like the Europeans drove the Indians out. If we believe the Jews have the right to have all of Palestine, than we also have to believe that the Native Indian has the right to have all their land back.

 

Which is all well and good, except that you ignore the real issue here, and that is the continual erosion and sublimation of more and more Palestinian land-land which was never Israel's to take. I have absolutely no issue with Israel as a sovereign nation, and its right to the land it was originally given; and I daresay the majority of Palestinians don't either. What everyone is condemning, however, is the expansionist policy which Israel is absolutely adamant it will continue with.
This colonisation by stealth is unacceptable, and international rules of warfare clearly state that the acquisition of land through war is inadmissable.
The UN seems powerless to do much more than issue condemnatory resolutions, leaving the Palestinians little choice other than to either meekly accept the status quo of daily settlent expansion, or resist those who are invading the land to which Israel has no rights whatsoever.

 

I wish you would ignore me.

I would even goose step if you did.

 

The NA considered those in the Warsaw Ghetto terrorists.

Where were your mother and father born?

How about grandparents?

Btw, you clearly know NOTHING when you write...

you wont see one jew in the middle east except for israel.

 

It was not that they felt they were being cheated, it was that they thought they could have it all by driving the Jews into the sea...they failed

 

At that point the Palestinians didn't actually have a larger population, it was more or less 50/50. The Jews owned far more of the land, and they had come back to Israel and invested in the land and made it prosperous, but the Palestinians were given the most prosperous land by the UN.

The issue wasn't that the Palestinians were being cheated, it's that they were asked to recognize Jewish sovereignty.

 

britain never promised a land to the jewish, she promised it to the palestinians, but im not a britain man, i dont know what was going threw their heads, but they gave us a national home. you couldnt be more wrong, britain always sided with the palestinians because they were more then the jewish, because of that there were 3 White Books, that indicated rules that harm the jewish people in the country, all happend after a certin action by the palestinians that harmed really bad the jewish people, so they decided to make things worst for the jewish, but the country never belonged to britain, they had a Mandat of it, and since they couldnt solve the jewish-palestinian issue, the UN took charge of the situation, they had the right since the land didnt belong to anyone back at the time

the palestinians would not say yes even if we had one city and they had the rest, they wanted all israel with not one jew in it, they were not being cheated, they didnt need more land because they had tons of lands around them to live in, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and the israelies only had israel, so basicly it was a fair deal.

 

all of you said that the only reason palestinians kill jews, is because jews wants/took their land.
well them let me tell you a story, it was long before the creation od israel, its called "The 1929 Events".
ther were 4 cities in israel where jews have always lived in, before the palestinian jewish conflict, before the othman empire, the 4 cities were Hebron, Tveria, Jerusalem, Zfat.
The 1929 Events took place in Hebron, the people who said in those 4 cities didnt want this country, they didnt want israel, they lived in it only as a mitzvah, thats why they had good realtions with the palestinians.
then in 1929 palestinians attacked Hebron, they attacked people who werent intrested in their land, or in the country, and the jews took that action as an Radicalization, you know why? because after what happend in Hebron jews understand that palestinians dosnt kill jews because jews wnats the land, they killed jews simply cause they were jews, they had no reason to kill this people, yet the slated most of them, and those who didnt die has escaped their homes living the city empty of jews.

so what do you have to say about that? they are still killing jews cause they are stilling their land? cause this jews had a very good realstion with palestinians, but they were murdered anyway, only cause they were jews.

 

they concidered them terrorists, they wernt terrorists, but you eant to tell me that people who kidnap soldiers, or shoot missiles on out cities are not terrorists? cause if not i dont know who is.
my mother and father were born in israel, my grandfather and grandmother were born in poland, my grandfather had to escape trains that lides jews to their death 3 times! it was a miricle he was alive, all of his close family(father, mother, brothers) were murederd.
and show where there is jews.
egypt? only those who represent israel because of the peace agreement, but not citizens.
labanon? god no.
syria? no
Iran? no
Iraq? most of them already boarded to israel or dead.
and this least is still long,
but israel contains 2 million palestinians, all of them has the same rights has everybody else, as a jewish citizen or any other religion.