My dislike for homosexuality has nothing to do with religion

That's not an answer.

Anyway, watching you refute the actual DOJ's numbers was enough to make me wonder the same thing.

Then I realized, from your POV on all this (if you know what I mean) causes you to argue against facts because it goes against all your club has told you.

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He did.

ffs...

 

And if you felt that way about your son's black friend- and his white girlfriend?

I understand aversions- little kids tend to get grossed out by PDA by any adults- straight or gay. When I was little- and you probably remember this because you are close to my age- seeing a mixed race couple kissing was real uncomfortable to me.

My suggestion- tell your son that his friends should be respectful about their PDA.

And heck- I have nothing against telling any of them that they can't bring age inappropriate BF or GF over.

Its your house- you make the rules. But I find your personal offense no different than if this was a racial issue.

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Just fake numbers.

 

It's kind of funny because I think the same thing about your behavior. The hate, anger, and intolerance that permeates your every post is repulsive. I wonder what the man whom you allegedly "follow" would have to say about your hate-filled presence which is completely anathema to his teachings. I truly wonder, since Jesus himself never touched upon the theme of homosexuality, what he would have to say about his "followers" going out of their way to spread the vile and disgusting sentiment that seems to be a ubiquity in the right-wing though process.

 

No he didn't.. he said they are repulsive and they make him uncomfortable.
Why put words in his mouth ?
Why not stick to the things that are actually typed.
It's crazy how so many here choose not to.

So even if he had said what you claim, it is far from hate.
Disliking homosexuality is nowhere near the same as hating gay people.

You gays should stop shouting that at everyone who disapproves, because it makes you look silly.... almost girly.

Then you should read it again.
I said all same-sex pedos are gay. How is that saying all gays are pedos ?!

No one on Earth would say that.

Please tell me you put more thought into this than those other 2....
Because twisting peoples' words into hateful comments can only last a few replies into your posting history before all cred is gone.

 

I specifically asked him that question.
He has yet to reply.
I see you didn't go there. Got the data?

His data showed no such correlation.

 

Maybe you should institute a house rule about "romping around."

 

Homosexuality is not inherently a political issue unless people insist on making it so. Sexuality of all sorts (excepting crimes like rape) is private behavior among consenting adults. It's no more political than choice of wardrobe or hairstyle. Even less so, since it's usually not done in public.

Homosexuality becomes political in two ways: when legal rights or privileges depend on one's sexual status, e.g., marriage; when many people feel they can't tolerate the existence of any sort of sexuality differing from their own, or the sexuality endorsed by moral authorities. That last distinction is important because the privacy in which most sexual behavior is shrouded makes it a topic rife with hypocrisy. The sexuality many people feel they should endorse because it's what they see others endorse may not be what they actually do, or may not reflect how they actually feel. In fact, we don't really know what's normal. We only know what's publicized.

Heterosexuality is obviously necessary for the propagation of our species, yet homosexuality has always been with us. Homosexuality was common in the most ancient and most far-flung cultures of which we know. In that sense, homosexuality is normal. It's the proclivity of a minority, but a minority that is an ineradicable part of humanity.

And people have tried to eradicate homosexuality. Hitler sent homosexuals to the ovens. The medieval church demanded 30 days on bread and water for offenders. Homosexuals have been excluded from jobs and education. In large American cities, there is an underground of teenagers as young as 12 who have been thrown out by their families and live on the streets with their fellows. When I was a grad student in psychology 35 years ago, I was taught ways to "cure" homosexuality by giving electric shocks to people who became aroused looking at same-sex photos.

Despite centuries of merciless persecution by self-appointed guardians of the moral order, homosexuality persists, in numbers undiminished. Far from being a moral disorder, homosexuality is part of the spectrum of humanity. It is normal, even if found in small numbers, like Republicans in Manhattan.

But homosexuality's normality will not appease many people. They can not accept people other than themselves. They feel revulsion and hate. Is this different than the revulsion and hate many feel for people of different races or nationalities or politics or socioeconomic status? I don't see how. It's only an expression of self-love.

Sadly, many people - and this applies to so many things, not just sexuality - believe that when two things differ, one must be better than the other. They reject the natural variety of life. So when homosexuals emerge from the shadows, as they have in recent years, and simply say that it's OK to be them, heterosexuals who feel everything must be ranked become enraged because they feel unashamed homosexuals are challenging the validity of their identity and way of life. If you believe everything must be ranked, then saying homosexuals are OK is the same as saying heterosexuals are not OK. This explains mysteries such as the many people who say homosexual marriage will destroy marriage. What they're saying is that since everything must be ranked, homosexual marriage somehow demotes heterosexual marriage. It does little good to explain to such people that they may continue to marry and live as they choose, and it would be decent of them to extend that courtesy to others. They feel they must keep homosexuals down to keep themselves up.

The same point applies to religious antagonists. If your church preaches against homosexuality, then you're fortunate no law forces you to practice homosexuality. Why not live according to your wishes and let others do the same? Now this is the second problem: people who won't mind their own business. If homosexuals do not impinge on you in any way or infringe your rights, why are you so driven to impose your beliefs? Why must you form a sexual Al Qaeda? Just Mind Your Own Business, and we may all get along.

 

I recommend you challenge psychology, and UC Davis rather than myself, as the Data is not mine.

 

I have and so have many others.

 

So by your logic... if their actions DO have an effect on my life... then I have a say in those actions. Correct?

 

How's that going for ya'

If this thread is an example of the results....uh....the uphill is extreme.


Basically, you are holding and defending a position that is not only in the minority...but destined to be seen as ignorant based on the trends and science.

I would wish you luck if it was not so completely pathetic in the reality of our society.

 

Sorry, but I don't believe a word of your story!

This is obviously expressed as a personal opinion, not as a fact, but I believe you are just desperate to show how "open minded" you are, while at the same time expressing the worse kind of prejudice.

I wish I could be more supportive, but I just don't believe your story.

 

I think you are completely underestimating the millions, and millions, who you aren't reading in your online forums.

Minority on here? of course. Gay threads bring out the gays by the dozens.
Racist threads bring out the racists.
Etc.

To say that his beliefs are in the minority is a clear sign that you haven't a clue.

 

whatever you say.......

"The slight majority of American adults, 54%, consider gay or lesbian relations morally acceptable. Public acceptance of gay/lesbian relations as morally acceptable grew slowly but steadily from 38% in 2002 to 56% in 2011 and is now holding at the majority level."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154634/acceptance-gay-lesbian-relations-new-normal.aspx

anything short of a majority...is a minority.

I am sure there are other examples that say otherwise....but the pew results a generally accepted as unbiased.

 

While I'm sure you celebrate that of all the years of humankind, the last 3 have shown a majority at Gallup.
Yay for you guys. Honestly... that validation must relieve the desire to throw the "hate" word around.

Who are polled? People listed in phone books only? People outside the mall? People on the college campuses ?

People tend to forget the majority of the country, who live in outskirts & countrysides.
And we like it that way.
"Leave us out of your BS" is basically the country motto.

 

I do apologize !
I was following discussion and not thread title or maybe just a dyslexia strikes phenomena.


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My personal reactions are and I believe shared by most straight men:

2 Lovely Ladies "doing it" together is not at all repulsive, and somewhat entertaining if not arousing.
2 handsome Men "doing it" makes me feel sick, repulsed, "keep it private, please".

And my wife and mother-in-law agree to the same feelings.

To add confusion to it all. I never watch sports but can be hypnotized by an LFL game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09MN3e9OwV0
I have resolved a straight man preferring to watch LFL is straighter then preferring the NFL


Moi

 

I am not the topic of this thread. Reported.

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Reported for calling me a liar.

 

Then why are you here? Gay?
And you didn't bother to help out your fellow basher with stats, neither has he. But I really didn't expect you'd find any to support your's and his claim.

 

toddww and Sadanie have made me the topic of this thread, instead of what I said, so I have reported them and will now put them on ignore.

But really, I don't hate homosexuals, I never have hated homosexuals. It is not fair for people to accuse others of hating homosexuals when that's not what's going on.

But there's a basic human instinct that finds homosexual behavior repugnant. My guess is that its a survival instinct, for if the vast majority of people turned to homosexuality, the human race would die out.

Which has nothing to do with morality or Christianity. Normal sex isn't repugnant to me, even if I know the partners aren't married and therefore the sex is immoral. And I think most other normal people feel the same way.

Anyway, I'm not sure why homosexuals feel they have to display their PDA openly in front of other people. They know they are making people uncomfortable, so they should just stop as a matter of being polite.

 

Just to clarify...I am far from gay, and in fact married to a woman you likely see in liquid dreams. Your assumption that I am some champion of gay rights is unfounded. I do however, see people as equal in this country regardless of who they want to be with.
When the time comes that you somehow manage to enjoy the beauty I do in the female form....you can counter my position. For now....go bach to you mothers basement and enjoy the internet.

Accepting your fellow humans as human....is a pretty cool thing to do.

 

Did I call you a liar? I believe what I said was that I didn't believe you.

 

Why would ANYONE "feel they have to display their PDA openly in front of other people?" What's good for the geese. . . .

 

I feel like it's just as bad or worse to try to run a society based on Christian Sharia as it would be to force Christians to embrace things that they don't like. My understanding has always been that the Bible is more about what I may and may not do rather than what I should be beating people up for doing or not doing. It's simple -- leave each other alone, go to your corners, and let the civil laws come down as they may. I don't think it would be right for me to do some things that are legal, for example contraception or abortion or things like that. But, this is a constitutional republic made for people of all religions or no religion, so I don't get to legislate what you do either in your homes or churches, but I also don't want you to force me to do things that I believe are wrong or evil. I don't get to ban contraceptives for you, you don't get to force me to provide them for you or pay for them. It's not a hard balance.

I'm not a big fan of any PDOA, it's just not something I like to watch beyond a certain level of affection.

 

Yes, I agree with this.

Normal men don't watch homosexual pornography and don't want to see homosexual men engaging in PDA in their home.

 

I think your behavior is really repulsive and its not polite to flaunt it.

Really? Would you deny two people of the opposite sex a public kiss?