My dislike for homosexuality has nothing to do with religion

Blackrook is the topic.

 

The boy in question is 17, so its legal.

But if this guy were going after a 17-year-old girl, I would feel the same way.

 

Nope the report does not say that homosexuality is more common among the poor it says that homosexuals, especially couples, are more likely to be poor. It then goes on to explain why which has nothing to do with motivation and more to do with access to services, employment discrimination, greater costs than heterosexuals for essentially the same services and higher taxes, health insurance etc. due to not being able to marry. Also less family support than heterosexual couples.

Gender is sometimes a factor with lesbian couples fairing worse that heterosexual couples and gay male couples often actually fairing better:

Percent of poor and low income adult couples (household and partner) census 2000: Straight: 6.7/20.9, Gay Male: 5.5/14.2, Lesbian: 9.4/22.2

Other factors such as high rates of homelessness among LGBT youth are also mentioned. It's a very interesting report. Perhaps you should read it?

 

I wouldn't care if it is legal or not. There is something wrong with a 30 yo hanging with a 17 yo IMO. The age difference to too great they are not even close in their developmental stages. In your post you basically said you don't know the couple either. Did you look his name up on the national registry? Be careful, you could be inviting trouble into your home. You are the adult here, it is your responsibility to protect your family. Don't count on the kids to know any better.

 

Okay- so now you think its laziness- and lack of stigma that motivates boys to become homosexuals.

So once again- assuming you were growing up now, where there is far less stigma associated with being gay- and assuming you were lazier- you think you would have been cruising the parks looking for love, rather than chasing girls?

This is my point- I keep hearing folks like yourself rationalizing how guys choose to have sex with other guys- but I have yet to hear another fellow old guy say "Oh yeah I would have certainly have had sex with men" - it is always "other people make this choice because they are lazy/no stigma/ etc.'

When I watch George Clooney out with his latest hottie younger girffriend- I am checking out the curves of his GF, not George. If you are looking at the GF- and not George- you are not inclined to have man sex just because your next door neighbor is willing, even though he is hairy and smelly.

 

I think I'm just going to tell my son that this man is not welcome in my home. If that means the gay kid doesn't come over any more, so be it. He should have asked me before inviting this man into my house. I am not comfortable with him around, and I don't have to explain it because its my home and my rules.

 

I wouldn't be allowing it in my house regardless of either gender. My daughter's best friend brings over her 30 year old BF, I would politely disinvite the old guy.

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Smartest thing I have seen you post in a long time.

 

Heterosexuals spend LOTs of time validating and declaring themselves that they are indeed heterosexual.

I see it in bars in my neighborhood all the time- and of course here in this thread.

 

He made it up.

 

Amen brother. Don't forget to look him up as well.

 

Personally, I think people should be more accepting of this attitude instead of trying to convert everyone to embracing homosexuality. I do think that most people who haven't been conditioned from an early age probably do feel some kind of natural gut-level repulsion toward it. It doesn't mean you don't like the people or can't be nice to them. It just means your physiology has a natural programming to avoid the behavior.

One of my best friends in 4th grade grew up to be gay. I didn't know he was actually gay at the time. We used to tease him about it and call him gay back in 4th grade, but it was mostly just boys being boys. He was still our friend.

But the actual act of homosexual behavior naturally triggered nausea in my stomach whenever I was around it as I got older. And I remember more and more of society trying to condition me into believing that was bad. Even though I had no control over my body's response to it. I actually posted a thread about this once, and while a few people got it, most people were still incredibly judgmental about it. Even though some of them still recognized that I had no more control over my physical reaction to homosexuality than gay people had to being gay, they basically just said, "Too bad. You're bad because of the way nature made you." Oh, the irony.

Don't you people already do that? Isn't that most of the problem?

 

I'm not one of those people. It is preposterous to believe that we "choose" our sexuality. I think people who try to make that case do so to intentionally concoct some ridiculous strawman so they can justify in their minds inequitable treatment by the law.

I don't doubt that.

 

Thank you for the cite and the statistics. That said, I think it's a bit of a stretch to call 18% an "exceedingly high rate."

 

I'm not sure why religious peole feel they have to display their religion openly in front of other people. They know they are making people uncomfortable, so they should just stop as a matter of being polite.

 

Interestingly, I don't have that kind of physical reaction. I don't really understand how someone could be attracted to their own gender, but it really doesn't bother me. I too grew up using the word "f-g" to taunt my friends, and if something was lame or not cool, we'd call it "gay." It was understood among my peer group that in using those words we weren't actually accusing the other of being homosexual, but it was, as you say, boys being boys. It wasn't until later--maybe by 6th or 7th grade when girls went from being gross to looking awfully good that "gay" took on a whole new meaning and it did literally mean homosexual. And as most people do, especially at that age, I went along with the crowd, denouncing homosexuality as "sick" and "perverted" and boasted that I would "beat up" any f-g that I discovered. But internally, I really didn't see what the big deal was. By the time I reached high school, I was over it. Frankly, I don't care what two people do in the privacy of their homes--it is none of my business and it never has been. I don't want to watch anybody sucking face in public... gay, straight, bi, what have you. But if I see two guys holding hands in the grocery store? Good for them...

But I wonder what it is that causes you to have that visceral response yet I am totally unfazed by it? I'm asking sincerely. You have any thoughts on this?

 

Which would mean 73% of the victims were female. The link you posted says that 96% of offenders are male. So wouldn't that mean there is a higher rate of "heterosexual" molestation?

 

And males having sex with underage females is not a severe problem?

 

See, this is where we differ. We actually did associate those words with being homosexual when we used them. It meant you liked other boys and that was gross.

We differ here too. I never went through that "girls are gross" phase. In fact, I used to be embarrassed about liking them. Because I didn't want to get made fun of. There was a girl as far back as preschool that had a crush on me and would chase me around the classroom. And even though I played it off like it sucked to look cool to my friends, in my head the whole time I was thinking, "This is awesome!"

By the time I got to high school, I had been thoroughly coerced into acceptance. All my favorite bands were going out of their way to (*)(*)(*)(*) off mainstream America by saying and doing overtly gay things and the counterculture seemed to be bitterly forcing this new narrative on everybody else. I never liked it and it always felt wrong, but I just accepted it anyway because these were the people I looked up to at the time.

Just a natural reaction. It's always been there. Most of my friends had it too. In fact, I maintain that most healthy kids probably had it at some point if they weren't indoctrinated early on. Although it's been dulled significantly over the years through societal desensitization.

 

I don't think in the 4th grade we even knew what sexuality was let alone homosexuality.

That is interesting. I don't think I ever knew a boy growing up who wasn't afraid of getting "cooties" from touching a girl. Again, this lasts until about the 6th grade, maybe 7th? And the those curves start to look awfully nice... little do we know what we will put ourselves through for the rest of our lives to get a look at them.

What bands were you listening to that were doing "overtly gay things?" Just curious...

Fair enough. As I said, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from on this one, not having had that reaction myself. Can I ask how old you are? You don't have to answer, of course, but I sense that maybe we're not too far apart in age and I wonder if that has any bearing on this discussion. I'm 44, by the way. I was actually born on the first day of Woodstock--August 15, 1969, but my parents were far from anything that resembled a hippie. So I guess you could say I am a child of the '70s, came of age in the '80s. Damn, now I'm making myself feel old.

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It would appear that 18% is an "exceedingly high" proportion in some people's minds.

 

Kids were already dating when I was in 4th grade. Well, as much as you can "date" in 4th grade. It was basically just holding hands on the playground at school and hanging out on the weekends, I think. I don't really know. I wasn't popular enough to have a girlfriend back then. I remember a kid in my Scout troop was dating the hottest girl in our grade and I was so envious.

Nirvana was dressing in drag and kissing each other on Saturday Night Live. Faith No More was writing songs about gay sex. Green Day was talking about going both ways in the media. The Red Hot Chili Peppers were just being all around homoerotic in general. And Marilyn Manson was sodomizing his band members. Or so the rumors went.

Wow. Yeah, I thought we were pretty close in age too. But I'm about a decade behind you. I'm 34. Child of the '80s. Grew up in the '90s.

 

Anyone on Board who does NOT appreciate

2 Lovely Ladies doing "it"?

I think not.


Moi

 

Because I read these forums by clicking on "new posts".... not by individual forum.

"My Dislike for Homosexuality" was an invite to come enjoy the reaction... who could pass that up.

No, sorry.

And stop calling me insulting names.

He wasn't in need of help.



"basher".... there's always a name for those who disagree with you, eh ?

Finally realize "hater" and "homophobe" are all used up ?

 

Lol... funny how the insecure always have to make it known... or "clarify"... "but I'm not one of them".... "I'm FARRRR from gay!".... "I am soooo manly!"

And coincidentally, all those who do so, online, seem to have the hottest wives on Earth.

Funny how that works.

zzz...

 

I agree with this, but like the OP.... I don't have a problem seeing a man and a woman give each other a quick kiss.
Making out is a different story.

Then again, I haven't minded seeing good looking girls kiss each other either....(sigh.. I miss high school and college).

Guys, though... would just gross me out.

But.....

They have the same right to do so as anyone else.
My opinions of it have nothing to do with their rights.

 

Pretty sure he already answered that.

Why don't people read before they take the time to type out their misinformed overreactions ?

"....his friends sometime bring over their girlfriends and they show PDA and it doesn't really bother me"

You're welcome.

Now... ask a new question.