La Repubblica: Psychiatrist Bruno: gays - "sick, mentally ill people"

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  1. DevilMay

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    Of all places to "fight" gay equality, San Francisco seems the most silly. If you were born there, fair enough... But the fact you immigrated to the US and actually chose it as your home is incredible. It's know as the most gay-friendly city in the world. It boggles the mind that you actually aspired to live there with the views you have... Unbelievable!!

    You have no chance of winning anything in SF. Obviously you cannot be as anti-gay as you would have us believe since you chose to live there.


    The whole world is not anti-gay. The countries that are I would have no desire to visit anyway. Most of them are holes.
     
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    I keep bringing it up because you keep bringing up the fact that gay sex is not natural because it doesn't lead to procreation. Neither does the use of contraception or sterilizing ones self. So if you are going to say that gay sex is a mental illness because it doesn't lead to procreation, then so too must be the use of contraception and sterilization procedures. Sure, a heterosexual can stop using contraception and reproduce, just as a gay person can reproduce as well. This is not such a dramatic difference in terms of the ability to procreate.
     
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    So if the behaviors you support make it so that you do not reproduce, then you are dooming society and are therefore mentally ill.

    You hear that you catholic priests and nuns? You're all mentally ill.
    Any of you people who decided not to have children for whatever personal reasons? Ya, something's wrong with you and you should seek treatment.
    Decided to get sterilized? The ultimate act of insanity, dooming the species.

    Using contraception or otherwise avoiding pregnancy? You are borderline mentally ill and could be dooming the species - you should reproduce more so that we can out-produce the colored people who are taking over the country. If you don't, our country will be lost to us.

    And then there's those homosexuals who have reproduced. You're alright in martin's book.
     
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    Who exactly is conducting this war against us? All this time, I thought of the third world as rather insubstantial in our politics... little did I know, they were there, creating and driving the feminism movement all along. No, surely it can't be the third world, but perhaps someone else?

    And immigration is not exactly something new, the US has seen heavy immigration since before its creation. As for birth rates, it's really not a competition. We don't need to "out produce" other races. All species reach a plateau, it's a fact of biology. Technically speaking, we already have - if it were not for the artificial nitrogen we produce, the world would not be able to grow enough food to sustain even the population we already have. Birth rates are made up for by death rates, immigration is made up by controls on who can immigrate, and there's really nothing wrong with the mixing of races to begin with.

    I mean, unless you're a white supremacist.
     
  5. Johnny-C

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    Amen to that!
     
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    Why, have you asked them all? And do you expect them to be honest?
     
  7. martin_777

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    Why it’s the most silly? It’s the cleverest – you hunt the beast in its lair. It's important to take the beast's head off, not legs or arms.
    You want me to think that I have no chance and give up. I wont. Remember that.



    No, it is, it is. It’s about 50% of people don’t support “gay rights”, in the US, the country with the most heaviest gay propaganda and with the laws, that punish people who don’t want to tolerate gays. According to just 1 source. What in it’s turn, makes it questionable. In other countries there is no such propaganda, so what do we see? They have excellent birth rate! Gay people are criminalized and even hanged!(I don't propose it, BTW, segregation would be just fine for me, you are not responsible being born with screwed up reproductive function)
    Why they are holes? Because they are not biased against gays?
     
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    You are trying to relate sex, which is a biological, reproductive function with some other fields of human activity, like social activity.
    Lets take skydiving. It’s not a biological law/function and skydiving is not designed for some particular situation, like sex is designed for man and woman. Majority of people also don’t find skydiving disgusting, there are no protests against skydivers, no bulling, no laws to punish people who don’t like them. So, majority of people don’t find it wrong, unlike they hang gays in certain countries or making it a crime.

    Let’s consider now some biology-related events. If one person scratching out his own eyes or commits a suicide – it’s unnatural and it means that he is messed up, right? He goes against the biological law as self-preservation, which is programmed in biological species. Now consider people who engaging in sexual activity the same sex. Sex is a biological function, based on reproductive law of the biology, designed for having it strictly between the opposite sexes. If all humans start engage in the same sex activity we will all disappear as a biological species.
    So, it’s obvious now that people who are gays or fighting for “gay rights” are mentally ill or maybe they are simply evil. And unlike skydiving, majority of people do find gays and what they do evil, disgusting, they bull them, hang them, there are protests, laws forcing people to coexist with them, etc.

    As I said, usage of condoms and sterilization is natural. It’s natural to protect yourself form diseases and your possible future kids from life in a misery. Imagine people would have 50-100 kids in a lifetime. You won’t be able to care about such number of kids. They will suffer or die. A female should protect herself from such of burden as giving birth. So, biological law as self-preservation is in place here. So, is natural.

    Race mixing of white with others is simply wrong, because white man invented almost everything you see around. Car, plane, electicity, TV, Radio, X-rays, antibiotics, computers, etc. It’s not Nazism, it’s just a common sense to keep the race which invents and creates jobs (as a result of his inventions), instead of depressing our birth rate with feminism and “gay rights”.

    Gays can’t procreate, don’t fool around. Does a male have a vagina??? Are you a retard? Soon I will give up on you.

    Also, you acknowledged yourself, that gays are screwed up people! Why don't you just keep up with this and spend a little money for discussion of your mentally messed up reproductive system. If I were you, I would fly to Bruno and find out why gays are so screwed up. :mrgreen:
    I am just trying to help you to find yourself.

    You fail.
     
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    Wow! Your commentary is disgusting, racist FILTH!

    There is no doubt in my mind, that I don't have to challenge anymore of what you say here in this forum; other decent people will readily see that you aren't worth seriously regarding.

    You've made my "ignore list".

    Peace to you.
     
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    Want to correct myself.

    In: A female should protect herself from such of burden as giving birth.

    I wanted to say: A female should protect herself from such of burden as giving birth to 100 kids. Her body will look like (*)(*)(*)(*) and she can even die or wont live long
     
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    I am glad that you left me alone with your retard posts.
     
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    What chance do you think you have of achieving your goal of segregation from homosexuals - which isn't found anywhere except the countries that imprison or execute gay people - in the most pro-gay city in the world?

    I'm not saying don't try, I have no problem with you wasting your time. I'm just questioning the logic from your point of view. Makes as much sense to me as trying to introduce same-sex marriage in Iran...

    If being able to live in society alongside heterosexuals is a "gay right" in your view, then I'm pretty sure more than 95% of Americans support gay rights.

    You're confusing support for same-sex marriage (the ultimate gay right), with support in other areas like civil unions, military service, anti-discrimination legislation, hate crime legislation, legal sex, approval of gay relationships and so on... All of which have majority support in the US, some overwhelmingly. So it seems that "propaganda" has been effective (or people are just smart enough to realise who people love doesn't affect them in any way...)

    There's nothing wrong with the birthrate in any of the countries with "gay rights".

    You're asking me why sub-Saharan African countries and Middle-Eastern nations are holes..? Really?
     
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    Sometimes you have to go against odds. And I am man enough to do it.



    I don’t understand what you mean here. You just showed me that it’s around 50%, now you are sure that 95%??? I am lost.



    Lost again. You showed me a site where gays or they are marriages are supported by around 50% in US. What is an indication that I am confusing it with something else? I just said that 1 source is used for it. I can do that too, I can buy domain and show everybody a different picture of support, which will be in my favor. I’ve seen a lot of protests against gay marriages even in Bay Area. Believe me or not.



    Which ones are these?



    Saudi Arabia is a hole? Emirates is a hole? Maybe for you.
     
  14. DevilMay

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    Okay, tell me what your plan of action then is for introducing gay segregation in San Francisco. You going to build a wall around the Castro? Lol.

    I said 53% support same-sex marriage. That doesn't mean 47% of the US agrees with you. It all depends on what you consider a "gay right". In your case that would include the "right" to assimilate in society which I'm confident at least 95% would support. So in other words, you represent a tiny minority.

    Pfft... anyone can organise a protest. I'm not saying people who oppose SSM don't exist. They exist even in the Netherlands where a good 80% of society support gay marriage. A protest is indicative of very little in the way of public support/opposition to an issue in real terms.

    Here's a Gallup poll showing that 53% of Americans support SSM:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx

    Er... You tell me? You brought birth rates into it. I'm saying there's nothing wrong with the birth rate in pro-gay countries.

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    Yes for me. And unless you love Islam and Sharia law, you too.
     
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    Why I should tell you?



    According to you and even if I do represent a tiny minority, where I doubt, I wont give up fighting. I know that you want me to, but you are just some another screwed up individual for me.




    You already gave me this link. So what???


    So, you want me to find me a prove where you said that some pro-gay countries have a high birth rate?
    Almost every European county supports guy rights and absolutely every European country doesn’t criminalize it. And almost every European country has a either negative or barely positive birth rate. Compare it to Arabic countries, where it's criminalized, 3-5 kids is normal.



    We are not taking about you. They are rich and have a rich culture as well. Thier birth rate is booming, they don't rely on immigration, like UK(using as a last resort). So, your argument that “in poor countries people and politicians target gays for blaming for their own failures” is d*amn wrong! Right?
     
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    Hahaha... Yeah, right. There's NO WAY you're going to advance your crazy right-wing agenda in SF. If you think otherwise try humouring me with the details, otherwise you're just confirming to me and everyone else here you don't even have one. Fail.

    Mmmmhmm... You doubt you're a minority do you? Well if 53% of Americans support same sex marriage then straight away we know you're a minority in the country you live in. Of the remaining 47%, how many of those do you think share your view that gays should be segregated from the rest of society? Realistically...?

    I don't give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) whether you fight LGBT equality or not, I just laugh that you choose San Francisco as your battleground.

    Proves you are a minority. And if you're a tiny minority, how would you feel if the majority decided you were "undesirable" and wanted to segregate YOU?

    Prove it. Better yet, prove it has anything to do with tolerating gay rights. Last I checked the UK had 70 million people... That's a lot for a tiny island smaller than California. We already have one of the densest populations in the world.

    Families need only have 2 or 3 kids on average to sustain the population. Last I checked, no European "pro-gay" nation was experiencing decline. So don't know what your point is?

    The UK isn't "using" immigration to sustain our population. We are trying to curb it. That's why there's so much opposition here to what is regarded as our excessively lax immigration laws. People come here because it's a desirable place to live - unlike eastern European, African or most Middle Eastern countries. We don't need to it to boost our already crowded population on our tiny little island.(*)
     
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    Sorry - correction UK pop. is 62 million.
     
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    Attempt to bruise somebody’s feeling are not going to crack me on “what I am going to do”.

    I don’t give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what you think, my so deeply bothered friend. BTW, how do you know, if these 53%, who does support gay marriage (of course due to pro gay laws and propaganda, like "if you don't like gays - then you are a fascist and hater, will be fired from work, etc".), how do you know, maybe they do support gay marriage, but they would prefer to stay away from them?


    No, it doesn’t. There wouldn’t be any protests, there won’t be “gay rights” movements, there wouldn’t be any bulling, and you wouldn't be so bothered to convince me to give up fighting for my rights. You repeatedly failing on this topic, despite attacks from different angles.


    The prove is empirical and it’s too obvious. Feminism also has a lot to do with it. I am against that too.
    http://www.pregnantpause.org/numbers/fertility.htm
    Keep in mind that China has a special policy regarding a number of kids, since they already have too many people.
    So, as you see, predominant majority of white counties, where gay rights are not criminalized have less then 2 kids.
    You fail.

    I’ve been in UK and what I’ve seen doesn’t prove it. As I've seen, every major UK city is polluted with enourmouse amounts of Hindus, Paki, Africans, etc. In fact, I was even cheated by them ones in London, when I wanted to get English courses. I paid 550 pounds and didn't get anything. And I've being in some neighbourgoods, I can't even compair it to Russia, how shi*tty they are. BTW, I’ve personally heard that many people in UK, white people, are escaping it to Eastern Europe. Russia is not welcoming immigration at all, as you know, but they still coming from Northern Caucasus and Central Asia.
     
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    Please... explain why ANYONE should care what YOU think?
     
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    Are you back to troll me again? It's kinda nasty to tear out a part of the phrase from the context and ignore why I responded like this. This is why I am complaining on trolling. You are troll. Administators?

    I responded: "I don’t give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what you think, my so deeply bothered friend."

    On: "I don't give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) whether you fight LGBT equality or not, I just laugh that you choose San Francisco as your battleground."

    Thy guy was rude and he got a rude answer back. If administrators close the eyes on this, do you remember what I told you? I warned you.

    And answering your question "why someone should care". Where did I say, that someone should care? Who wants to care will care, who doesn't want - they won't care. Don't care. But you still care, since you said that you quit, but didn't, right? I am touching your nerves, do I? Like everybody elses. They write, that means they care, they are bothered.
     
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    Have you considered the effect of your words upon other human beings? (My question is a clue for you.)

    No, what you are doing is generally 'flame-baiting'. You seek an emotional response, based upon the tenor of your statements.

    Still, it is better if people RESPOND to your commentary, rather than react. In that, the topic relating to the mental health of homosexual people might be better discussed overall.
     
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    Of course, you are wrong. And if nothing else, many people and aspects of reality DISAGREE with you. And I'm not going to waste my time pinpointing all the irrational animus you've put into your select sets of commentary.

    What you're communicating is just plain DISGUSTING.
     
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    I don't care if you disagree with me. Who are you??? Some kind of black racist, who wants to eradicate whites gradually via reducing our birth rate?! "Gay rights" are predominantly white man's disease and you are the one who supports it's further development.

    I better listen to a reputable(!) Italian psychiatrist Bruno, who thinks the same way as me. So, who are you, so that I would listen to you??? NOBODY.

    Perish, foul power, perish....
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    I know better than to take you seriously; nothing personal.

    No. And I haven't ever met any person with goals such as that.

    Your bigotry is rather astounding.

    People should scrutinize every word you express here. And "Bruno" can be refuted readily by more reputable sources. There is virtually nothing to showing that guy is an irrational quack.

    Of course, you are far less than credible, quoting "Bruno".

    Get real, my man... GET REAL!!
     
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    - mumbled an old fart...


    So, why you then so fanatically supporting these mentally sick people?


    Your trolling is rather astounding.

    - mumbled an old fart... He wouldn't be published, if he wouldn't be reputable.


    You are making things up or hallucinating. Where ever did you see, that I claimed that? All I said that I 100% agree with Bruno, who is a definately a reputable psychiatrist in Italian university.


    Why don't you get real? Gays are getting emotionally hurt, because you are trolling me. Every time you troll like this, I do "Sieg Heil" in front of any gay couple I meet in San Francisco.

    Perish foil power, perish!
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