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Jews have no rights on the Temple Mount

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by tmount, Aug 17, 2011.

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  1. tmount

    tmount New Member

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    A couple of points. No one said that all the Jews were removed from the land, many stayed others fled from fear. Now Josephus writes that 100,000 Jews were exiled from Jerusalem to Rome and taken as slaves and he also writes about 1 Million Jews fell in the battle for Jerusalem

    Now there were 3 Jewish positions in regard to Rome.
    1. Dont fight and make a deal, which is what the majorty wanted
    2. There was a minority who were more or less the Jewish version of Al Quida who were callef the Sikari and they eneded forcing the city to fight.
    3 A few richest men in Jerusalem had another idea, they bought mass amount of food that would sustain the city for like 15 years, they built store houses and advoctaed for sealing the gates until the Romans left. The Sikari ended up burning down the store houses and forced the city in to a battle with Rome and at the same time the Sikari went around the city killing people (Rabbis and Laymen alike) who spoke out against them They killed the opposiiton and in the end the Temple and a million.

    Part of the land of Israel namley the Northern Kingdom of Israel vs. the Southern Kingdom of Juda fell under the countrol of Assaria about 400 BCE. The south remained independent for about another hunderd some odd years until they were exiled by Babalonian king Nebuchadnetzar.
     
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    By 300 BC Jews were hiring Phoenician ships to take them to what is now Spain and Portugal.. They were also leaving to live in North Africa, Elphantine island, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and northern Arabia.

    Forced diaspora is a myth and numbers are ALWAYS exaggerated.
     
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    Listen I am not a big Muslim fan, but officially they also worship the God of Abraham, however they have serious problems like that they love to murder Jews and other.
     
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    Why don't you actually try to learn something... Muslims revere Jesus and all the Biblical patriarchs.
     
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    Funny that Jews lived all over the Arab world and prospered for 2000 years, isn't it?

    They were NOT repeatedly expelled or persecuted as they were in Europe.
     
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    I disagree. Muhammed used the Bible to create a religion for the Arab peoples. He no more wanted to worship the God of Abraham then the man in the moon.

    He used what little he knew of the Bible and changed it to fit the Arab people. Then he centered it in the commercial capital of Mecca. And then he gave this god a name, allah, which was one of the many gods the arab people worshiped in what they call now their 'days of ignorance'.

    Well, guess what? They are still in the 'days of ignorance'. They still worship this god of rocks, allah.

    Allah has nothing to do with the God of Abraham.

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    Not repeatedly trying to be expelled by the Arabs at this time? Your right, that is funny.

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    Arabs call God Allah.. meaning God.. just like the French and Germans and Spanish have their word for God in their native language....

    Or were you thinking that the Bible was written in English?
     
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    European Zionism is responsible for Arab Jews leaving in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973..

    A little history helps.
     
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    Arabs can call their god, god, if they want to. He is not the God of Abraham. I don't care what they call him.

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    A little history is not needed to see the repeated efforts of the Arabs to cast Israel out of the land. A blind eye, such as in your case maybe.

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    You should take that up with God....

    Why do you suppose Abraham circumcised ALL his sons by Hagar, Sara and Keturah??
     
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    Why do you believe he did?

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    It is not a Muslim holy site, Muslim squatted on it to attempt to erase the Holy of Judaism and Christianity.

    It is time to restore the Temple of Solomon.
     
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    Because the Bible says he did.. Haven't you ever read the Bible?
     
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    Sure, but show me where.

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    And I would agree.

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    Genesis 17:23

    And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.
     
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    That is correct Ishamael was circumcised as were all males in Abrahams house.

    Then in 17:18-19 it says:

    " And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishamael might live before thee! And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son, indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and his seed after him. "

    And the decendants of Isaac are Israel. And to Israel is the land and the promises given. Not Ishamael. Not the Arabs.

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    Yes.. that was their claim.. and Abraham circumcised all his sons, just as Muslims continue to do.
     
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    The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult.

    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
     
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    They circumcise all they want to. They can't change the promises of God to Isaac and his decendants. Not to Ishamael and his decendants.

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    The Christian era?

    There was a tiny Bishopric on Tarut island and some Nestorian Christians in Najran that survived the burning by the Jewish king of Yemen .. but there wasn't any large Christian presence on the Arabian Penninsula.

    Mostly they were pagan Arabs and a few jewish tribes.

    However the early Muslims did align themselves with the Christian king of Ethiopia to protect the Christians of Najran.

    One of mohammed's first acts was to throw the idols out of the Kaaba whicgh infuriated the Jews... He got rid of all the icons except to the virgin mary.
     
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    This worship of allah, a false god, is still going in when in Mecca they go through the Kabbah and kiss the black stone. Allah is nothing more than their ancient pagan worship of the god of rocks. Muhammed just built on it.

    Quantrill
     
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