Jews have no rights on the Temple Mount

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  1. tmount

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    ARE YOU AWARE THAT:


    The Temple Mount is the holiest place in the world; yet Jews and all non-Moslems are denied the right to pray in groups, and even as individuals; this refusal is accompanied by their constant degradation, and they are granted no opportunity for any religious expression whatsoever on the Temple Mount.


    - Only Jews have restricted visitation times on the mount 4 hours a day, Monday -Thursday. The mount is closed to Jews on Friday, Saturday all Muslim holidays and even Jewish holidays that coincide with Muslim holidays.

    - Only Jews are forced to wait an extended period of time before being allowed through security.

    - Only Jews are forced to present their ID’s to the police.

    - Only Jews are followed and harassed by Israeli police and Muslim Wakf guards throughout the entire visit on the Mount.

    - Only Jews are arrested for crimes such as prayer, closing eyes, bowing down or singing.

    - The Prime Minister of Israel has failed to include the Temple Mount in his own "Heritage Plan," among those sites of historical, cultural and religious significance to the Jewish people, to receive enhanced government budgeting for the improvement of access, upkeep, and beautification of the sites.


    The Mount has completely been abandoned to the Muslim Authorities and is used by Muslims for the following dangerous activities:


    - Illegal digs causing unparalleled destruction of archeological evidence of the Holy Temple and the historical Jewish presence on the Mount.

    - Endless incitement against the Jewish State and Nation from within the Mosques.

    - Physical attacks against Jews on the Mount and down below at the Western Wall

    This following is about the persecution of Jews on the Temple Mount it is in Hebrew, but the imagaes are very important for everyone to see.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C0Mg9RUsA0"]‫מתחברים ללב‬‎ - YouTube[/ame]

    Here is another video in english on the Muslim desecration of the site.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg"]Why Palestinians Want This Video Removed - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I am a Christian and before the 1967 war I made three two weeks trips to the Holy Lands.. so I have toured the al Aksa Mosque and the Haram al Sharif... but, there were lots more Christians and Muslims in Jerusalem back then..

    There were also no soldiers or check points.
     
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    Here is a video I shot while trying to get into the Mount you will see the discrimination against Jews
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlz8gIEP1T4"]Religious Jews persecuted at Temple Mount Gate - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBv1ARu_8gA"]Filming Muslim children playing on Temple Mount police get angry - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    When Omar arrived in Jerusalem the Temple Mount was the city dump if you recall.. Then Omar invited the Jews to return to Jerusalem.

    You might also recall that they tried to rebuild the third Temple around 321 AD.

    Why would Jews want to pray at a Muslim holy site? Are theyb just trying to stir up trouble?
     
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    The temple mount is the holiest of all Jewish sites even today when there is no temple.

    Rabbi Moshe Mimon known as Mimonodies is perhaps the greatest Rabbi in the last 1,000 years, he lived over 800 years ago.

    In his book on Torah law called “Laws of the Chosen House” (Temple Mount) he writes:

    “Even though the Temple is destroyed due to our sins, one must show reverence, as was customary when the Temple was standing. One should enter into the permitted areas (of the Mount), but must not sit in the Temple courtyard nor act frivolously in the direction of the eastern gate, as it is written: “My Sabbath you shall guard, and my Temple shall revere” (Leviticus 19:30). Just like Sabbath is eternal, reverence for the Temple is eternal as well (ch.7, 7).
     
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    The real question is why don't the Muslims let the Jews pray? You said they could before, remember? Were you 'wrong'?

    Why do the Arabs want to pray on the temple site of the Jews? They should go away to Mecca or somewhere else.

    Quantrill
     
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    It couldn't have been very important since they abandoned it for 1900 years.

    Why not build another temple elsewhere.. although I can't imagine returning to animal sacrifice.
     
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    I have a better idea. Just take apart the Dome of the Rock and send it away or burn it, whatever. Then rebuild the Temple.

    I like that idea better.

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    They built the Mosque in honor of the God of Abraham if you recall.

    The Jews have been praying at the Western Wall of the Fortress Antonia since about 1500 AD.

    I said I had toured the mount before 1967.. There weren't any Jews around.. Just Christians and Muslims.
     
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    Well, I am glad I am not of the Hebrew faith. I would not put up with all this third world prejudice. I would run for Prime Minister of Israel, and just start pushing nuclear buttons at my neighbors. I would not have the patience to put up with all the crap Jews are forced to live with. Problem solved.
     
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    You are opposed to a 1300 year old monument dedicated to the God of Abraham?
     
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    With all due respect it was not "abandoned"!

    The Romans attacked us burned the Temple to the ground, killed over a Million Jews in Jerusalem alone, exiled 100,000 from Jerusalem to Rome and stole all the holy vessels of the temple, which is recorded on the arch of Titus still in Rome today and you can also reads accounts of the entire battle and downfall in Josephus.

    The Romans than built a Temple over the site to Jupiter and the Jews were banned from entering Jerusalem for hundreds of years. Than the Christians rose to power and built a Church over the site, than you had the crusades where the Jewish community in Israel was more or less decimated. Then the Muslims built the Dome of the Rock.

    The Jews did not have a fair chance until 1967, sadly Moshe dayan who was a secularist did not want the Temple and it was he a secular Hellenized Jew who instituted the rules against Jews that I mentioned above.
     
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    Today thank God, thousands of Jews are going yearly and the numbers are picking up.
     
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    We want the Temple to stand again not a Muslim building that today is a symbol of Islamic resistence against Israel
     
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    There were NEVER a million Jews in all of Palestine.

    The Muslims built the mosque 500 years before the crusades.

    See the Treaty of Omar.. He invited the Jews to return to Jerusalem.
     
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    Hahahahahahaha.....and you metioned you were 'christian'. Please.

    The Dome of the Rock is an insult and an abomination to the God of Abraham.

    You bet, Im opposed to it.

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    Of course... my Sunday school sponsored a trip every April.
     
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    Sure.

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    I do not know if you read any history, but please first call it the historic Land of Israel .

    The rule of Israelites in the land of Israel starts with the conquests of Joshua (ca. 1250 BCE). The period from 1000-587 BCE is known as the "Period of the Kings". The most noteworthy kings were King David (1010-970 BCE), who made Jerusalem the Capital of Israel, and his son Solomon (Shlomo, 970-931 BCE), who built the first Temple in Jerusalem as prescribed in the Tanach (Old Testament).

    In 587 BCE, Babylonian Nebuchadnezzar's army captured Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple, and exiled the Jews to Babylon (modern day Iraq). Up till this point there were tens of millions of Jews that lived in Israel. They were divided into 13 tribes, 10 of the tribes were lost to assimilation and only three were left standing. The tribe of Benajnime, Levi and Juda which was the largest of the three. These three tribes formed a tight community in what is moden Iraq and since the majority were from Juda they bacmes known as Jews. Now if there are 12 Million Jews today (Before the Holocuast there were over 18 Million), and this after much persecution of 2,000 years and only 3 of the 12 tribes, think of how many Israelites there were before the downfall of the Jewish kingdom in Isael in 587 BCE. There were 10s of millions living in the land of Israel
     
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    Most American Christians in Arabia visited the Hoily Lands.. It wasn't an expensive junket.
     
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    PART 2

    538-333 BCE Persian Period Return of the exiled Jews from Babylon and construction of the second Temple (520-515 BCE).

    333-63 BCE Hellenistic Period and Conquest of the region by the army of Alexander the Great (333 BCE). The Greeks generally allowed the Jews to run their state. But, during the rule of the king Antiochus IV, the Temple was desecrated. This brought about the revolt of the Maccabees, who established an independent rule. The related events are celebrated during the Hanukah holiday.

    63 BCE-313 CE Roman Period The Roman army led by Titus conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple at 70 CE. Jewish people were then exiled and dispersed to the Diaspora. In 132, Bar Kokhba organized a revolt against Roman rule, but was killed in a battle in Bethar in Judean Hills. Subsequently the Romans decimated the Jewish community, renamed Jerusalem as Aelia Capitolina and Judea as Palaestina to obliterate Jewish identification with the Land of Israel (the word Palestine, and the Arabic word Filastin originate from this Latin name).

    The remaining Jewish community moved to northern towns in the Galilee. Around 200 CE the Sanhedrin was moved to Tsippori (Zippori, Sepphoris). The Head of Sanhedrin, Rabbi Yehuda HaNassi (Judah the Prince), compiled the Jewish oral law, Mishna.

    313-636 Byzantine

    636-1099 Arab Dome of the Rock was built by Caliph Abd el-Malik on the grounds of the destroyed Jewish Temple.

    1099-1291 Crusaders The crusaders came from Europe to capture the Holy Land following an appeal by Pope Urban II, and massacred the non-Christian population. Later Jewish community in Jerusalem expanded by immigration of Jews from Europe.

    1291-1516 Mamluk

    1516-1918 Ottoman During the reign of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent (1520-1566) the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem were rebuilt. Population of the Jewish community in Jerusalem increased.

    1917-1948 British Great Britain recognized the rights of the Jewish people to establish a "national home in Palestine". Yet they greatly curtailed entry of Jewish refugees into Israel even after World War II. They split Palestine mandate into an Arab state which has become the modern day Jordan, and Israel.

    1948-1967 - Jerusalem cut off from Israel and the Jews

    1967 Jews come back to the Temple Mount
     
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    Sorry.. that is part of the myth.. The Romans never forcibly removed any conquered people.

    The various Jews factions broke out fighting each other and the Romans.

    Vespasian was called in with the Roman garrison from Syria to put down the rebellion.. He had basically decided to stand clear and let the Jews kill each other off.. but then he was called to Rome to become emperor and his son Titus took over command.

    The reason the Jews started fighting each other was because the big building projects were finished and there was high unemployment.

    Palestine was a province of Syria according to the Greek historian Herodotus circa 500 BC.
     
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    It is time for the Jewish people to claim the Temple mount and people like Hillary Clinton to but out of theior affairs. the Muslim religion is an abominatiion replacing the Arab moon god with the God of Abraham. Their adherance to their child molesting bandit is discusting.

    They moon the temple mount 5 times every day. Look at what a sewar they have made of Egypt.
     
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    I doubt that you have ever been to Egypt.

    Muslims worship the God of Abraham.

    Invention of the Jewish People


    http://inventionofthejewishpeople.c...ention-of-the-jewish-people-earth-shattering/
     

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