Libs, get a clue.It isn't Whites or racism holding Blacks down.

I thought I implied that with the "Or any race or individual, really" comment.

I do accept that, but at some point there comes a time where you gotta say "Okay, we weren't dealt a good hand to start, we gotta work harder to overcome it. Yeah, like every teenager says "It isn't fair!" and like every parent/teacher says in return, "Life isn't fair, deal with it!" To a degree, the message many Blacks have heard over and over again that they're the products of slaves and as such bear lesser responsibility for their own future because it's whitey's fault has been internalized to a degree that for many, accepting personal responsibility for stuff anyone else would do on an automatic basis is problematic.

I believe many Blacks need to internalize what Farrakhan is saying - at least the non-insane stuff - which is more or less what I stated above.

I don't have time to do so now - have chores and suchlike to do - but maybe later I'll speak of the vice-principal of the local school for problem children, who is Black himself, and how when a Black kid is sent to him how he brings some of the (Black) kids to tears screaming at them what they already have to face and how dare they disgrace themselves and their race even more with their behavior.

 

Yeah but given the lifetime of humans the effects are naturally longer lasting.

 

I was wrong it was over 50 years ago. It's time to move on.

 

Well in that case youd be speaking to why poor humans rather than races arent as organised and efficient as you and your class.

Indeed you wanted the blacks to have got over it all already, but since you arent black yourself you have no call to be saying such things. Instead you should love and accept them while focusing on why poor whites are as poor as they are, that would help them and the blacks alot more.

 

Um no not all, by your reasoning the reason she was poor is still possibly because her parents were just lazy.

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No its not. What are you going to say to counter that?

 

Hmmmm, how many of those black unwed mothers do you actually have dealings with? I will admit this is a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

So are you saying that men should have control of a woman's body.

Would that be the same moral code that allowed folks to be treated as animals or cattle. Would it be the same moral code that allowed folks to be beaten, tortured, lynched, etc. Would that be the same moral codes that allowed folks to be treated as 3rd class citizens. Would that be the same moral codes that allowed some folks to treat the family pet better than they would some folks who lived across town.

Morals back in the day only applied when you were dealing with certain folks.

When was it really the good guy?

Who is the gov't doing that for, who are they redistributing your wealth to?

 

Good for you, but blacks dont have the same familial history as you whatever school any of you went to.

You may whine, you may not. Either way you seek to make easy comparison between yourself and the blacks in our school. It not so easy.

Indeed but the success of your community is indeed built on someone else history. Your obviously a good example but did everyone in your community have the same wonderful experience as you? If not then why?

And your parents, were they poor because they were lazy or some other reason?

Before you start explaining another community perhaps you should start explaining the economic history of your own.

Indeed its up to the individual but you wish to partake on the experience of a particular racial community. Thats a macro concept.

The black community also a had a wider and worse experience which explains their current circumstance. You may not like it and think it wise to criticise but not being actually black shouldnt you instead be trying to berate the poor whites instead since you obviously want to get all racial about it?

Probably because your argument is pretty confused, as all prejudice is.

 

You're assuming they're smart enough to know when they've been insulted.

 

For the most part, the divisions in this country are caused by class and not race. I have more in common with my Black principal than I do Donald Trump.

Note that I've been centering my posts on what Louis Farrakhan has been saying? Also, I was unaware you were a mod and could tell me what call I had to post anything. Please tell me what other rights you allow me to have here, and I shall forward your orders to the PF.com administrator. Thank you.

 

Indeed.

Sure so are you saying the white poor should also be lifting themselves by their bootstraps?

Merry Christmas.xx

 

I'm saying there's a certain amount of responsibility EVERY adult this side of Brad Pitt need to take for themselves.

 

Blacks are becoming the laughing stock of every other ethnic group in the country. In fact the groups that look down the most on blacks the most today are not whites but are in fact Asians and people the Middle East region. While blacks continue to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats ensuring that Republicans will only make token efforts to get the black vote and that Democrats will continue to take advantage of that sheep mentality they will continue to fall behind everyone else in terms of education and income. Now that hispanics have become the largest minority that means that the Republicans will put more effort into the hispanic vote and even less into the black vote down the road. Liberals have thoroughly destroyed black society with the "War on Poverty" and blacks have continued to ignore it and keep towing the line. Black conservatives are ostracized for no other reason than the left is incredibly intolerant of viewpoints that they do not agree with. Liberals are angry, bitter, resentful, envious, small minded little people and they treat everyone else from that stand point.

 

It's BOTH (though each... ethnicity or class could be looked at separately).

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That is utter nonsense. You don't even know what you're talking about.

I'm laughing at YOU.

 

I also think government has done nothing useful for them. The stagnant poverty rate despite trillions shows this. What do you think about poverty being the same as when the war on poverty started despite record anti poverty spending? 50th year anniversary coming up soon, more people left poverty in the 5 years before the war started then in the 50 since. Do you think this is evidence it isnt working and should be reformed?

 

Actually, government was helping a lot, until the era of 'Nixon' and apparently every Republican after him.

 

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Mmm. I'm not saying you're wrong, especially as there's no way to really measure what percentage of which makes up the whole problem, but - well, look. I know it's anecdotal, but the racial makeup of the employees where I work is 50% Hispanic, 25% Black, and 25% White - we lost the only Asian we had last year Anyway, I look at these guys and their race doesn't matter at all, it's irrelevant. I go to a teacher convention, meet other teachers I've never met - same thing. Race - I don't even notice it. We're all in the same boat, professionally and economically - we more or less have the same problems. But on the other hand, if I met the head of the Federal Department of Education - wouldn't matter what race he was, I'd have nothing in common with him. Or Kanye West. What kind of commonality do I have with someone worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars who's engaged to someone else worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, and whose biggest problems, like the head of the DOE, are which mansion to spend the winter in and which style three-hundred dollar baby shoes to buy their kids while I'm struggling to pay off my bills?

Let me see if I can better explain what he's saying. About forty years ago the Boat People came over here from Vietnam. They didn't know the language, didn't have any money, had no clue about the social do's and don'ts of the day, no real idea about American culture. They popped in and immediately formed relationships with what few family they had, pooled their resources, bought small-time liquor joints, worked 24/7, and made their kids go to school who become fluent in the local language and helped their parents at work. They believed in family, education, and a hard work ethic. As a result they ended up relatively rich and at the top of their classes in a very short time. All this while overcoming the handicaps of a language barrier (which Blacks did not have) lack of money and being victims of racism themselves. So why is it Blacks as a whole aren't doing the same thing the Vietnamese did?

 

It would be rather fascinating if the kneejerk reply were along the lines of, "As bad as the Vietnamese Boat People had it they didn't have things as bad as Blacks had it who grew up knowing that . . . blah, blah, blah." To any such idiot daring to voice such a load of garbage I guarantee that retroactively the surviving boat people would cheerfully have traded places.

 

I think you better go back to page one and read when the destruction of the family unit began, because your about 25 years to late. It started in the late1960's. I do thank you for at least acknowledge that the breakup of the family unit does play a part of what is wrong. That is much more than most Dems have been willing to admit. They seem to want to blame it on everything else, even though some of their famous Black leaders disagree with them.

 

Then explain why they are last in education, last in income, first in crime, first in out of wedlock births, first in abortions etc. Blacks are falling farther and farther behind and people like you stick your heads up your asses and ignore the real problems in black society and keep blaming white Republicans even though Democrats and liberals control ALL of the heavily minority areas since the 1960s. Your side is the one that destroyed black society.

You already lost this argument a long time ago this is just rehashing old news that you refuse to see for yourself.

 

Nancy Pelosi's Hero Lyndon Baines Johnson REALLY got the ball rolliing with The "Great Society"

that turned out about as well as obamacare

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...NOTHING.

We've taken this BS approach to reality for far to great a time.

Stop blaming "Blacks" for what America is; solve the problems that affect EVERYONE... and just watch how great we become as a nation.

THAT is the proper approach!!

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Same old BLIND BS.

You don't WANT to see real solutions; it is obvious.

Back 'ignore' with you.

 

Yes, I absolutely can. For why would I allow my "blackness" to define who I am?(I'm white BTW) The biggest problem the African-American community faces, is the stagnation of the community and its outlook(the same stagnation that comes through your words.).

To insulate that Slavery still has an impact, 150+ years later is utterly absurd. And its that insulation that holds their community back as a whole. Same thing with the Jim Crow laws. The one poster mentioned Blacklisting being outlawed in the 80's. That's 33 years ago.

Several generations of young Black Men have been born into the newly reformed America. Your problem is that you don't see it as a newly Reformed America, you still see it as a "racially divided country". And the greatest tragedy is that these young black men could've been cultivated to feel and look differently at the world.

You could've chose to see an America on the rebound, an America that rejected Slavery, Jim Crow and whose income on all levels have increased. And had you chosen to take advantage of the widening opportunities as America shed the view of racism, Blacks probably would have a stronger foothold on the country.

"White America" has given you plenty of opportunities, it's up to your community as a whole to seize it or not. We cannot make you make your own vital decisions as a race and as a family. For White America seized its opportunities. That's why it became White America to begin with.

Any community can become White America, including the Asian-Americans. If you need an example of overcoming racism, the Asian-Americans might be 8% of the country(at best). And yet they're our leading scholars, and they've done incredibly well for themselves.

And yes, Asian-Americans dealt with racism and while they might not have been enslaved, they were imprisoned. You should look to them as an example of strength.

 

You talk as though "racism" (and subsequent oppression) ended, once slavery was made illegal.

You aren't making real sense.

And while you may want past generation's views to be cultivated in a manner you might surely prefer, I'd tell you that there was no guarantee that the reciprocity or payback for the oppression, murder, inhumanity and hatred directed at Blacks... should have turned out as well as it has so far.

Please, be realistic; we're talking about HUMAN beings here.

I think Blacks are right to start with an attitude of... "Never again.", then move on from there. 150 years within the span of recorded history is NOT a long time. And merely saying that you perceive it as such, does not impart upon that time span, the characteristic you WISH it to possess. Sure, 150 years can change/fix a lot of things... but it seems that you underestimate the SCOPE of real effects which the slave industry and 100+ subsequent years of OPPRESSION have had (and clearly still has) upon this nation (even the world as a whole).

 

Okay, I'll challenge you: Show me with verifiable evidence that the advent of slavery still has an impact on 2013 America.

It's not a characteristic I possess, it's a characteristic of facts. For example: Most, if not all the Nazis from Nazi Germany are dead. So as much as the Jews want to scream "never again", no one else actually has any interests in doing it again.

They'd be much better served if they put their energies elsewhere. Similarly for the African-American. Both of these groups could contribute a lot more to society simply by rejecting the idea that their ancient(and I mean literally ancient history) defines them as people.