Men - What do you propose to do to effectively reduce the abortion rate?

and why would that bother you?

 

Wouldn't bother me, but I am sure the men would start bleating about their so called rights to a sex life.

 

Fight the crooked family courts and the cottage industries they support.
Place men back in a prominent position in families and child rearing as women after disenfranchising men have pitifully dropped the ball.
(statistics back me up on the distractions girls fall sway to without a strong paternal figure)

Encourage men to be men again, not little boys playing with eachothers butts or peter pans flitting from one affair to the next.

Make raising children central to our priorities instead of a past-time similar to getting a pet we can pawn on off on our brother in law when we're tired of them or haven't scheduled our "quality time" for.

 

So, practicalities - how do we go about doing that?

 

Start promoting individual rights instead of 'group' rights.
This one step would take us leagues in the right direction.

 

and again: why does that concern you?

the fact that you sneer about it indicates you would find it offensive...why?

I note that you have continually called for a woman's right to a sex life...why do you think that a man shouldn't have the same rights? I thought the goal of feminists was EQUAL rights...not special rights.

(ps, the choice isn't between screwing everything and anything that walks or breathes and never ever having sex ever again. How ever did the species survive without the Progressives to explain sex to us...)

 

not sure what you mean by this but ok.

I did not say anything about education correlating with birth control, I was talking about population increase. something that education does correlate with. would you like the demographic figures, of population decrease within educated nations?

um...ok. I never claimed that they did. take a chill pill. I don't care if you donate to this site or not.

BTW: I am not pro-life. (you seem to have me confused with someone else).

 

What's wrong? Don't like someone who takes his responsibility of being a parent seriously? If your going to preach education, then you should agree with everything I just said b/c everything I just said is the best single way to make sure your daughters aren't having kids at 14, out of wedlock, and or divorced with step dads and live in boyfriends.

Good forbid we preach and teach the right way to dothings. This is why I laugh and donttake anything a liberal says on the issue of kids seriously. You guys lain "education, education" then when someone educates, your their to tear it all down b/c it's not birth control here, abortions over here.

What a joke.

 

No, the joke is someone thinking that they have that much control over another person

So, you believe the way forward is to make every family a TV family with no real issues??

Nice but how do we achieve that? Are you aware that many children who are sexually abused will "act out" and become promiscuous??

So, how do we stop that?

So many of the pro life answers here revolve around how the person themselves would be "better than that" and how they would ensure their family is "better than that"

Unsurprisingly these same people have no answers for society as a whole

 

Well, the most logical and reasonable response to this is...
don't have sexual intercourse if you don't want to get someone pregnant.

Last time I checked, it's 100% effective at preventing a pregnancy which
leads to the subsequent abortion terminating said pregnancy.

Not many things in life are 100% effective, so personally y'all might want to take advantage
of that.

 

I think you are joking. By the way, I am not a liberal. Also, I am not sure if I should believe in education that much either. I am not even sure if I will ever have an opprtunity to get ready for a family, even at 25-30, because the way the world economy goes, and the penulty you get for your children and the penulty your children get for existing. However, I agree with education to the extent that a father should empower his daughters so that they can experience life to the fullest with all its risks, and that includes a sex life (yes, busy as it may get, and not starting with marriage or at 40+).

Girls should know about the ideas of condoms and contraceptives, and definitely girls should have enough self confidence to say no to a guy who refuses condoms or is codependent. A father would achieve this by encouraging his daughters to do their own catches instead of dreaming from the windows of parental regulations. The kitchen is a powerful education too, it destroys a girl's self confidence and sense of reality, it is a direct gateway to spousal abuse. (This is from a guy's point of view.)

 

Preaching abstinence until marriage has been tried before, and it fails. Telling your kids to always use protection and to only have when they are in a committed relationship is more likely to work.

But of course, teaching your kids to be responsible will only have them popping out babies at the age of 14, whereas teaching them abstinence means they will hold out a few more years before becoming a single mother at the age of 17 aka Bristol Palin.

 

It's all nature. Women want the results of sex as much as guys want sex. Sure there are exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't change the rule. Since men want sex without the results, that is where a true education of responsibility should begin. I don't know if I've ever met a woman who didn't constantly flip flop on what she wanted, therefore, there is no way to streamline a sense of logic to get them to change. Men are extremely simple to balance out the complexity of women, another reason why it is the gender to educate. A streamlined approach is easy. Yes, forever preach condoms to try and prevent disease. But pulling out every time, until ready for a family, must be made the norm for all men. Sure, some babies will still be born, but not even 25% as many unwanted pregnancies will occur. To trust in women on the subject of relationships and family, is to hope a weed in the yard will pluck itself.

 

The best way to prevent pregnancy is the one thing you said this thread is not about "I would not have sex with the woman."

I know that sometimes, a women could accidentally trip and fall in a sperm research center and a dildo could crash through a window, break through a test tube of fresh sperm, and find its way up the vagina and somehow impregnate the woman, but common really? lol.

In all seriousness, the best way to prevent pregnancy is to not have sex.

In all honesty, I don't think any amount of education is going to really lower the rate of unwanted pregnancies. I'm mean, common think about it. Us guys only think with one head. When the time comes for some good ole' fashioned sex, we are not thinking, "Well, I want to lower the rate of unwanted pregnancies, so I wonder if I should use a condom or another contraceptive. Well, I have a slight allergy to latex and I didn't bring a condom, so I wonder if hers are pure latex? I better as if she is on the pill..." Lets be real.

Unwanted pregnancies will always happen. It is the question of what to do about the unwanted pregnancy. I think abortion is the best option. Giving birth is a lot safer for the mother than an abortion and the child has a chance to live.

 

You act as if guys have to ejaculate in the woman. You might as well be blaming an oven for cooking a loaf you put in it. Nonsense. Shoot on her bed spread, on her walls, on her blouse, in her hair, whatever. If you shoot in her you are to blame. Period.

 

Giving birth is NOT SAFER than abortion. Abortion is more than ten times safer than pregnancy/childbirth. So why should a woman have to take that risk to give a fetus "a chance to live"? Shouldn't she try to get pregnant every month to give her egg a "chance to live"?

 

WOW!!!! You have zipped way to much Kool aid in the education department...lol.

So stay at home moms are abused women now? Is that what they teach kids these days?....lol.

Come back when you have real kids. Then we can talk...lol.

 

And here we go again with abstinence fails crap. There are more all inclusive sex Ed classes then anything else. Are you prepared to call those failures too? Nope. So give me a break on the abstinence fails memo.

The rest of your post is more Makedde nonsense not worth responding to.

 

I don't think we need real kids to figure why half of girls have daddy issues. Typically this inspires girls to hook up with the most moronic alcoholic of a boyfriend, 10 years her senior, only to introduce him to dad and say that she is moving away with him. Now isn't that an even bigger disaster (for her) than a few punks from school that she has sex with (which is not a disaster at all)?

But let's talk your language then, Mark 10:17, Matthew 19:5, Ephesins 5:31, Genesis 2:24 all say that the girl "will become one flesh" with her guy and the guy "will become one flesh" with his girl. The daddy is clearly NOT in the picture for either of them.

We are not as stupid as we look.

Your turn.

 

Interesting that you would advocate Sharia Law in the USA.

Folks with such beliefs do indeed, even in the USA, lock their daughters away. Some have even been killed by their own fathers for behaving improperly.

I think you have found a solution ! A+

 

And how do you propose to enforce that in the broader social community - put all women into chastity belts and make all men wear penile clamps??

 

Abstinence fails and sometimes safe sex fails. But teaching your kids abstinence only means they are less likely to use contraception if they did decide to have sex. Unprotected sex means babies.

 

Why would I as a man wish to reduce abortions? I cannot have an abortion so my actions will not reduce them. Only a woman by choosing not to have an abortion can reduce the number of abortions.

 

Women don't get pregnant on their own. Under your logic I could rob a bank and it's the banks fault. I don't expect men of older generations to change, as there is no habit like an old habit. But at least do your sons a favor and teach them to shoot on a girl instead of in her, until he is ready to have a family. In the day and age where women with a baby are protected by state muscle, and with the economy so bad all the benefits looking tastier than ever, you will be saving your sons from a world of hurt.