MOST Americans open to alternative explanations to 9/11

Thanks for the kind words, guys.

 

"the Liars control the information..."..Oh, you mean like the control they have on the internet? mmmmmmmmmmm....then why are YOU able to post your absurd ramblings?

How about the world of Publishing?...do the Liars control that also? if so, why are there many JFK conspiracy books made available.

Typical to Nutter mode, whenever faced with an obstacle, blame "the man" for your short-falls and failures. Another truth is, your comments are absurd.

 

Do you really think your ramblings have value to those of us who understand the world in which we live? You are a nutter and don't even know it. Perhaps you should re-read what Quantumhead posted just above your post. You might learn something. I doubt it... but you might.

 

No there is no proof.

How? Where is your evidence?

How have you eliminated the fact that 19 extremists hijacked planes and flew them into buildings and into the ground? You have facts to do that?

So you have no evidence and that is evidence??????? Really?????? How does that work?

 

birds of a feather.....

 

Great minds...

 

Most Americans also thought C3P0 was a real robot too.

 

There is no evidence those men were extremists so you're lying. There is however, evidence that they were using false identities and that they should not have been given American Visas by the US government.

The political journal National Review obtained the visa applications for 15 of the 19 hijackers — and evidence that all of them should have been denied entry to the country.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130051&page=1#.UM_4YG9RWWw

The Saudi Airlines pilot, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, 25, and Abdulaziz Al-Omari, an engineer from Riyadh, are furious that the hijackers' "personal details" - including name, place, date of birth and occupation - matched their own.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/13413 91/Revealed-the-men-with-stolen-identities.html

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

It works the same way Sir Arthur Conan Doyle pointed out that it works centuries ago. "When you eliminate the impossible then, whatever is left, however unlikely, must be the truth."

 

This forum gets off topic so fast...

Back to the point, if "most americans" are open to the idea of an inside job, then why does every truther event end with record low attendants? This year alone, the conference in Washington on 9/11 was small enough to fit into a room the size of my living room, the "Million Muslim March" had a turn out of less than 30 people. Ground zero had basically no one. The only half decent show was Gage's crew in time square with about 100 people, most of which I assume were rubber neckers. His billboard campaign managed to get around 15,000 signatures on his "worldwide rethink911" petition, which curiously is 7,000 signatures less than his "AE911" and "Other Supporters" petitions combined.. His tours still get only a couple of dozen attendants at each rally, and yet he is by far the most successful 9/11 truth campaigner!

If most americans are so open to the idea, then why are only 0.0048% of them the only people doing anything about it? I mean, isn't this a shockingly low number for a population where "most" think their government is a bunch of mass murdering criminals?

 

Interestingly, part of the evidence proving Flight 77 hit the Pentagon is the same evidence which implicates Cheney -- Norman Mineta's statement:-

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?

Washington Post correspondent Bob Woodward further verified Mineta's testimony. Cheney at that time was aware of what had happened to Flights 11 and 175, and he was aware that Flight 77 was headed straight for the Pentagon. Separate transcripts of air force communications on that day confirm that the plane was being tracked by fighters but the pilots were ordered not to engage.

 

So it all boils down to: You live in fear. You have convinced yourself that 'they' (who you can't even seem to name) are standing ready to take your very lives if you dare to speak up.

That's no way to live, Q. Even if you are correct (and I firmly believe you aren't) then 'they have already killed you. Fear is death.

 

They already admitted: they live in fear. They dare not speak up or take action.

 

Not hardly.....

 

Nope, that was for UA93. And it was a shoot down order relayed at around 10am. UA93 had already crashed by the time this conversation had taken place. Mineta's time line was off by half an hour. Cheney didn't get to the PEOC until just before AA77 hit the Pentagon. We can see this via the secrete service logs below, as well as other places. The secrete service had approximately 5 minutes warning of AA77 inbound. The military basically had none.

And what transcripts were these? No fighters were tracking AA77 because not even the military was tracking AA77.

If you'd actually bothered spending the time looking at the material on the blog rather than skimming over it, you'd have known this.

But again, we have a thread devoted to my blog. We can further discuss it there. In the mean time, how about a response to the thread topic?

 

Each of those points will be ignored entirely, or buried in propaganda, rhetoric, or the like. Rather than try and verify those points, you get non relevant comments, insults or other forms of disrespectful nonsense. Rather than pick a point, and debate it to its logical conclusion, all you'll get will be scatter shot rhetoric, or attacks by the defenders of hte "official" BS story. I appreciate the manner in which you are able to communicate, and please keep up the posting, despite the mega attacks the controllers will throw at you. I enjoyed reading your posts, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

That's a total and inexcusable lie.

According to Mineta, the young man continues updating the vice president, saying, “The plane is 30 miles out,” and when he gets down to “The plane is 10 miles out,” asks, “Do the orders still stand?” In response, Cheney “whipped his neck around and said, ‘Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?’” Mineta will say that, “just by the nature of all the events going on,” he infers that the order being referred to is a shootdown order. Nevertheless, Flight 77 continues on and hits the Pentagon.

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=norman_mineta

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Intricate examination of Mineta's testimony and timeline. Many different sources provided.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Norman_Mineta

 

You really have convinced yourself of a reverse version of reality, haven't you? It's utterly petrifying. You let Bush use fear politics to abandon the constitution and give himself a green light for attacking anybody he wanted post-9/11, and he simply used the word "terrorist" whenever there was any complaint about it. Americans are actually being told how much fear to experience, by the coloured terrorist alerts put on display in the national media. It's absolutely incredible how your fear is manipulated by the powers-that-be.

Yet, without explaining your reasoning at all, you completely reverse reality to its opposite position. I can tell you the names of at least four prime suspects in the 9/11 attacks, yet you also lie that I have no names. You just make lie after lie up to defend your utterly bonkers religion and it's frighteningly ridiculous.

Conversation with you is utterly pointless, because you are so monolithically stupid, you actually claim the reverse of the truth is the truth, despite the wealth of actual evidence that contradicts you. It is a conversation going nowhere.

 

911myths is a propaganda junk site. It has less credibility than one of George Zimmerman's wet farts. I have personally discredited half the sh!t they've printed, which is mostly straw men such as "the steel didn't have to melt", completely ignoring the 30 eye-witness reports of "rivers of molten steel", video footage of molten steel pouring out of the south tower, and a reference in the FEMA metallurgy report.

Your problem is that you don't know the difference between reliable and unreliable sources. You will find my links to be to proper news outlets or academic experts, not f!cking blogs written by confirmed idiots.

 

You said, and I quote:

I'm not reversing anything: You stated unequivocally that you are afraid to take action.

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You will find the links at 911Myths connect to news outlets and experts. Check it out, truthseeker.

Here's the full video of Mineta's testimony.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Norman_Mineta_testifies

 

Correct, that was referring to Washington. That was Minetta's testimony. The attempt of the re-writing of history continues on.

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Uh oh...he'll have you banned for that.

 

So Mineta thought he was talking about AA77. Doesn't change the fact that he was mistaken for UA93, nor Does it change the fact he had his time line off by a half hour. Did you watch any of the supporting videos on the blog? Or even read the Secrete Service log I posted?

Monte Belger, the FAA deputy administrator, who was providing information to Mineta that morning about the target inbound to DC, said he never even talked to Mineta until after the Pentagon was hit, around 0945.

We know Cheney never reached the PEOC until just before, or even just after, AA77 hit the Pentagon.

We also know that Mineta did not enter the PEOC until after Cheney. Hell, Mineta himself said he arrived at the White House after it had begun evacuating. The White House did not evacuate until after the Pentagon was hit by AA77.

It is also clear that the earliest known target of AA77 was when it was 30 miles out from DC. How could a "young man" be reporting an aircraft 50 miles out, when the earliest they knew was when it was 30 miles?

Finally, and most importantly, as your own source states it was a shoot down order, not a stand down order. We know the shoot down order was not relaid to Cheney until around 10am that morning. Remember, Cheney does not have the authority to issue a shoot down order, or a stand down order. The order was passed from Bush, to Cheney at around 10am. That order was then conveyed to the fighters out of Andrews AFB, not to NEADS.

Your claim that there were fighter jets trailing AA77 is also a total lie. I would take a look a lot closer to home if I were you before you go calling other people liars Quantumhead.

 

You make too much sense. You'll soon be muted so, enjoy the freedom while you can. Kudos to your arguments though, even though they're probably in futility. You can't pizz off the boss and get away with it. I KNOW. Reinforcements have been summoned, I can assure you.

 

Now you're just shifting your argument. I'll prove this one is also a lie, and then you'll shift it somewhere else. Obviously Cheney was discussing Flight 77, so your very continuation of this argument is futile.

“I remember later on when I heard about the Shanksville plane going down, the Vice President was right across from me, and I said, ‘Do you think that we shot it down ourselves?’ He said, ‘I don’t know.’ He said, ‘Let’s find out.’ So he had someone check with the Pentagon. That was about maybe, let’s say 10:30 or so." (Norman Mineta)

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260607_mineta.html

Flight 77 crashed at 9.37 am, nearly an hour before. You are lying, so stop it.

 

What? What does any of that have to do with what I posted?

I listed several reasons why Cheney and Mineta couldn't have been talking about AA77. I have an entire section on my blog proving that they were talking about UA93. Mineta's time line is off. Nothing more to it. And again, it was a shoot down order. There is absolutely no mention of a stand down anywhere.

Oh, btw, while exposing more of your lies, feel free to support your claim that AA77 had fighters tailing it. I'm guessing these were stealth fighters too because they sure as hell are not on radar, or on record as being scrambled from anywhere.