MOST Americans open to alternative explanations to 9/11

What it has to do with it is that you said: "Doesn't change the fact that he was mistaken for UA93". That is not a fact. It is a random lie proven as such by Mineta's actual statement about UA93 above you.

 

Norman Mineta told the 9/11 commission that he arrived at 9.20 am. Cheney was already there. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9.37 am. A plane can travel 50 miles quite easily in 17 minutes.

And he said he arrived at 9.20 am.

I'm not reading the rest of your post because it obviously contains error stacked upon error, and I'm not getting paid to educate you.

 

Lol. I bet that's an interesting read.

 

Of course you wont read the rest of it, because it contains the part where Mineta said he didn't reach the White House until AFTER it has begun evacuating, which wasn't until AFTER AA77 hit the Pentagon.

You also miss the part where the secrete service logs have the VP arriving at 0937

Yes, Mineta said he arrived at 9:20. Yes, he said AA77. But aside from his testimony there is absolutely no evidence, witnesses or logs which show that he was in the PEOC before 0945 that morning!. He had his time line off by half an hour. That is why his testimony was left out of the commission report, because it was inaccurate! You cannot seem to grasp these simple facts, but then truthers never do.

 

You are missing the point here, buddy. His testimony is the evidence. You don't seem to have a problem with a total lack of evidence bin Laden was involved, but you do seem to have a problem with actual evidence that Cheney was involved. Mineta's testimony has been independently corroborated by the likes of Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward. Also counter-terrorism chief Richard Clarke, who said Cheney and Rice were both in the PEOC at 9.10 am. Also David Bohrer, a White House photographer, who said Cheney left for the PEOC just after 9:00 am. Also ABC News. Far from there being no other evidence, there is a treasure trove full of it.

You have now changed your argument three times, and three times it has been shown that you are just making it up as you go along. Spare yourself further embarrassment and drink a glass of shut the hell up.

 

No it's not. It's just a statement. And all my points show that it is inaccurate.

Lack of evidence? and in what parallel universe is this? All you have to do is look him up on wikipedia.

The article goes off Mineta's testimony. That isn't corroboration, that's just reporting. But even his article is all over the place. He talks about Mineta's time line, and then even says later the '50 mile out' etc happened closer to 10am.

Absolutely false. I'm guessing you got that from the Jones Journal of Woo? Richard Clarke was the one who gave the order to evacuate the White House after the Pentagon was hit. And again, Mineta himself said he did not even arrive until after the White House had begun to evacuate.

Mineta cannot be correct. There is no evidence apart from his word, that he and Cheney were in the PEOC before 0945. There is plenty of evidence, including logs, and testimony from Monte Belger, that shows Mineta was confused with UA93. This topic has been done to death and was debunked long before even I joined the scene.

But enough of your dodge, let's see this evidence for your lie that jets were tailing AA77?

Who's jets?
Where were they scrambled from?
Under who's authority?
Details Quantum..

 

Actually, forget it, Quantum is an obvious liar and I have no further need to deal with this of topic dodge. If you want to continue to be proven wrong, start a new thread. Be sure to include your evidence that AA77 was being tailed by fighters... lol

Back to the point, if "most americans" are open to the idea of an inside job, then why does every truther event end with record low attendants? This year alone, the conference in Washington on 9/11 was small enough to fit into a room the size of my living room, the "Million Muslim March" had a turn out of less than 30 people. Ground zero had basically no one. The only half decent show was Gage's crew in time square with about 100 people, most of which I assume were rubber neckers. His billboard campaign managed to get around 15,000 signatures on his "worldwide rethink911" petition, which curiously is 7,000 signatures less than his "AE911" and "Other Supporters" petitions combined.. His tours still get only a couple of dozen attendants at each rally, and yet he is by far the most successful 9/11 truth campaigner!

If most americans are so open to the idea, then why are only 0.0048% of them the only people doing anything about it? I mean, isn't this a shockingly low number for a population where "most" think their government is a bunch of mass murdering criminals?

 

Yes, it is an interesting read. I spent nearly an hour at it. His blog is like a cartoon.

 

More and more people are speaking out against the Liars. Liars control the schools, the media, and government. They don't control the Internet so they do everything they can to discredit the truth on the Internet. The way I see it there are three categories of Liars on the Internet. The rich and powerful who use this technique "Ridicule of Conspiracy Theories Focuses On Diffusing Criticism of the Powerful"

1. Hannibal and LogicallyYours would fit in the category of using ridicule to defuse the truth.

2. Others are just cheerleaders. I would put Karma Mechanic, cjnewson88, LoneStrSt8, and others in the cheerleader category.

3. Others just haven't taken the time to do their own research. They are constantly bombarded with lies in schools and media. They don't know the truth because they put blind faith in authority as they have been taught since kindergarten.

There are three posters so far in this thread who are seeking the truth and have done extensive research into learning the truth. The OP - RtWngaFraud, Quantumhead, and myself. We have to put up with a lot of ridicule for trying to tell the truth and I have been banned from many boards for losing my temper.

When the truth wins critical mass the liars lose their power. Plato's "Nobel Liar's" reign of power is coming to an end.

 

He wanted to make sure people like you understood it.

Now stop with the ad hominem,and tell us what he got wrong.

 

The real blurry picture of the airplane! It was cartoonish.

 

You expected high resolution?

Sorry kid,not the way evidence usually works in the real world.

 

LOL. Yeah. Right. Wink. Wink.

Do you see an airplane in this video?

[video=youtube;O2VXBFW-vzM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2VXBFW-vzM[/video]

 

Yes I do.....And there was ample evidence left that says there was a plane.

 

It was Flight 77 which hit the Pentagon. The other poster's blog claims Mineta was talking about UA93, which I have proven to be a false claim.

 

Did they confiscate the videos around the Pentagon?

 

You are a liar, I have caught you lying four times in as many posts, and I will not be responding to you further.

Other Reports Supporting Cheney’s Early Arrival

Richard Clarke reported that he, Cheney, and Condoleezza Rice had a brief meeting shortly after 9:03, following which the Secret Service wanted Cheney and Rice to go down to the PEOC. Rice, however, first went with Clarke to the White House’s Video Teleconferencing Center, where Clarke was to set up a video conference, which began at about 9:10. After spending a few minutes there, Rice said, according to Clarke: “You’re going to need some decisions quickly. I’m going to the PEOC to be with the Vice President. Tell us what you need.” At about 9:15, Norman Mineta arrived and Clarke “suggested he join the Vice President” (Against All Enemies, 2-5). Clarke thereby implied that Cheney was in the PEOC several minutes prior to 9:15.

In an ABC News program on the first anniversary of 9/11, Cheney’s White House photographer David Bohrer reported that, shortly after 9:00, some Secret Service agents came into Cheney’s office and said, “Sir, you have to come with us.” During this same program, Rice said: “As I was trying to find all of the principals, the Secret Service came in and said, ‘You have to leave now for the bunker. The Vice President’s already there. There may be a plane headed for the White House.’” ABC’s Charles Gibson then said: “In the bunker, the Vice President is joined by Rice and Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta” (“9/11: Interviews by Peter Jennings,” ABC News, September 11, 2002).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/9-11-contradictions-when-did-cheney-enter-the-underground-bunker/?print=1

 

Yes. They released one fairly recently which showed a plane but they haven't been very forthcoming with the footage. The thing is there are an awful lot of witness statements saying it was a plane. Of course, eye-witnesses count when they're talking about a plane hitting the Pentagon, but 200 of them who claimed they saw a controlled demolition at the WTC don't count.

That unfortunately is the mentality of the people you're dealing with.

 

I didn't see you prove that......sure you weren't dreaming?

 

200 people did NOT see a controlled demolition at the WTC that's a blatant falsehood.

 

Says who? You call a couple of dozen people at a 9/11 protest "more and more" when in 2006 they had over a thousand people?

 

Still waiting for this evidence.
Still waiting for any evidence that the order wasn't a shoot down order.

 

You would deny your own nose just because you like wasting people's time. You would make them prove to you that your nose exists, and then, after receiving the proof, you would demand to know where the proof was.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, who is currently at the White House, will tell the 9/11 Commission that at “about 9:25 or 9:26” he overhears someone warning Vice President Dick Cheney of an aircraft approaching Washington. Radar evidence obtained by CBS News will show that “at 9:30 a.m.… radar tracked the plane as it closed to within 30 miles of Washington."

According to some accounts, Vice President Dick Cheney is in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) below the White House by this time, along with Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta and others. Mineta will recall that, while a suspicious plane is heading toward Washington, an unidentified young man comes in and says to Cheney, “The plane is 50 miles out.” Mineta confers with acting FAA Deputy Administrator Monte Belger, who is at the FAA’s Washington headquarters. Belger says to him: “We’re watching this target on the radar, but the transponder’s been turned off. So we have no identification.” According to Mineta, the young man continues updating the vice president, saying, “The plane is 30 miles out,” and when he gets down to “The plane is 10 miles out,” asks, “Do the orders still stand?” In response, Cheney “whipped his neck around and said, ‘Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?’” Mineta will say that, “just by the nature of all the events going on,” he infers that the order being referred to is a shootdown order. Nevertheless, Flight 77 continues on and hits the Pentagon.

UA93 was not shot down until almost an hour later.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a927cheneyupated

 

It is obvious. Just a few years ago, if the Secretary of State wanted to go to war, America would have been at war in a heartbeat. The elite liars didn't get their war in Syria ... yet. They may still get it but the American people put enough pressure on their representatives that they did not get war in Syria when they wanted it. That's good news to us people who are seeking peace and truth.

 

That's effectively the reason for the expansion into Iraq. The US now has four huge military bases there, from which they can hit either Syria or Iran. The true post-Cold War ideological enemy for America has always been Iran. True, Syria isn't popular either, but it's less impressive militarily than Iran, and the clincher is the Iranian connection to Hezbollah. The Israelis really don't like that, and the Israeli political lobby in the US is perhaps its strongest force of all. Darth Cheney himself spoke up to suggest a possible strike against Iran not so long ago.

Many people (and I'm talking about British and European MPs here) have pointed it out, but Israel is quite literally on a par with Nazi Germany in terms of the way it promotes its own violence and power gambits, while dehumanising the enemy and denouncing their equivalent actions.