MOST Americans open to alternative explanations to 9/11

Not much sense posting to you if you think that 93 was shot down....

 

And of course this wouldn't have anything to do with the bad sentiment left over from the invasion of Iraq or the continuing war in Afghanistan? No no, it's all because they are "waking up". Do grow a brain.

And since does the US want a war in Syria? We already know if they wanted a war they don't give two **** what their public think about it.

 

Stop changing the subject. The ultimate fate of UA93 is not relevant to our conversation.

 

I'm not changing the subject,I'm answering your ludicrous claim

 

People are waking up. You're not. You still have your head stuck in the sand or where the sun don't shine. The rest of us are waking up and speaking out. There is a link between the conspiracy of men who killed Kennedy, the Vietnam war, the Watergate scandal, the Savings & Loan crisis, the war in Iraq, 9/11, and the war in Afghanistan. George H. W. Bush was in Dallas when JFK was killed and so was Nixon. If you can not see the connection, then you will likely never understand the world in which you live. The CIA killed Kennedy for power because he was a peace maker.

The report I heard is when John Kerry called for war on Syria, people were calling their representatives at a rate of 300 - 1 against war. Everyone else is waking up.

 

This isn't a JFK thread. You can assert that all you want but you're still just connecting dots which are not there.

What? Clearly you have never heard of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, or the Cuban Missile Crisis? How about backing the 1963 coup in Iraq?

What a silly, silly statement.

 

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It is my opinion that the same team that killed Kennedy pulled 9/11. They covered-up Kennedy's murder for 50 years. And you are trying as you might to cover-up the 9/11 conspiracy. I doubt you can wake up. You are too far gone.

 

Evidence that the plane was being tracked? This seems to be a very one-sided game of evidence, in which you provide none, I provide an abundance, and then you spend the next 6,000 words explaining why all that evidence can be ignored. The transcript I was looking for has mysteriously vanished from the internet. I'm wondering whether you might know something about that, given that you have constantly prompted me for this transcript among a smorgasbord of other points which you have simply ignored.

DCA Gofer zero-six, go ahead.
GOFER 06 Yes sir, that aircraft is down, he’s in our 12 o’clock position, ah, look’s like it’s just to the, uh, northwest of the airfield at this time, sir.
DCA Gofer eight-six, thank you. Descend and maintain two thousand.
GOFER 06 OK, We are down to two thousand. And, uh, this is Gofer zero six, it looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir.
DCA Gofer eight-six, Gofer zero-six, thank you.
NASYPANY [indistinct] If need be. I don’t care how many windows you break.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/09/08/nyregion/911-tapes.html?_r=0

The CBS tower dialoges indicate: "But the jet, flying at more than 400 mph, was too fast and too high when it neared the Pentagon at 9:35. The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn. Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes."

http://www.humanunderground.com/11september/pent-data-77.html

Eight minutes before the crash, at 9:30 a.m. EDT, radar tracked the plane as it closed to within 30 miles of Washington.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/primary-target/

We constantly scanned skyward with our "eyeball radar," noting the sound of every jet engine seemed to make us jump. Fortunately, the only aircraft noise was the crisp distinctive ripping sound was of Air Force F-16's or the roar and popping of the rotor blades of a Park Police UH-1 helicopter surveying the damage. The only large fixed wing aircraft to appear was a gray C-130, which appeared to be a Navy electronic warfare aircraft, he seemed to survey the area and depart in on a westerly heading.

http://www.humanunderground.com/11september/pent-data-77.html

About 9:30, the phone that connects his tower to the Secret Service rang. A voice on the other end said an unidentified aircraft was speeding toward Washington. Stephenson looked at the radarscope and saw that the jet was about five miles to the west.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-08-11-voices_x.htm

Now you're just being absurd, which is half the reason I don't want to converse with you. The fact that the plane was not shot down is pretty clear evidence that it was not a shootdown order. The transcript I read which has been removed from the internet also confirms that pilots were not cleared to engage flight 77. Norman Mineta assumed it was a shootdown order, but it can now be seen that logically that cannot be true. There would be no reason to reconfirm the order with the VP on the basis that the plane was closer to the Pentagon unless it was an order not to engage.

 

Now you're lying. You are obviously changing the subject. UA93 came down an hour after Mineta said he heard Cheney speaking to his aide. How it came down is of no relevance to what we were talking about, and if you wish to challenge a claim which has been made, whether the main point or an auxiliary point, then it is customary and polite to provide some evidence that you are doing something other than lying.

 

Man, I'm spellbound here. You're blowing holes in each and every piece of what the shill argument consists of. Keep at it bro!! The people that want to know the truth, ought to be able to get it easily enough through your communication skills. Don't man...don't stop. I'm cataloging all of this in case it somehow mysteriously "disappears". Love you bro!!!

 

Shout out to you too bro! I love it!! You guys are spot on! Hopefully, the intelligent reader (and maybe even SOME of the ignorant ones) can learn something. Kudos, and keep it up. I'm so frustrated trying to engage in honest conversations with these guys, I barely even try anymore but, I'm glad you guys still have the energy to combat the BS. Very refreshing. (I'm getting popcorn now).

 

Right back at ya. Great Thread!

 

So from this thread are we to assume the US are just a bunch of lazy beggers, who know their government is a bunch of murders but just can't be bothered doing anything about it? Even if by "anything" just signing an online petition, or walking down the street to a 9/11 truth rally?

 

Oh, c'mon man. How about a "come see my blog" ad?

Way to overlook the points raised too,by the way...a tribute to your expert training, no doubt.

 

Jesus,get a room you two.

 

You have yet to adequately address the points in his blog,sigmund,so get off your damn high horse

 

Exactly what is the point you are tying to make?

 

Really, you have come to this amazing conclusion after asking a mere from 1,200 Americans from a total exceeding 300mill? Remind me not to employ you as an Accountant or a mathematician.

The USA must have really shrink since I last visited it, which is about fifteen years ago. Or maybe, your mathematical training was limited to a 'two up' school.

 

300 million were given false facts to go by. Get the correct facts out to those 300 million, and let's see what the math reveals.

 

No they were NOT...You troofers have been feeding them false scenarios and wildly unsubstantiated allegations for over TEN years,effectively defecating on the memory of those who died

See what the math reveals.....you don't have a clue..

 

Many of the victims families would LOVE a new investigation. (the families the 'commission' chose to ignore and not accept any testimony from, during their "investigation into the "truth").

Deal out ALL the cards instead of only the ones the criminals want played.

 

The only reason many of the victims family members wanted a new investigation is not because they believe 9/11 was an inside job, but because they wanted to see heads roll. That's not what the commission was there for. That's not how investigations are done any more. But some people are never happy until someone else is put to blame.

 

Obviously, you've never heard any opinions of the 'Jersey girls'. I guess they don't count though, for some strange reason. Right?

 

I know of the Jersey Girls. When I said "many of the victims families" I couldn't exactly say "not all many" or "Most many" could I.. maybe next time I'll say "many of the many"

 

If you followed the thread you would know. Asking impolitely when your knowledge gap is demonstrably down to your own laziness is outright rude.

My point was that Flight 77 was being tracked as it approached the Pentagon, and that Dick Cheney gave an order not to shoot it down. In fact he reconfirmed the order, so he actually gave it twice.