It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives

That is a general and meaningless statement. The Governor’s of the respective states determined policies for their states. DeSantis is one of the few Governors who understood the real science and what the data meant. He protected those in nursing homes unlike Cuomo whose policies resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths.

 

from the President of the United States, with past President such words would not be "meaningless", but with Trump... your right

"The Trump Administration’s Deregulation of Nursing Homes Leaves Seniors and Disabled at Higher Risk for COVID-19"

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...leaves-seniors-disabled-higher-risk-covid-19/

"Why are nursing homes being hit so hard by the outbreak? One reason is that they are a target of the Trump administration’s aggressive deregulation agenda."

"In response, the nursing home lobby again advocated for less oversight, and in July 2019, the Trump administration proposed new rules relaxing the requirements tied to infection control. It suggested that consultants could be used, instead of requiring infection specialists to be employed at the site, at minimum, on a part-time basis. This meant that there was no longer a requirement for a full-time, hands-on expert in infection contamination on-site."

the reality is, Nursing Homes should have separated infected people, they failed to do this, hospitals could not give up a bed for everyone that showed no symptoms and tested positive, not enough beds - the nursing homes failed

 

Cuomo ordered the nursing homes in New York state to accept Covid patients from hospitals back into those nursing homes. The federal government had nothing to do with that. The Javitz center and the hospital ship in New York harbor were practically empty.

 

because people with no symptoms that did not need hospitalization had to be sent home, not enough beds, it was up to the nursing home to keep people with no symptoms isolated - they failed

if an elderly person goes in today and gets a positive covid test, but no symptoms, the same will happen, they will be sent home

show me a state where the Governor mandates hospitals keep patients in the hospital that have no symptoms

 

Cuomo is gone. Trump should be gone, too, but you folks intend to inflict him on the country again. Why?

 

Economic policies, national security, border security, national defense, Chinese Communist Party Policies, tax reform, education reform including vouchers, rule of law, election integrity reform, ….

 

Why were people with no symptoms in the hospital? People with Covid with no symptoms (if they know they are infected) should avoid those people who are at high risk. The conditions of people who are at high risk are well known and have been known very early on. The CDC published a list. There was no need to isolate infected healthy people from the healthy population. What should have been done is special measures to protect those at high risk which are predominantly over the age of seventy with high risk conditions.

 

I can't think of a thing in any of these categories I think he did a reasonable job.

Pick any area, outline what he did or proposes, and justify the policy. I don't think you can do it.

 

What the hell--you wouldn't want to do something that makes sense.

If we had protected high-risk people better, especially after vaccines and effective treatments were available, there would have been less pressure on hospitals and less need or justification for lockdowns.

That would not have solved our economic problems, but it would have saved lives.

There is an absurd claim by rightwing ideologues that no lockdowns or covid restrictions would have allowed the economy to operate normally, a claim that ignores many people are still limiting their purchases of in-person services.

 

Given the unknown factors at the time and the spread of the disease so quickly, the authorities entrusted with protecting us did the responsible thing given the information at the time. I fail to see why any of us benefits from second guessing them at this point. When the next pandemic comes, will these Monday morning quarterbacks use this as a way of politically preventing the spread of that new disease? You bet they will which is why none of us should take them seriously.

 

The proper focus should be on what we can do better.

 

And of course energy policy.

Not surprising that you can’t think of anything.

Lower corporate tax rate to 20%.

 

The lockdowns and distancing wasn't just a problem for the economy. It also meant learning disabilities for children, increased depression, suicide, alcoholism, drugs, and overall reduction of quality of health as many resorted to drive through restraunts with normal restraunts being closed. Many also stopped going to their doctor.

 

Nursing homes are mostly regulated by state laws not federal laws. Congress regulates commerce between states and not so much commerce within a specific state per the constitution. The only control the federal government has over a local business is in funding and the rules needed to follow in order to receive that funding. Oh and taxes and immigration of course.

 

It was a “Black Swan” even in an election year. Trump forcing the drug makers to get off the stick and find a vaccine or else, was a watershed moment in America’s relationship with drug makers: “Cut the BS. Get busy.” And they did. Obamas business as usual SARS vaccine showed up like three years too late.
Business as usual doesn’t work in the world of bio engineering. You have to drop everything and move fast.
As armchair quarterbacking, we forget the fear in the country and our limits as a government.

 

The better question to ask is “What are we going to do next time?”
Welcome to our new world!

 

They best-guessed it using the Spanish flu and that other particularly fatal coronavirus MERS that kills about a third of its victims as their touchstones. Obviously 20/20 hindsight being what it is one can say our response was flawed. I personally think trump & company spending so much time trying to use this to taunt China kept us from getting quality information early on about what was working, not working etc. as China clamped down on health care providers sharing information with the rest of the world except through slow, official bureaucratic channels in response. Unfortunately here in America, too many on the left followed suit politicizing the other way to taunt Trump.

Anyway, if you want to judge it based on accuracy, I remind you that drinking pool cleaner didn't help that guy and nobody has been turned into a human magnet by the jabs either.

 

Not according to my link and its links, but one should keep in mind there isn't one "hospital system" but rather many individual hospitals, some of which had such a problem with covid in 2021 (and also before) that they had to send critically ill patients far away, risking their lives.

 

Covid can be compare to the last major world pandemic, the 1919 flu.
Without a doubt the 1919 flu was way worse.
Was that due to the scientific community requesting restrictions faster? The covid shots being available sooner?
Sure could be.

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And you can’t forget that the 1918 flu actually killed more people globally. Per The World Health Organization, the 1918 flu killed somewhere between 20 to 50 million people during its full run. It’s still unclear how many people actually died from the flu due to the lack of health records at the time. COVID-19 has killed about 4.7 million people across the world. The 1918 flu clearly had a profound impact overseas and less so in the United States.
COVID-19 vs. 1918 flu: Which was worse? Which had more deaths? - Deseret News

 

Hopefully act as Sweden has done with the exception of protecting those in nursing homes to a much greater degree. The lesson should that it is overwhelmingly better to identify and protect those segments of the population who at very serious risk. Protection is much better done at local levels by organizations who understand the local conditions. Developing universal policies at a national level by a small group of “experts” is a sure path to an unnecessary crisis.

 

But, now those who got the jabs don't need to carry a cell phone around for the gov't to track them.
Afterall, they are now all implanted with a microchip. LOL. JK

 

Covid is a relatively weak virus which adversely affected a small segment of the population (elderly with preconditions). Those who passed were very unhealthy individuals in the first place.

The 1918 flu killed healthy people of all ages and was far worse.

 

The purpose of the lockdowns was to prevent overloading of our hospital system. There are always instances of patients being transferred.

 

Again,
The world acted faster with covid than the 1919 flu. While the data says this was a pandemic of the elderly, we can't say younger ones were more immune.
It's possible, it's because of social distancing, masks, and reduced travel that may have played a role.

It is true the younger were affected more in terms of death in 1919, but...

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It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States. Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic.

While the 1918 H1N1 virus has been synthesized and evaluated, the properties that made it so devastating are not well understood. With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.
History of 1918 Flu Pandemic | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

 

The more we avoid exposure, the weaker our immune systems become.