It's Time for the Scientific Community to Admit We Were Wrong About COVID and It Cost Lives

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    I let ChatGPT reply...

    Question: "Is one SARS-CoV-2 virus particle enough to get covid?"​

    ChatGPT: "Yes, it is possible for a single SARS-CoV-2 virus particle to cause an infection in a human and lead to COVID-19. However, the probability of infection may depend on several factors such as the viral load of the infected individual, the amount of virus that is released from the infected individual, and the mode of transmission.

    When an infected person coughs, sneezes, talks, or breathes, they release respiratory droplets that contain the virus into the air. These droplets can travel a short distance and can be inhaled by another person, leading to infection. The more virus particles that are released into the air, the higher the likelihood of infection. However, even a small amount of virus can lead to infection if it enters the body through the mouth, nose, or eyes.

    It is also worth noting that some people may be more susceptible to infection than others. People with weakened immune systems or underlying health conditions may be more vulnerable to infection from a small amount of virus.

    Therefore, it is important to take precautions such as wearing masks, practicing social distancing, and washing hands frequently to reduce the risk of infection."​

    IOW, the protection doesn't have to be perfect.
     
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    The quote confirms that one aerosol particle is all it takes to infect or become infected. The quote is an opinion.

    What is imperfect protection??
     
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    Better imperfect protection than nothing.
     
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    You cannot responsibly make that claim without data showing infection rates for both mask wearers which provide quantification. Imperfect protection means no protection. Your argument is an opinion.

    Informed decision making requires accurate information. That is not forthcoming with regard to masks.

    The claim is that masks protect and prevent. That is not correct. There is still a sign on our HOA clubhouse that masks prevent the spread of Covid. That is not true.
     
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    True in general, but it wasn't just "being wrong on science". It was outright denying science (and mathematics and engineering), with purposeful intent.
     
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    Yes. The entire global warming alarmism movement is based on the narrative that human CO2 emissions are responsible directly for the current global warming trend (which started in the mid 1600’s). This has never been scientifically proven. And yet public policy which regressively harms low income families. The Chinese Communist Party sells green equipment to the western democracies whilst they start up a coal fired power plant every week.
     
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    There's a reason I call it the Church of Global Warming (and then there's the related faith, the Church of Green).
     
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    Yes - completely faith and greed based. Facts don’t matter.
     
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    So what?
     
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    The “what” is contained in my entire post which provides the context.
     
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    Oh, please. You can't justify your position.
     
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    My position is completely justified. The Chinese Communist Party is laughing at the western democracies who have bought into the human CO2 emissions causation of the current Holocene warming period. They benefit economically as the western democracies place their left feet over right and shoot them selves in the left foot. The Chinese Communist Party is only too helpful in sinking western economies as part of their 100 year plan for global domination. Trump has been the only US President to correctly understand the Chinese Communist Party true intentions.
     
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    Before you think they're laughing too hard, you might have a look at the water shortages they face.
    Trump never understood our limitations when he decided to go it alone versus China and got nothing.

    You don't have to be an economist or in business finance to see what they're planning. We pivoted to opposing Chinese expansion under Obama.
     
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    Appears the German Health Minister admits Serious Covid Vaccine injuries are a concern. Eventually, all governments will have to admit there is a chance of severe injury due to the Covid Vax. I am sure for the vast majority, there is no concern while the percentages are probably much lower than injury due to actual Covid. Being we have only had two years worth of this Drug Trial, I hope it is not worse than they are starting to admit.

    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/karl-la...rsal?r=9damc&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
     
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    Water shortages? What water shortages?

    The US loses over $400 Billion every year because of the theft of intellectual property by the Chinese Communist Party.
     
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    There is nothing in that article showing that China has a water problem which will slow down their economy. China also has dirty air but that doesn’t stop them.

    Global warming results in more precipitation which increases the water supply.
     
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    ChatGPT was used by covid skeptics as a test and found it put out the same official narrative (ie, that viruses exist, that the jab is safe & effective, etc.).
     
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    https://abcnews.go.com/US/bodies-water-north-america-drying-due-drought-climate/story?id=91737496

    Bodies of water all over North America are drying up as a result of drought and a decrease in precipitation, experts told ABC News. Earlier this year, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration predicted that the 22-year megadrought affecting the West would not only intensify but also move eastward. That prediction appears to be coming into fruition, with about 82% of the continental U.S. currently showing conditions between abnormally dry and exceptional drought, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor.

    Water supplies along the Colorado River and the two largest reservoirs in the country that it supplies -- Lake Mead and Lake Powell -- are continuing to recede. Further west, reservoirs in California as drying up as well, Pablo Ortiz, climate and waters scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, told ABC News. Lake Oroville and Lake Shasta, the two biggest reservoirs in the state, are barely above 30% capacity, and every major reservoir in California except for one is below the historical average, according to the California Department of Water Resources. In addition, more than 60% of monitored groundwater wells in California are below normal conditions, and more than 21% are currently experiencing historically low levels, Ortiz said. Workers who are drilling into groundwater wells have told Ortiz that groundwater levels in some regions have dropped up to 10 feet, Ortiz said.

    "Rivers all over the world are running really low," especially the Tigress and Euphrates Rivers in Iraq, as well as significant bodies of water in countries like Italy, Romania, France and China, Jonathan Deason, professor of the Environmental and Energy Management Program at George Washington University.


    WOW! Look at ALL that water at Hoover Dam!

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    Check out the BEFORE & AFTER pics of Lake Meade in California here:

    https://www.newsweek.com/lake-mead-water-levels-reach-all-time-low-2023-1775268
     
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    That’s called weather.
     
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    No it’s not. Human CO2 emissions result according to the consensus “scientific “ opinion an increase of ~ 3 degrees Centigrade per ~ 100 years. This reduces to ~ 0.03 degrees Centigrade per year. This small change is not going to create near term weather changes.

    And of course the basic physics indicates that as the temperature increases more global water evaporates resulting in more global precipitation. Changes in localized weather is mostly driven by what is going on in yhe oceans where the amount of stored energy exceeds that stored in the atmosphere by orders of magnitude.
     
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    Global warming is neither linear nor uniform:

    A key point of the special report is there is no single 1.5-degree warmer world. The impacts of climate change haven’t been spread evenly around our planet and they won’t be in the future, either. Temperatures increase at different speeds everywhere, with warming generally higher over land areas than oceans. The strongest warming is happening in the Arctic during its cool seasons, and in Earth’s mid-latitude regions during the warm season.

    In many regions, warming has already surpassed 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels. More than one-fifth of all humans live in regions that have already seen warming greater than 1.5 degrees Celsius in at least one season. Climate-related risks were found to be generally higher at lower latitudes and for disadvantaged people and communities.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2865/a-degree-of-concern-why-global-temperatures-matter/

    It's not local. It's global. There are only local short-lasting extreme events of flooding & snow here and there due partly to perturbations of the jet stream caused by global warming, while moderate flooding & snow have decreased - but drought is global & persistent. Higher rates of evaporation also causes soils to dry out, which intensifies flooding. (Evaporated water as water vapor also partly adds to the greenhouse effect.)
     
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    What areas are warmer?

    Drought is no global. Higher rates of evaporation do not result in droughts. There is no evidence to support that contention. The IPCC clearly states that there is no link between global warming and droughts.

    Evaporation results in more clouds. Clouds are not understood at all by meteorologists and climate modelers. Clouds can act to both reflect sunlight thus cooling the earth or act as an insulating blanket which warms the earth.

    There has been no global warming in the past 8 years.
     
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    The IPCC says it on its own site:

    "the proportion of the land surface in extreme drought, globally, is predicted to increase by the a factor of 10 to 30; from 1-3 % for the present day to 30% by the 2090s. The number of extreme drought events per 100 years and mean drought duration are likely to increase by factors of two and six, respectively, by the 2090s (Burke et al., 2006)."
    https://archive.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch3s3-4-3.html

    Also, the USGS has found that climate change exacerbates droughts by making them more frequent, longer, and more severe. And, as we saw above, more widespread.

    Droughts don’t just affect water stored in wetlands, lakes, and rivers, but also water below ground stored in aquifers and in the soil. When this groundwater gets used up, the dry ground can act like a sponge, sucking surface water straight in. The surface water-groundwater relationship gets even more complicated with snowpack. If snow melts too early in the year, water can move through the environment too quickly, causing the ground to dry up and become “thirsty” too soon. So even if there is “enough” water, the timing of the water may dictate whether an area is in a drought.


    Climate change has further altered the natural pattern of droughts, making them more frequent, longer, and more severe. Since 2000, the western United States is experiencing some of the driest conditions on record. The southwestern U.S., in particular, is going through an unprecedented period of extreme drought.
    https://www.usgs.gov/science/science-explorer/climate/droughts-and-climate-change#overview

    You have to keep in mind another point. As droughts intensify and the ground dries up, there will be less vegetation, which will intensify an already existing drought & turn the region into a desert. Also, the way man uses land (for farming, cities, buildings, roads, etc.) adds to the global warming crisis. It's not only about the greenhouse gases we produce but also about how we treat the land & water.

    It's not that simple.

    Scientists have found that a warmer Earth is indeed pushing clouds upward and poleward – a response to global warming that climate models have predicted for some time, but we had difficulty detecting until now.

    New research published last month in the journal Nature revealed the changes in cloud elevation and coverage after analyzing 30 years of satellite data.

    A warmer Earth elevates clouds because the troposphere, the lowest layer of our atmosphere where weather occurs, can extend higher with a hotter surface. Warming also moves clouds poleward because circulation patterns in the tropics are expanding, pushing storms north and south.

    But there’s a bigger issue at play here: These perturbed clouds may cause further warming, triggering a vicious cycle of increasingly rising global temperatures. That critical detail was often glossed over as news of the cloud changes spread last month.

    Thus...

    As clouds move higher, they trap MORE heat.

    And...

    Earth gets more sun as clouds move poleward.


    https://www.edf.org/blog/2016/08/24/climate-change-messing-clouds-and-its-really-big-deal
     
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