Jews have no rights on the Temple Mount

They don't worship the rock, silly.

But, their legends state that the rock was part of the first altar built by Abraham and Ishmael in Mecca.

Are you claiming that Jews worship the wall of the fortress antonia or a rocky outcrop called Temple mount rather than God?

 

They most certainly were subjected to Arab massacres, expulsions and persecution going back to the time of Muhammad, not to mention being reduced to the status of second-class dhimmis.

Pick up a History book now and then and spare us your revisionist nonsense...

 

Allah is the pagan god. He is not the God of Abraham. Its the old worship of rocks. Their legends are as trustworthy as your statements.

Islam is still in the 'days of ignorance' and don't know it.

Quantrill

 

All gods are false gods. They are nothing more than the products of the minds of men in an effort to gain power and control the sheeple.

And it has certainly worked, as the plethora of religions, and the men fighting "for" those religions have pretty well trashed what might have been an almost decent world.

Imo, The god of any religion is actually Satan....and the gullible are too thick to see it.......but only Satan and his adherents would be supporting what is going on in this world today.

Would anyone like to prove me wrong?

 

The jews were in a fury because they made a lot of money selling idols and running the pilgrim trade to Mecca.. They attacked Muslims and broke treaties... so yes they left or converted.

Dhimmi isn't second class.. It just means an able bodied man can pay a small tax to avoid military service..

Non muslims didn't have to pay the other taxes that observant Muslims paid.

The Christians of Najran were dhimmis.. protected from further massacres by the Jewish king of Yemen.

 

The Jew and Arab problem does not involve whether God exists or not. Tell the Muslim he doesn't exist. Tell the Jew he doesn't exist.

The distincition being made is that the Arab in his worship of God is not worshipping the God of Abraham. That is what is being proved. Not whether God exists or not.

Quantrill

 

You haven't proven a thing.. Muslims worship the Creator.. the God of Abraham and they should know.....

 

The God of Abraham is not allah who is worshipped in a box by kissing a rock. That is of the 'days of ignorance' of the Arabs. They are still there.

Just because Arabs come from Abraham doesn't mean they are worshipping the God of Abraham.

Quantrill

 

Silly.. the rock is just part of an ancient altar.. built by Abraham.

 

Not so. The rock is part of the Arabs 'days of ignorance' . Shame they never came out of it.

Quantrill

 

And what I am saying that any God which presides over a world as it is today, and will theoretically accept, forgive and even elevate to sit on his right hand all those ********'s (and you know who you are) who use the existence of their version of God to permit them to trash the world for everybody whether they have religion or not, are not worshipping a God, they are worshipping pure evil.

I'm not arguing the existence of God...I am arguing the goodness of God...and as a result the goodness of those who believe in him...whether they be Christian, Jew, Muslim or any other of the various sects of "Abraham's offspring"

Because anyone without religion is hard pushed to understand the difference between religion and Satanism as to the consequences to those who don't believe in the same or any God.

 

Its called the TIME of the ignorance... and that was a lapsed period.

Why do you suppose that mother Eve was buried in Jeddah long before the time of Mohammed?

 

Well when dealing with the Jews and Arabs you have to take in consideration their written revelations from God. You have to address it. You can't just say the goodness of God will fix all yalls problems.

And that is why the argument was being made that the claim of Islam to worship the same God as the Jews was not correct.

Quantrill

 

Actually it hasn't lapsed. Else they wouldn't be kissing that rock.

Quantrill

 

Its no different than Jews praying at the Wailing Wall...

 

Big difference. the Muslims worship a rock in Mecca which is idol worship butt the Whaling wall is only a place of prayer.

 

And Catholics kiss the crucifix on their rosaries.

They don't worship a rock.. its simply a relic of the earliest altar built by Abraham.

The conflict isn't about religion.. Never has been.. The conflict is about entitlement and theft.

 

Islam worships the God of Abraham .. Go read the Koran if you have any doubts.

They view themselves children of Abraham through the line of Ishmael .. and they worship the God of Ishmaels father Abraham.

Allah = The God of Abraham.

Islam is the religion of the child of Abraham .. more specifically .. the "first born" child of Abraham.

The children of Israel get second place in that contest.

 

Temple Mount is The HOliest site to Jews. It is the Third holiest site to muslims. And even the muslim authority or whatever they're called have abandoned the Temple Mount because of the violence that goes on there. Jews are attacked, denied admittance, have boulders dropped on them. The muslims have the dirt dug out from the Temple Mount area under the dome of the rock and take the dirt to a dump site. That dirt contains artifacts from the era that the jews inhabited the area and the the temple was built under Solomon. This is just pure evil.

According to the Bible (Genesis 22:1-14), God told Abraham to bring his son, Isaac, to the land of Moriah (meaning “Chosen by Yah”) and offer him as a sacrifice on a mountain there. As Abraham was about to complete the sacrifice, God stopped him and provided a ram as a substitutionary sacrifice. In this same location, nearly 1000 years later, God led Solomon to build the First Temple (2 Chronicles 3:1). David had identified this location as the place for worshiping God because it was here the plague was stayed when he confessed his sin, and he purchased it so he could build an altar (1 Chronicles 21:18-26). Solomon’s Temple stood until the Babylonians destroyed it in 586 BC. Zerubbabel led the efforts to build the Second Temple, which was completed in 516 BC, then enlarged by Herod the Great in 12 BC. The Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70, fulfilling Jesus' words in Mark 13:1-2.

Clearly the Jews have a stronger claim on the location and the land than the devilish ISlamists. While all the above was taking place, it was 1300 years before the birth of Mohammad.

 

Jesus said that the fig tree would no longer bear fruit.. He was talking about Judiasm... as it was practiced.. Blood sacrifice and such.

Remember that the Temple was destroyed by Titus and what led up to that exactly 40 years (one generation) after the crucifixion.

Is the Temple Mount a form of ancient idolatry for the Jews? Rabbinic Judaism was born AFTER the notion of animal sacrifice at the Temple.

 

at first reading of your post i thought your last sentence may have some merit but upon reading the passage again from the Bible, I reject your analysis.

 

It is different. Islam gets its name for god from the 'days of ignorance' god Allah who was nothing but a god of rocks. Muhammed simply identified the god of his new religion with this Allah.

Islam and the Arabs are still in the 'days of ignorance'.

Quantrill

 

Islam doesn't worship the God of Abraham. They worship the god of rocks. Thats what allah was and is.

Muhammed only made a religion for the Arab people. Took their god of rocks and added and changed what little he knew in the Bible to fit the Arab peoples.

The Bible was way before Muhammed. The Bible is clear that the promises are in Isaac the child of promise. They are not in Ishamael who is the child of the slave woman.

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There were also no Palestinians back then.

 

Excellent!

That is why Islam was created in order to defy God once more.