Mob in Peoria shoots fireworks at police, firefighters...

Criminals here can obtain guns. If you look at the trigger for the riots (although it is a separate issue now) the man who was shot by the Police, was shot because he presented a gun. At least he was carrying a gun. The protests started because people did not know whether he presented or fired it or if the Police took illegal action.

It is a trend to convert imitation guns which are made to the same quality as real guns and enable them to be fired. That is what the man was carrying. When converted, they become real guns (but I understand if they are not converted by someone competent, the weapons are apt to kill the person bearing them).

We usually don't really care if they have guns because they generally know enough to keep that sort of thing within their own circles. It is a very big deal here if a random member of the public is shot by a criminal. Of course this is not always the case, but usually if a person is shot, we assume they are involved in something and it is a by product.

You would be entitled to use reasonable force against an assailant.

The biggest seller here on ebay at the moment is baseball bats. So the riots are not going to last very long, one way or another. We are reasonable people and will let the Police do their job, but if they are overstretched we are not going to allow yobs to wreck the country. People are already mobilising to defend their areas in support of the Police.

The rioters have made a point and it's quite complex. While publicly decrying them as criminals, the PM will have to address Government's mistake in assuming it can make any decision to correct the economy without reference to the people. The ranks of the disadvantaged are growing every day due to increasing unemployment, but from what has been released the disadvantaged are by no means the only people involved in the riots. Details of the first few people reveal a Teaching Assistant, an Army Recruit, University students, a Graphic Designer, a 64 yr old man, an 11 yr old child...

The PM also doesn't really have support from the Public Sector as he is intent on cutting numbers in the Police Force for one, the Military for two, the Civil Service, Education etc etc etc. They will publicly obey, but people obviously don't appreciate that regardless of the economic situation. I could have told him his airy fairy blundering wasn't going to work and did tell people here it will explode this year and riots will ensue probably with the planned strike action in the autumn when everyone returns from holiday.

Cameron is going to learn the hard way. Whatever the financial sector wants to foist on the people, the people still see what is going on. They appeared powerless, but this reminds Government the people hold power.

Abu, there is tension between Blacks and Asian in that community. There is a risk. The father of the boy who died has spoken to ask people not to respond or worsen the situation and other people who have commented from the community this morning made similar comments, that a situation like this shows our differences are less than we imagine and in reality, we are all the same.

Personally, I think there may be nothing for the next couple of days. Not because Police have the situation under control. But because...it is now hammering with rain predicted to continue for a few days. Really heavy rain. God's Policeman. Who is going to go out and hang about street corners in that? They can't set fire to anything in the rain.

 

MSNBC is too busy attacking the tea party apparently..they see a couple of peacefull protesters as a much bigger threat than a mob of black thugs...

 

Yeah right, Watch First 48 once in awhile.

The only people allowed to help the police in the inner city are the victim's families. No one gets on them for "snitching" but if someone not directly involved in the crime speaks up, bad stuff happens to them or their kids/family.

 

I would be surprised if his campaign strategists haven't explored 'the potential for violence' angle.

 

I am sure they already have. And I am sure they have something planned with groups like ACORN and the like to start things as the sun goes down on election night.

I wonder if king jackass clown shabazz will be at a polling place again

 

Of course..Obummer paid for his gas and mortgage

 

I said it before and I'll say it again, you can take the savage out of the jungle...

 

This story reminds me of Alex from A Clockwork Orange where "innocent malchickiwicks lash out with the old ultra-violence."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=aA6kyinCNq0

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How can anyone find fault with these youngsters commiting these crimes? Look at the ultra-violence going on in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lybia all done by our beloved "Christian" government.

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Interesting prospect alright.

 

Yeah, where are JJ and rev Al....why are they silent?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=aA6kyinCNq0

 

What's nexy orgymania????

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You mean "The United States Government" /BATF/FBI is a Significant Source for Firearms & Ammunition in Mexico .

 

Even if the Perps started Knifing & Slashing everyone & hitting folks in the head with blunt objects ?? Get Real & don't be shuch a pushover for the Brit Or New Zealand Australian Hoodrats & Minorities on the Rampage

 

It is, but unlike the story that Mexico has been trying to push, their weapons come from multiple sources.

Some of them are American in origin, but it's hard to get a grasp on just how many are really ours, because of 2 things.

1) Mexican law enforcement only sends our ATF weapons with visible serial numbers on them for tracing, because if a gun is lacking a serial number, it's nearly impossible to track at all.

2) A lot of the weapons without serial numbers are likely to be from other countries partially due to the fact that some foreign manufacturers don't use them.

There is a general trend among Mexican authorities to blame America for Mexico's problems much like we use them as a scapegoat for our own. Some of what we're doing is actually contributing to problems there, but in other cases, it's either the fault of Mexico itself or of other countries (like Brazil).

In short, if we banned all guns and strictly enforced the retrieval of all weapons here, we'd still have guns smuggled here from Mexico, and Mexico itself would still get guns from Brazil and various other countries.

So yes, geography is still a major factor that gets overlooked. It's far easier for the U.K. to keep out guns than it would be for us to do so because of our sheer size.

 

Was it?

He was being tailed by armed officers. That should tell you something other than it being a normal everyday occurrence.

 

That's correct. In fact the US Govt. supplies guns to Mexican criminals. They have a couple of govt. programs designed for this purpose. Google Operation Fast and Furious. Google Gunwalker. The US Govt. under Obama is a proliferator of small arms.

 

Why do you ask?

 

what your failing to realize is either the rioters and the people in the restraunt would have had guns or nobody would have guns there is no perfect world where your at dinner with family or friends and a whole bunch of armed hooligans who don't have any projectile weapons rush in and you just happened to have your loaded desert eagle .50 cal down your pants to "diffuse" the situation. it doesn't play out that way. much better to just have an enormous brawl if it cracks off with everyone being able to find something close at hand to defend themselves with. if guns were allowed in the UK guarnteed one of those 30 kids who rushed the door would have had one and probably would have cracked it off at the first person who didn't give up his/her watch, wallet, etc. even in america just because you can own a fire arm doesn't mean you do if your a law abiding citizen and even if you do it doesn't mean it will be on you 24/7. obviously if these people were the kind of people who were worried about the riot they would have been home defending their homes instead of out eating a fancy dinner so the likely hood of any of them even having a knife or a small bat is unlikely which is if i'm not mistaken compeletly legal in the UK. if they were going to have protection don't you think they would have something else to compensate? more lax gun laws in the UK would make this problem so much worse with considerably more casualties and mistakes. any rioter who reached for his pants (probably just to hold them up since thats the style) could be shot for potentially going for a gun. at least in this instance deadly force will not need to be used.

 

I get the impression that the man who was shot was not random at all. Wasn't he the center of an investigation on illegal weapon possession?

 

In England? Would you be declaring your firearm on your visit or would you become one of the people you are posturing about?

 

Ditto, Hundreds of thousands of Americans are CCW holders and they carry EVERYWHERE that it is legal fot them to do so (Including Restaraunts) .

 

Ditto, Hundreds of thousands of Americans are CCW holders and they carry EVERYWHERE that it is legal for them to do so (Including Restaraunts) .