Men - What do you propose to do to effectively reduce the abortion rate?

Then stop letting feminists train your little girls to be sluts.

Because in our society, women have total control when it comes to the decision to have sex. (aside from criminal assault) Women now need to take the lead and teach their daughters better values.

In the past, when society was more of a patriarchy, girls were more protected by their fathers, and the general societal traditions of a male having to run a 'gauntlet' before being able to have sex.

Feminism broke all that apart, now a man can easily get sex without having to prove anything or spend a cent. Men are routinely shouted down for suggesting anything that would teach little Suzie to keep her knees together.

What??!!

 

This is your own moral bias which is fine but does not constitute an argument for why others should adopt such values.

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"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"

So let me get this straight. Women should get paid something for sex. They should not just do it because they want to for free.

Wait a minute. Is this (Bold) not the definition of prostitution ?

 

I'm not the one complaining. I was responding to Bowerbird's post...

You miss the point which is.....If you're going to blow your wad into a woman's vagina, you really should consider you are committing yourself to whatever decision she wants to make in the case of a pregnancy.

So.....how many 'cows' have you 'milked?' I'm sure they would be enchanted with your description of them.

Here it is 'straight up'.....If a woman gets pregnant, it's HER fault. This notion that it's '50%' the man's fault is stupid. Unless he commits RAPE which is a heinous crime, he is not going to stick his penis in her vagina.

 

So you're saying....the sex may be mutually consentual, but it is solely the woman's responsibility when it results in pregnancy. Why is that, Mr. Republican-party-of-personal-responsibility?

 

Bowerbird wonders what a "feminist training camp" would look like and why it would cause such panic in some men

 

Why don't men seize control of the decision to NOT have sex? Why don't men just say NO? The fact that men don't say NO, means they are responsible.

 

You can't expect them to do THAT Granny - after all they have a "genetic disposition for a stung sexual urge" which obviously excuses them from any responsibility

 

Well the fact that nature has placed the responsibility of carrying the child on the woman is not the man's fault, as much as you man hating "feminists" would like that to be true.

 

I promote men getting some kind of contract with a woman before squirting into her 'baby hole.' If she refuses my advice is to squirt elsewhere or not do it at all. This is for the protection of the man because a woman has all the power. Even if he gets a contract there is no guarantee she is going to honor it.

A man is not going to get access to a vagina without the woman's permission anyway so, it is the woman that controls the sex act. Women need to be more responsible.

 

Amen!!!!


You are absolutely correct!

 

That's not what I advocate. I say men SHOULD be responsible for their own welfare. If a man is going to ejaculate into a vagina, he should have a commitment (contract) with the woman. There should be written agreement as to what to do if a pregnancy ensues. They could agree to be responsible, get married and raise the child, they could agree to kill it....whatever....men need to protect themselves. I don't advocate any particular course of action just that the parties agree and that the man gets her signature/consent.

We are now way beyond the old tradition of 'courting' and 'romance' sorry......If that bugs you go talk to your feminist supporters.

 

So, how are you going to promote that? And no more talk of fanciful "feminist training groups"

I am talking about a strategy that will address what you see as a societal deficit

? Advertising campaign?

?public education?

?sex tax"

?compulsory vasectomies for all men not wanting children?

 

Why not? Feminists have trained little girls they are equal sexually to men. Why can't feminists now train little girls to demand a contract before they spread their legs? Rights come with responsibility you know. You women have all the rights, now it's time to take responsibility.

I suggest you promote fellatio, sodomy, hand masturbation etc. I mean if you really 'love' a guy, don't want to make any kind of commitment but don't want to get pregnant, but you need sex then you need to be able to satisfy him...Yes?...No?

As a man, the ONLY way I can protect myself is to NOT ejaculate into a vagina without a contract and I promote that right here on the Forum and to every guy I know.

What would you suggest? A PA that guys demand a signed commitment BEFORE penis goes in vagina? How about a slogan? Wait...."Don't give her the c0ck without her 'Jane' Hancock" Ha Ha!!!

Yes very simple...Girls....Keep your knees together. Boys....If it 'fits' you better commit. (I like that one)

Now you're getting too liberal on me.

No need if women would learn the same 'tricks' prostitutes use if they just want to have indiscriminate sex.

Otherwise women should demand a commitment and a ring. I would also counsel women to make sure the guy has the where-with-all (monetarily, and character-wise) to be supportive of the woman he claims to love and the family they will create.

If a woman wants to just have penis/vagina sex but doesn't want to make any kind of commitment, I suggest she get her tubes tied. After all, either she or the life inside her is going to suffer if she gets pregnant.

 

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Agreed

I do not describe women that way .. the old wives tale is metaphor that was comparable to your description.

I agree .. 100% The woman should also be 100% responsible for here decision to have the child unless couple is married or the man has given written conscent that he will be responsible.

 

I disagree. The decision to have sex is separate from the decision to have a child.

Saying yes to sex does not mean one is saying yes to "having a baby"

 

That depends on the kind of sex. Penis inserted into vagina will always carry the possibility of a pregnancy. A man might as well say 'yes' when he puts his 'tool' in the 'toolbox' (so to speak.)

 

The possibility of pregnancy does not imply consent to creation of a Baby.

That decision is up to the woman.

 

Men like to believe they don't have any responsibility. They are happy to have unprotected sex, but then whinge when the woman wants an abortion.

 

But then women have been known to make bad decisions with the courts uphold.

 

Any solution would be entirely individual related, as households would have to do a better job of educating children regarding the dangers of unprotected/adolescent sexual intercourse. No amount of group effort (from outside party) will fix a problem that manifests in an environment occupied by guardians that aren't hands on enough. Same argument can be made for improving education performance in schools.

 

Hey Hey hey .... massive generalization there.

Plenty of men encourage a woman to have an abortion.

 

Yes .. and this is unfortunate and a throwback to earlier days when women were considered unable to take care of themselves, victims to the whims of men.

 

Again there is the instance that women take all the responsibility for contraception but without allowing them free choice. It is simple - if you think contraception is all up to the woman then do not grizzle if she chooses to have an abortion

If you do not want the woman you are with to choose that option then take some responsibility for contraception yourself

BTW what is it with American males thinking every woman who has sex is a slut while at the same time condoning men having sex?

Geesh! and I thought some third world countries had repressive ideas about gender roles and sex

 

It absolutely does mean you took a known risk and the consequences of a pregnancy are consequences you signed on for when you had sex.

 

Agreed. What we are talking about is fixing the "blame", while I don't know why it really matters, I don't think women should have to just accept the "blame" for accidental pregnancies. I am trying to get across the point that men have the full capability of saying "NO" to sex, and if they don't, a share of the "blame" is theirs.