Jews have no rights on the Temple Mount

It is clearl Muslim worship a rock that is why the rock is place inside the kabbaa and Muslim refused to allow any scientific study on that rock because they are afraid that their thousand years of lies will be reveal.

Israel should relocate the al aqsa mosque somewhere in Saudi Arabia where it belong and restore the Temple Mount.

 

Allah is the ancient arabic word for god. Any god. Yes, the arabs were mostly pagans before the coming of Mohammed and the Ka'ba is supposedly the ancient remains of the pagan temple.

It was taken over as the grand mosque of Islam, to preserve the ancient cultural tradition of the hajj and the political and economic power that it bestowed on the various tribes in the vicinity.

Al Aqsa OTOH, was politically designated the third holiest site in Islam in the early 1900's by that wonderful guy the Grand Mufti. Prior to his brainstorm and fund-raising to jazz the site up, it was in a rather forlorn state of repair.

If in fact it is the "farthest mosque" where Mo ascended to heaven after taking his flying horse there one night, one would think that it would be mentioned somewhere on the qu'ranic passages and condemnations of infidels that appear on the walls all around the exterior and interior.

 

Yes, defy God and Gods choice of Israel.

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Yes, Muslims were pagan then and still are. They are still in their 'days of ignorance' because all Muhammed did was focus new names and theology on an old religion of rocks of whom Allah was the god.

The Kabbah and the black stone and Allah were all part of the pagan worship and it is still part of pagan worship.

The god of Islam is not the God of Israel.

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A lawyer is someone skilled in circumventing the law. A commentator is someone skilled in using a label to ignore a truth. And a denier of Palestinians is a denier of Israelis.

 

No. A denier of Palestinians is one who denies that Palaestinians are not Arabs. There were no Palestinians until Israel came back to its land. Then the Arabs become 'Palestinians'.

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese.

" Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existance of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interssts demand that we posit the existance of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, J0ordon, which is a sovering statte, with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordon. "

( from interview with Dutch newpaper 'Trouw', with PLO Executive Committee member Zuhuyr Muhsin , March 31, 1977)

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Well then according to your logic all those pagan rituals incorporated into Christianity means all christians are pagan worshippers too.

yaweh=jehovah=allah

 

I agree there was not a distinct "palestinian" people back in the day. Just like there wasn't a distinct Iraqi people, or Syrian people or Jordanian people. They all came about by a bunch of imperialists drawing lines on a map. They were all arabs weren't they?

The fact is that even if there wasn't a distinct palestinian people in 1948, there is now. In fact both the UN and Israel in its occupation policies have defined them.

So a 40 year old argument which might have had traction back then has been completely overtaken by "facts on the ground".

 

Logic? Not hardly. Islam is the worship of allah who is the god of rocks of the days of ignorance. Logic has nothing to do with it.

Any pagan rituals brought in to Christianity are judged to be wrong by the Word of God. The worship of allah on the other hand is accepted in all of Islam. He is the god of rocks.

Allah is not Jehovah. Allah is not God. You only wish the God of Israel was the god of the Arabs. But He isn't. The God of Israel is the living God.

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The 'facts on the ground' are that the Arabs will do whatever it takes to keep the Jews away from their homeland, Israel.

The Arabs hate Israel, not because they came back to the land, but because they are the chosen of God. And the Arabs from Ishamael were not chosen of God.

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Not according to Muslims. My neighbor is Muslim .. He and his family worship the God of Abraham.

The Angel Gabriel dictated the Koran to Mohammad.

The Bible was way before Christianity. Which God to Christians worship ?

Two facts:

Ishmael was Abrahams first born child.
Muslims worship the God of Ishmael's father.

 

It doesn't matter what the Muslilm or Arab says about Abraham. They do not worhip the God of Abraham. Genesis is clear that God chose Isaac. What does your neighbor say about God choosing Isaac? Not that I don't know, but be sure and check with your neighbor.

Islam can follow the Koran and believe whatever they like. Except they cannot say they follow the God of Abraham. And they cannot say Allah is the God of Abraham. Allah is the god of rocks.

Christians worship the God of the Bible.

Ishmael was first born, so? He was not the chosen. Isaac was.

No, Muslims do not worship the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham chose Isaac. If Muslims worshipped God they wouldn't hate Israel. They wouldn't have the Koran. They would reject Muhammed as a false prophet.

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Why is the western wall holy to anyone else but a Jew? What does it mean to a muslim or christian?

 

The Western Wall is holy to the Jew because it is a real reminder of the temple that was there once where they used to serve and worship God. A marker in history showing they were here and God was with them.

To me, a Christian,the Wall is important because it reflects the same. It is an historical marker going back to the days when the temple existed. Though, this wall is only a foundational wall, it was still existant with the temple.

To the Muslim, I doubt it has any significance at all. Why would it?

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As soon as you bring the Old Testament into an argument you go from relying on fact and logic to relying on fairy tales. A fundamentalist of any stripe, be he Christian or Muslim or Jew, is someone who voluntarily lets their brain be sucked out of their head and installs misunderstood religious claptrap in its place. The Quran says that Muslims are the Chosen of God, and they believe it just as much as the Jews and the Christians do.

 

I know why its holy to Jews. I dont get why its holy to Christians.

Id say the Sepulcher is more significant

 

Ezra , I can't understand what's holy abt a pile of rocks , supposedly the a wailing wall , the remains of a (2nd hand temple ) built by a very unsavoury character called Herod .
The average Jew was never allowed to set inside the inner sanctum, (Gawd alone + - those corrupt -unwashed Pharisees, knew what went on there)

Before the first temple was modelled on pagan layout + built - by pagan Phoenician craftsmen sent by pagan King Hiram of Tyre on a site of a former pagan shrine -was in fact a Jebusite shrine dedicated to the worship of the gods of the fertility of the fields.
The Biblical story suggests that the plague ended only after an altar to the Hebrew god Yahweh/ELohim was built on the site of the shrine dedicated to the Jebusite god Shalem.

Looks like Shalem was there first and Yahweh usurped Shalem's throne .

One thing you can be certain of there are no ANGELS in that profane /unholy land. .

 

Your post border on anti-semitic rhetoric.

Go (*)(*)(*)(*) yourself

 

Of course logic has nothing to do with it. What was I thinking.

My God's bigger'n yer God, My God's bigger'n yers.
My God's bigger cause he eats devil rations
My God's bigger'n yers.

 

What does God chosing Isaac have to do with who Muslims worship. God did not choose Christians but they worship the God of Abraham.

It is great that Muslims worship the God of Abraham even though God favored Israel more.

Allah is the God of Abraham .. according to Islam.

Muslims believe in the Bible.
Muslims revere all the OT prophets and Jesus as well.

LOL .. your argument is a logical fallacy and plain ignorant of the world around you.

Catholic and Orthadox Christians "Croations vs Serbs". Both worship the same God but they hate each other.

By your logic these folks could not worship the same God.

Catholics persecuted Jews for over 1000 years. By your logic Catholics do not worship the same God as the Jews.

By your logic .. "YOU" do not worship the same God as the Jews.

Silly fellow.

 

Well, he's demonstrated he's no theologian.

 

If you want to ignore the religion of the Muslim, Jew, or Chistian, go ahead. But you will not be able to address the problem without confronting it. And your skeptical reasoning offers no solution.

The point being made here, is that God of the Jew is not the god of Islam. Its not just both worshipping God in their own way. The Muslim can worship whatever he likes. But don't say its the same God.

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Its a historical marker of that time.

The Sepulcher is more significant, but really we don't know where it is. The one they identify as the Sepulcher is possible of course, but we don't know.

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HO-HO-HO , SO YOU DONT LIKE WHAT I'VE SAID - hehehe

Looks like I've scored a hi. is that really the best you can do ? All I've done is state a few historical verifying facts , how is that "anti-semitic" ?

It sounds like you havent undestood what I've said . Read my post again,, go on stretch yourself, or go learn how to use a search engine.

Darlin, why the feck do people like you often resort to the slur of calling everyone who dont buy yr crap as "Anti-semitic " ? when you cant handle any views opposed to yours ?


However , its no skin off my fikkin nose. sweetie. np hard feelings, I'm used to your kind.


shalom L'chayim . or just go drop dead, . who cares .

cheers.

 

Are you saying the Muslim will deny that God chose Isaac but will worship the God of Abraham? They don't.

Allah is the ancient god of rocks that Muhammed simply attactched to his new theology. Allah has nothing to do with Abraham.

If Muslims believed the Bible they wouldn't hate Israel. They would recognize Isaac as the chosen. Ask your neighbor. Does he recognize that God chose Isaac and not Ishmael as the one in whom the promises were to be found. They may tell you they believe the Bible, but thats only the Bible that Muhammed and they have changed and rewritten to form to the Arab people.

Serbs and Croats can go to war over many different things and can still worship the same God if indeed they do worship the same God. That is not the same as the Jew and the Arab. These are specifically two separated peoples that came from Abraham in whom the promises travel. They go to one son only. That being Isaac. This is the source of the troubles between Israel and the Arabs.

I as a Christian do worship the God of the Jews. I recognize the Old Testament as the Word of God. I recognize the promises given to Israel.

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