Just buffoonery, or something worse?

The primary charge Bragg is looking at is a misdemeanor bookkeeping charge which is a nonsense charge that won't get him anywhere. In order to make that charge become a felony and make the prosecution of an ex-President worthwhile he needs to couple it with another charge. That additional charge he's looking to claim was committed in conjunction with the primary charge is a federal crime, not a state crime of not properly reporting a campaign expense. Nobody has been able to cite a single time a NY prosecutor has attempted to use a federal crime in state court in this manner and is dubious on its face.

The irony is that John Edwards paid his mistress's hush fund money out of campaign expenses and the DoJ prosecuted him saying it should not have been a campaign expense. Trump's attorneys must have learned from that and didn't make it a campaign expense. Bragg is charging him with a federal crime of not classifying his NDA as a campaign expense, and instead paying it out of non-campaign funds and classifying it as a legal expense.

This whole charade is a joke and an abuse of prosecutorial power.

 

It's up to you to explain how and why you have conflicting views on ignoring Congressional subpoenas based on the politics of the individual who received the subpoena.

No, I don't want you to try to change the subject or inject fallacies into the conversation. Why would I? That's not a good debate strategy. I'm calling out two very specific examples of your hypocritical views that are directly related to your position in this thread.

You have cheered on Bragg, in this thread and others, for saying he will ignore a Congressional subpoena because he states that it is not part of any active piece of legislation.

Yet, you have a bazillion posts on this forum where you cheered Bannon being held in contempt for doing exactly what Bragg said he would do and for the exact same reason.

Here is one such thread you started as an example:
http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/bannon-convicted.602036/

I've already said I disagree with the House Committee abusing their power against Bragg. I think Congress needs a reset on this. Hopefully, Bannon appealing his conviction will force the courts to step in and put a stop to it.

 

I don't know what you think is a sane energy policy. Ignoring global warming isn't sane, but the same can be said about expecting we can quickly turn away from fossil fuels. We don't have the generating or delivery capacity to move quickly to electric cars and electric heat for our homes, especially when environmentalists oppose natural gas generation of electricity.

Unless and until we go after employers who hire illegals, we won't be able to stop illegal immigration. Half of illegals overstayed a visa. They came through the front door, just like the relatives who won't leave.

No, but Trump is a reckless political opportunist who seems to have little understanding of other cultures and their histories.

Go down the list of countries and look at their percentages of world GDP. We still have the ability to impose our will on Russia and China, but only if we work with countries interested in human rights and free market capitalism.

Why do you think neutral countries like Finland and Sweden want to join NATO? China has set out to dominate as much of Asia as possible. Russia is again interested in Eastern Europe and parts of the Middle East.

Russia and China are truly the forces of darkness. If we become isolationist, India and the EU could move from our side to theirs.

Details? What is Trump going to do if Iran gets the bomb? North Korea has it now.

This is a terrible idea. Bush, Obama and Trump failed to stop Putin. China has been using mercantilist policies to extend their influence in Asia, Africa and South America.

I won't support an isolationist. There is way too much at risk.

Reagan was an outsider. They don't like Trump because he's polarizing society.

I wonder if most Americans share the Trump GOP vision for the country.

 

Have you considered Democrats may be happy to poke a stick in Trump's cage?

 

What about SF? They booted out the DA who went too far in going easy on criminals.

Independents tend to be in the middle and there are lots of them.

 

Sane energy policy? Ask Trump, he had one

The old saw about we can't have a workable border control system unless we shift our focus to employers here doesn't wash. If you leave the door open and advertise everyone is welcome then I suppose you'd have a point. We can control illegal entry if that was what the government wanted to do. This government does not.

Green cards should not be a back door but if they can overstay with no penalty that is what we get. Fix the failed guest worker system. Again, that has to be a policy and today it is not. This is not a main source of illegals getting here though. Crossing illegally is.

Talking can avoid misunderstanding and regular contact keeps positions updated. Trump did that.

Reagan was no outsider. He was very popular. At that point in time there was really no outsider. There was not that much difference in the two parties and their goals and direction, People in government actually liked each other.

 

Sure, there are people who voted for Trump or Biden on that basis. Maybe most, on or the other.

 

No, I think we're sick of it.

 

You asserted I was pleased with Dem's prior abuse of power. I asked you how they abuse it. You haven't answered. A deficit you folks on the Right seem to have that is pervasive. That is, not being able to substantiate your claims.

 

I don't need a source, but I think some people do.

Geezuz. Put your stuff behind a paywall.

 

Didn't you already bring this up?

Look

 

Well, I happen to think Roe v. Wade was a bad decision and that SCOTUS should have ruled any law limiting abortion is unconstitutional.

It should have been.

 

I answered and provided a link. You're just ignoring it because it doesn't help your position.

 

Public opinion was in a much different place at the time the Roe ruling came down.

 

He forgot about climate change.

Half of illegals overstayed a visa. We welcomed them in. It would be easy to implement an electronic system employers could check on employability with a cellphone.

We don't because employers don't want to give up their cheap labor.

That's what the electronic visa would do.

We need to check on employers to hunt down illegals overstaying a visa or ran the border.

We understand each other quite well. Trump was ineffective. He left Putin with his theft of the Crimea and continuing to attack in the Donbas.

He was governor of California, his only other public office. Yes, he was an outsider. He was also a clever pol who didn't try to remake Washington.

Eisenhower wasn't a pol and he managed to work from the inside, too.

You want popular? Dwight Eisenhower. The Korean War was dragging on and the former Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during WW2 said he would end it. He did, too. Reagan was never as popular as Ike.

 

You want popular? Dwight Eisenhower. The Korean War was dragging on and the former Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during WW2 said he would end it. He did, too. Reagan was never as popular as Ike.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't what we were discussing, you brought Reagan up and I told you he was popular, his elections were not even close.

I like Ike

 

You have never been alone.

 

Is there such thing as a Political IQ Test?

For example; If I were to list 100 claims Trump made, 50 True, and 50 False, and then, I would ask his MAGA’s to identify his false claims.

Question; What would be the best score?

IMO, 1 out of 50, and that’s because the most common mental illnesses in America is partisanship, and partisan politics makes smart people stupid, and stupid people brainless.

 

Public opinion shouldn't make any difference when it comes to properly interpreting the law though.

 

Public opinion is very influential because it's what elects politicians. Abortion should have always been through the legislature but it would never have passed. Public opinion again.

 

I had one of those buttons for his reelection but I voted for Reagan twice.

 

The role of the Supreme Court is not to make law that can't pass through the legislature.

 

That is all pretty much true. Reagan did do a surprisingly good job of wooing the blue collar Democrats.

Bush didn't screw up the economy, but as president he had to take the heat for it. The Tea Party didn't really go too far. All the folks they successfully put in power, like Boehner, turned on them and set out to destroy their influence and mend fences with Obama.

Trump did an extraordinary superlative job combating COVID. But it was a disaster anyway and the president always gets the blame.

I agree the Democrat party is lock step on the far left, but I think the Republicans are a mixed bag -- some far right, most wanting congeniality.

 

A crowning achievement of duplicity and deceit which started the era of millions of people voting against their own interests.

 

Like hell he did.

"Trump told Bob Woodward he knew in February that COVID-19 was 'deadly stuff' but wanted to 'play it down'

"It's not just old people," Trump told Woodward, acknowledging the gravity of the disease, The Washington Post reported."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...odward-he-knew-february-covid-19-was-n1239658