Like or hate Trump

he did get Republicans to support Tariffs

 

As awful as Neocons are they are still far better than Democrats. At least with Neocons you're just marking time. With Democrats you are voting for slavery to ever growing government power,

 

Describe traditional conservatism. Most of the people I here yelling about traditional conservatism are actually describing neo conservatism which is nothing of the sort.

 

Can you post about trump without lying?

 

I couldn't care less what Mz. Ellis is willing to say under duress.

 

None the less without Trump it is one or the other in 2016

 

You folks are hot air. You don't have a plan to guarantee Social Security, Medicare, or the 40% of Medicaid that supports indigent seniors in skilled nursing care. You don't say what you're going to do to make housing affordable. You don't say how we should deal with the Ukraine. You don't say how we can make wages stay up with inflation. You don't say how you're going to deal with the 50% of illegals who overstay a visa. You don't say how you're going to deal with the homeless. You say climate change is a hoax. I guess your big plans are around how you can make sure women lose their basic rights.

Why should we vote for your guys? All you do is BS about Hunter Biden.

 

Wrong. Trump was just willing to understand that there were a whole lot of people in this country that Neocons and Democrats with there DC centric views were ignoring and still are.

 

Interesting you left out Obama.

 

I don't think the neocons have not ended. Right now, you have two major groups within the GOP: the Reagan/Bush Sr conservatives and the populist conservatives. And each group within the GOP does not like each other. But the other problem is that the GOP wants to win. Second, there really was no Clinton Dynasty or even a Bush dynasty. Third, the current GOP has not offered any reasonable solutions to the tabletop issues. Instead, they blame China, they blame everyone, they pretty use the blame game while Trump wants to seek revenge for things he actually did but did not take responsibility for. The current GOP platform is basically do as I say and not as I do because I want to rule, not govern.

 

He wanted to be far left, but he didn’t push it. He wasn’t my candidate, but he wasn’t a failure. He killed a lot of Muslin terrorists with drones which was a good thing, and he chased down and had bin Laden killed.

 

What a load of crap. Let's just say the democrats plan seem to be to import cheap labor into country put then all on welfare and then murder everyone that could be paying into the system in the future and then complaining that the system is going broke and the republicans won't fix it.

 

Oh, I'm correct: Trump poses a threat to US national security, he......

He settled for $25,000,000 for defrauding thousands out of millions in a fake university scam.

He paid a $2,000,000 fine for a fake charity in which he embezzled funds for private use, thereby committing fraud against his donors. Thing is, he probably didn't need the money, but Trump is a criminal whose soul is so entrenched in a criminal mindset, he just can't keep his greedly little hands out of the proverbial criminal cookie jar.

He covered up his payments to Stormy Daniels, co conspiring with this Attorney, whom he threw under the bus, whereby his attorney, then Michael Cohen, concocted a scheme, just before the election, to pay Stormy Daniels, a porn star, $130k, and Karen McDougal, a Playboy star Playmate, $150k, both of whom Trump fornicated with just after his newly wed wife gave birth, (swell guy, Trump is, eh? How about that treatment of the future first lady? And no, I didn't vote for Bill Clinton) to pay them out of Cohen's pocket, and they agreed to cover it up where Trump would pay Cohen, in a series of $35k checks, to be recorded as "Legal services income" and "legal expenses" Cohen & Trump respectively, (Photocopies provided on request)

He hires his daughter and son-in-law to take senior White House advisory positions, and allowed them to profit to the tune of millions, where Ivanka got accelerated trade marks in China, worth millions, the made millions hawking her wares there, and got them during the time Trump was negotiating with China, and Jared got $2 billion big ones from the House of Saud, ergo Mohammed Bin Salman, you know, that illustrious individual who hired goons to chop up Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi who wasn't saying nice things about MBS in exchange for the ostensible soft treatment from Trump & Co, crime syndicate LLC.

Installs his buddy, Wilbur Ross, as Secretary of Commerce. This is the elderly gent who was the VP of the real estate division and the Russian branch of Cypress Bank (money from Russia with love, must be nice!) who managed many of Trump's real estate deals with oligarch Russians for the, no doubt, purpose of aiding them in laundering their money. But, that's just me being suspicious, what would I know, you know, with Trump fawning like a sick puppy over Putin, stating on TV he trusts Putin over his intel staff, his WH phone calls to Putin, done entirely in secret, his letting two known Russian spies into the oval office, disallowing any WH staff, no stenographers, and only a Russian PHotographer into the room (we had to borrow their pictures, the only record of the event), hiring, as his campaign manager, one Paul Manafort, you know, that, well, allow me to digress about this very interesting fellow:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if i recall correctly:
Before joining Trump's campaign, Manafort had worked for many years as a political consultant for various politicians, including several foreign leaders.

Manafort's relationship with Ukraine dates back to the early 2000s when he began working as a political consultant for Viktor Yanukovych, a pro-Russian politician who served as Ukraine's president from 2010 to 2014. Manafort worked for Yanukovych's political party, the Party of Regions, as a political consultant and helped Yanukovych win the presidency in 2010.

Manafort's work in Ukraine came under scrutiny in 2016 when it was revealed that he had received millions of dollars in payments from the Party of Regions for his work in Ukraine. He was also accused of working to advance Russian interests in Ukraine, including pushing for closer ties between Ukraine and Russia.

After leaving Yanukovych's campaign in 2014, Manafort continued to work as a consultant for pro-Russian politicians and oligarchs in Ukraine. He also reportedly had business dealings with Russian oligarchs, including Oleg Deripaska, a close associate of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Manafort's ties to Ukraine and Russia came under intense scrutiny during the 2016 presidential campaign, with some accusing him of playing a role in the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the U.S. election. Manafort was indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller in 2018 on charges of conspiracy against the United States, money laundering, and making false statements. He ultimately pleaded guilty to several charges and was sentenced to more than seven years in prison.

And wouldn't you know it, he pardoned him, him and Roger STone, too, but why list more of such illustrious indications of a man who just isn't the kind of fellow any sane person would want to occupy the power powerful office in the world, that of the United States Presidency, and if Republicans haven't learned their lesson, it appears that he is now the front runner for the GOP and by that measure, given that Trump is a national security threat, that makes the entire Republican party a threat to US national security. "In my opinion". (let's discuss).

Though there are too many crimes to list, and some are listed, below, lets' first dive into his being a threat to US National Security

Oh, so you say Trump isn't a threat to US National security?

A summation of the many ways Trump was a threat to national security:

His debt to a Russian bank is a national security threat (Deustchebank, a Russian bank which was fined hundreds of millions for laundering Russian Money).

His incessant undermining public faith in elections is a national security threat.

His incessant assertion that the press is the enemy of the people undermine public confidence in the very thing that protects them from tyranny, i.e., a vigorous and free press, which is a threat to liberal democracy, and a national security threat.

His contempt of congress and obstruction of justice is a threat to national security

His attempt to use the DOJ for political ends is a threat to national security

His hiring lobbyists to the cabinet posts they fought against is a threat to national security

His failure to grasp the seriousness of climate change is a threat to national security ( this is the big one)

His gutting the state department, leaving half of the ambassadorships unfilled is a threat to national security

His hiring of incompetent persons is a threat national security.

His incompetence handling Covid is a threat to national security
the unprecedented turnover in the white house is a threat to national security

His tendency to hire sycophants/yes men, and fire those who speak truth to power is a threat to national security.

His lack of knowledge of US history, lack of knowledge of civics, and many things along these lines, is a threat to national security

His arrogance and total lack of empathy, and total lack of humility, plus the above, means he is unfit for the job and his unfitness is a threat to national security.

His nepotism is a threat to national security.

His spending too much time watching TV and tweeting and playing golf is a threat to national security ( well, it's not good, let's just say that much )

Trump's imposing tariffs which caused farmers to permanently lose markets is a threat to national security his corruption, bilking of the US Taxpayer to the tune of $16 million from entourage stays in his hotels and resorts, all of which his family has profited and his nepotism, allowing his daughter in law to win millions of dollars worth of China trademarks while he was negotiating with China, his nauseating obsequious treatment of Putin, a murderous dictator whose objective is to destroy and/or greatly diminish America's standing in the world, is a threat to national security

His incessant egregious lying, i.,e., "Truth Decay" is a threat to national security

Trump's usurping the Senate by appointing 'acting' heads of departments of whom the president is supposed to appoint and be confirmed by the Senate, the acting heads cause more instability and decrease of moral in the rank and file in those departments,
is a threat to national security

Trump's firing of Comey, which was detrimental to the morale of the rank and file of the FBI, and Trump's scapegoating the FBI, and undermining a once trusted American institution (post Hoover, of course). is a threat to national security

his acquiescing to Erdogan by allowing DOJ to interfere in US Attorney's office investigation of a Turkish bank because it will adversely affect members of Erdogan's family, noting that Erdogan tried to do it with Obama, and his DOJ refused, but Erdogan is finding Trump a pliant president, noting that Trump abandoning the kurds, who were instrumental in helping us in the Iraq war, whose members died for America, Trump did this to appease Erdogan, whereupon the vacuum that that pull out created forced the Kurds to turn to Russia, thus increasing Russia's influence in the region, noting that Trump has property in Turkey, is a threat to national security

Trump's decision to begin the process of withdrawing the United States from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty will end an arms control agreement with Russia that has been a centerpiece of European security since the Cold War. The move, meant to penalize Russia for noncompliance, is likely to alarm the international community, particularly Europe, and cause fears that the US and Russia could enter a new nuclear arms race is a threat to national security

Trump's pulling out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, A massive trade deal meant to counteract China's economic power. Trump ran on a promise to spike the plan, saying it was unfair to American workers. The pact was never officially adopted by Congress. The other 11 nations have carried on without the US, the void this pullout caused allowed China to gain considerable influence over international Trade in the affected regions. The partnership was an agreement that was the result of many years of negotiation, and I sincerely believe this move is a threat to national security

Trump's receiving a $500 million dollar loan from Deutsche Bank while simultaneously a deposit that amount was made to that bank, the money coming from a Russian state bank ( which means Putin controlled ) which makes Trump beholden to Putin, which explains his refusal to criticize Putin, or do much about Russian election interference is a threat to national security
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Trump's appointing a Secretary of Commerce who was the VP of the real estate loan department at Cypress Bank
Wilbur Ross, the former Secretary of Commerce under President Trump, once managed Trump's real estate deals. There were reports of his ties to Russian business interests and connections to Russian oligarchs. In 2017, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists reported that Ross retained a stake in a shipping company that received millions of dollars from a Russian energy company partially owned by members of Vladimir Putin's inner circle. Additionally, Ross served as the vice-chairman of the Bank of Cyprus, which has been linked to Russian oligarchs.


I've got much more, but you don't give a damn about Trump's disastrous effect on the United States.

 

Vacuous drivel.

one of these days, you'll post something that resembles an honest argument.

But, I'm not holding my breath.

 

Wrong 1st Neocons don't share Reagan's philosophy. The Bushes are just technocrats/patricians who feel the were born to the purple and will work with anyone who will make that happen. Neocons think Bushes are malleable and useful tools and they are correct but only because Bushes have no real political philosophy of their own.

 

Oh please what I responded to wasn't an honest argument.

 

Meanwhile you ignore the long running political,incestuous relationships the dominate the DC bureaucracy where people rotate in an out of the bureaucracy and into plum positions with various corporate entities that do billions in business with the government That used to be almost entirely the military industry complex but now its the medical industrial complex.as well. Mean while with the exception of the failed college almost all the rest of that is unproven and largely unfounded garbage.

 

Jeb had no chance of getting the nom over any of the other Rep candidates. I know this because he only received four delegate votes. Cruz had the second most delegate votes at 551.
Hillary had no chance of winning no matter the Rep candidate because she’s…well…Hillary.

 

If I was lying then you wouldn’t have been able to correctly identify the person.

You just told on yourself

But since you have called me a liar, pick an item that you feel is a “lie” and I will do better than you have ever been about to do and post a source. I might even be able to post a video if you pick the right one.

 

I’d say fiscal responsibility, not what some call fiscal conservatism which is or has to come to mean something entirely different. Being fiscal responsible is much more than just low taxes. Basically, being fiscal responsible is not spending more than you take in except in emergencies such as war or like the great depression. It means a balanced budget. In my view Eisenhower was the last fiscal responsible president. In 3 of IKE’s eight years as president, the national debt shrunk. It went down. IKE also would cut taxes when he had a surplus and raise taxes when there was a deficit. IKE is the last president to ever have the national debt go down during his presidency.


Also, to have a government that stays out of a citizen’s private business and life. Like abortion and same sex marriage. As long as no harm is being done to others, it shouldn’t be governments business what a citizen does or doesn’t do as long as that citizen isn't harming others. It boils down to Individual Liberty and freedom.


These are the big two. There was a third that has gone out window during and after WWII. That is avoiding foreign entanglements. Not getting involved in someone else’s war. That worked fine in the era of wooden ships and having the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans as a barrier to invasion from Europe and Asia. But even traditional conservatives realize alliances are a must with ICBM’s and nuclear weapons. Even traditional conservatism has changed over time. Even so, there's a strong belief that this nation shouldn't go to war unless congress declares war. The ever growing power of the presidency is also a big concern.

 

And working folks saw their real wages rising, and Trump started no new wars. But it was a rejection of Bush/Obama/Clinton/Neocons, and that the Swamp felt they could not allow.

Now Trump is on the path to re-election,
Biden's on the path to defeat,
And no one wants to Defend Kackles Harris.

Dems Not Eager to Defend Harris

 

Wages were already on a rising trend, just like employment was. The only way to credit Trump is to refuse to read a graph.

 

TLDR.

I neither like nor hate Trump. Certainly he did a better job than bribed Joe, which is why he is on the path to reelection and Bribed Joe is on the path of defeat.

The big plan to rig the election with all these phony indictments is blowing up in your faces, as it should. And the mugshot that was supposed to sink him? He went UP in the polls after it was a released! As Trump points out, another set of indictments and he'll have this thing wrapped up.

What a nothin-burger.

 

The same Democrats supporting the auto worker strike? Who push for an increased minimum wage? Republicans are the ones who gave 85% of the 2017 tax cut to people making $400,000 a year. They're the ones who wanted to cut Medicare, Medicaid and Obamacare health care premium subsidies.

 

By all means lets lets make sure the unions have plenty of money to give the dems while simultaneously making sure no one can afford a damn car, that sounds like a formula for transferring what few manufacturing jobs are left in this country to china while the American people starve.