Just buffoonery, or something worse?

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rod must have said that to get a reaction. Everyone knows the government's response to COVID under Trump failed on multiple fronts. Finished off by Don completely dropping the ball on the distribution of the vaccine because he was too busy spreading the Big Lie, orchestrating a coup, and playing golf.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    You have no clue about the best way for a top official to handle a looming crisis. Then in short order it was not looming and you would call a presidential lengthy daily briefing on national television "playing it down"?????
     
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    What would have happened if he announced it was the end of humanity? Trump did a great job responding to what governors said they needed and he didn't promote panic.
     
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    You tell "we the people" the ****ing TRUTH.
    He knew in February it was deadly ,highly contagious and more dangerous than the flu.
    Yet according to the self-serving lying pathetic excuse for a leader it would soon miraculously just disappear.
    Was it by Easter in April? LOL
    Trump stopped his chaotic daily briefings because the media fact checked and questioned all his dangerous rambling.


    "Trump, speaking to reporters Wednesday afternoon, said he'd been trying to avoid "panic" and was showing "leadership."

    "We have to show calm," he said. "Certainly I'm not going to drive this country or the world into a frenzy. We want to show confidence. We have to show strength."

    He sidestepped a question about whether lives could have been saved if he had been more forthright about the dangers posed by the virus.

    "I think if we didn't do what we did, we'd have had millions die," Trump said.

    Of his approach, Trump said, "We don't want to go around screaming, 'Look at this, look at this.'"

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...odward-he-knew-february-covid-19-was-n1239658
     
  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This isn't it.

    ‘We Were Helpless’: Despair at the C.D.C. as the Pandemic Erupted

    In early March 2020, as the nation succumbed to a pandemic, a group of young scientists walked out of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. They left quietly, one or two at a time, through the building’s front doors, flashing their badges at guards, instead of through side exits where their departures would be recorded. Gathering in a small park across the street, they stood with their coffees in hand and agonized over some shocking developments.

    All through February 2020, agency scientists had been gathering evidence that the new coronavirus was being spread by people without symptoms. In early March, the C.D.C. said that any employee who had been deployed elsewhere to track Covid-19 must isolate at home for 14 days, whether or not he or she had symptoms.

    To the scientists gathered outside, trainees in the agency’s vaunted Epidemic Intelligence Service, the implication was clear: C.D.C. leaders realized that the virus was being spread not just by people who were coughing and sneezing, but also by people who were not visibly ill. But the agency had not yet warned the public.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/21/...te=1&user_id=fecdfdffdaaa11107b72f0f4f6e429cc

    Neither is this.

    Trump said he wants to keep Grand Princess cruise passengers on the ship so that US coronavirus numbers don't 'double.' That strategy failed in Japan.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...grand-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-2020-3
     
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    Every one of those "terrible lies" were part of the best options had available at the time. What was he to do, tell everyone to wear masks that weren't available and also useless?
     
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    Never supported for Reagan for President because of his anti-abortion position. He was pro-choice when he was governor. I won't even consider voting for a pol who would turn women into second class citizens.
     
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    Your question is a ridiculous deflection.
    Trump and governors has zilch to do with it.
    From the get-go Trump knowingly lied to us people knowing damn well the virus was highly contagious and DEADLY.

    Trump FAILED BIGLY and as always didn't give a **** about others just how he perceives something reflects on him.

    "This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert O’Brien told Trump on Jan. 28, according to the book. “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”
     
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    Trump undermined governors trying to get people to socially distance, something that does work, especially with the early covid variants. When he did, his popularity tanked and never recovered.

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    The first crisis of his Presidency and Trump wasn't up to the job.
     
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    Did you even read his quotes or listen to his audio from Woodwards book?
    The info he had on the virus, which proved to be true, he deliberately held back,
    Trump is the one who caused panic and deaths and more and more panic and more and more deaths.
    Had people known what he knew they had the choice to take precautions to protect themself and their families, especially the elderly and medically compromised adults and children.
     
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    Trump did his job and did it well. He worked in a media **** storm attacking him but he responded to every request Governors made, some of which were over stated.
     
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    No, I paid attention to the whole thing as it developed live. Why would I want to let some out of context quotes from a hostile press replace what we all had the chance to see live?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope.

    The biggest errors the Trump administration made in response to COVID
    https://fortune.com/2020/11/13/covid-trump-administration-mishandling-mistakes-coronavirus/

    5 Ways the Trump Administration’s Policy Failures Compounded the Coronavirus-Induced Economic Crisis
    https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...mpounded-coronavirus-induced-economic-crisis/

    The inside story of how Trump’s denial, mismanagement and magical thinking led to the pandemic’s dark winter
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/trump-covid-pandemic-dark-winter/

    This may be the most comprehensive of all the examinations of Capt. COVID's failures.

    A detailed timeline of all the ways Trump failed to respond to the coronavirus
    https://www.vox.com/2020/6/8/21242003/trump-failed-coronavirus-response
     
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    I strongly disagree. He created the banking crisis by failing to regulate risk taking, crooked loans and packaging up fraudulent loans as AAA commercial paper (note the volume of securitized loans):

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    The tea party was coopted by rich people on the political right--traditional, big money Republicans--who rejected the populist, anti-corporate Tea Party message. I remember the turning point was a $500-a-plate "Tea Party" dinner where the real Tea Party organizers weren't invited.
    He was okay, not great, until he undermined governors trying to implement social distancing.
    Both parties are too far from the political center.
     
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    He did, at first, but then he encouraged people to defy social distancing measures. The American people never forgave him.

    Old Joe then cooked his goose by declaring the pandemic was over in mid-2021 when...

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    Old Joe has always suffered Foot-in-Mouth disease.

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    Covid was the third rail of American politics until Omicron.
     
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    To the initiated this is what they call "learning."
     
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    the 2007-2008 banking crises was a direct result of the Community Reinvestment Act especially and greatly aggravated by the steroids Clinton pumped into it. I don't know that Bush was terribly effective in heading it off or handling it, but he and Sen. McCain tried very hard in 2006 IIRC to get some regulation into the whole financial derivatives business but were thwarted by Sen. Dodd.
    This is true and pretty much what I said, though I think it was more throwing under the bus than co-opting.
    Bush was very appropriately trying to stymie the authoritarian socialistic drive some governors were striving for under the cover of COVID.
     
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    What cost Trump is not so much what he did or didn't do as what the one way media said he did or didn't do.
     
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    Yep!
     
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    This all happened on Dubya's watch...

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    It was nearly over by 2007 when Democrats had taken control of Congress. Home prices peaked in mid-2006.

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    What did Bush have to do with covid?

    Bush screwed up the economy and as good as put Obama in the White House.
     
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    He failed right in front of us on tv. We didn't need the talking heads to tell us the guy didn't know what he was talking about.
     
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    He didn't fail anything. You just accepted all the talking points that Democrats handed the media personnel. for their broadcasts.
     
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    As the number of coronavirus cases ticked upward in mid-November — worse than the frightening days of spring and ahead of an expected surge after families congregated for Thanksgiving — four doctors on President Trump’s task force decided to stage an intervention.

    After their warnings had gone largely unheeded for months in the dormant West Wing, Deborah Birx, Anthony S. Fauci, Stephen Hahn and Robert Redfield together sounded new alarms, cautioning of a dark winter to come without dramatic action to slow community spread.

    White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, among the many Trump aides who were infected with the virus this fall, was taken aback, according to three senior administration officials with knowledge of the discussions. He told the doctors he did not believe their troubling data assessment. And he accused them of outlining problems without prescribing solutions.


    Of his dozens of mistakes the failure to take the warning of the medical staff changed the course, for the worse, of the US response.
     
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    Where did you find this gem? What did this committee want Trump to do that he had not done? We were spacing in lines, taught how to sneeze and cough into our elbows, told to use hand sanitizer and avoid contact. All this while we had trouble finding paper to wipe our butts and were told masks were not effective (because we couldn't buy them anyway). How was Trump to blame for any of that? Trump was blaming China and Nancy was inviting everyone to come to China Town for dinner. Turns out Trump was right. Until one brave hairdresser in thew Dallas area defied the craziness nobody could get a haircut except Nancy Pelosi.
     
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