Neely was a threat and a danger to everyone around him

As proven, you know **** about NY State self-defence laws.

 

Prove that happened.

 

I understand he had a past, but the question is was he acting that way on the day that the Marine thought his life was in danger and had no duty to retreat because he was in a subway car? Second, we don't know what the other people have stated officially. Right now, he is charged, but there is still a possibility of a no bill by the grand jury in a week or so. And if worst-case scenario, the Marine goes to trial, he has a good chance at winning, assuming Neely was acting the way posters said he was acting.

the other problem is the Marine does not know Neely from Adam, so he does not know what his past was. No one knew. The Marine did say in a statement that he should have been in a mental institution, and that is now damn near impossible for anyone above the age 18 unless it is based on a criminal matter.

 

It can be yes, but the main problem is no adult can be forced into a mental institution anywhere in the USA after the 1980s. It is either voluntary, with a maximum of 30 days or court-ordered if that has something to do with a crime and that is a short term too. But we no longer have mental institutions where people are forced into those facilities. And since neely obvously did not have private insurance because any government insurance really do not pay for any serious mental health unless it is the drugs in which he has to self medicate. And I don't think he was keeping that up given his economic situation.

That being said, I trust the system. To my knowledge, sometime in the next week or two, a grand jury will hear the case and may or may not indict. Even if indicted, he may still have a good chance at winning and proving his case. But there is very little actual information about the whole incident in the particulars on what led up to that moment, what Neely did specifically, and so forth. And that will come out sooner or later, most definitely in the trial, if need be.

 

You have not quoted this mentally-ill person threatening anyone. Deadly choke holds are not licensed by angry shouting.

Why do you need to pretend that the victim had "threatened" unspecified people?

 

This whole thing is a nightmare, tragic. We don't have a verdict yet much less all the evidence.

I suspect that as the media has claimed a history of violent speech, and that according to bystanders violent speech and possibly aggressive gestures were used on the part of Neely that day. IF the defense can show this in court their is a good chance Penny will be declared "not guilty" .

HOWEVER, there will most certainly be a civil suit by the Neely Family against Penny. Wrongful death. Penny is certainly culpable and might be found liable in Neely's untimely demise.

 

Sanctioning the killing of an obviously mentally-impaired person for yelling in America will lower the threshold of human decency and compassion considerably.

 

What "violent speech"?
Neely did not verbally threaten anyone.

What "aggressive gestures"?

Because I missed the part where Neely was wielding a knife or gun thereby threatening the lives of the bystanders but fortunately for all the "good samaritan" Daniel Penny came behind Neely and got him to the ground in a chokehold and after 15 mins all were safe because Neely was dead.

 

Is that an accusation against me Natty Bumpo? If so you did not read what I wrote.

There is a common miconception contrary to common sense that mentally ill people are dangerous. The fact is, and I can probably locate studies to this effect, if you demand, that the mentally ill are more likely to be victims of assault due to their erratic behavior than they are to be perpetrators of assault. I do not not excuse violent behavior but I do excuse erratic behavior.

Like I said in my above post. We don't have all the evidence yet. I said "IF", this was meant to designate a senerio that may or may not have happened. So please do not make accusations.

 

You require an example of violent speech?

How about, "I'M GOING TO KILL EVERY FXXXING MOTHER FXXXER ON THIS FXXXING TRAIN!!!"

You require an example of agreesive behavior?

How about winding up to strike somebody else?

And like I said, these things may not have happened in the Neely v. Penny incident. We should reserve judgement until all the evidence is compiled. You can't trust the media these days, because "feelings".

 

We're presently being bombarded with an avalanche of emotional appeals on this tragedy, Perhaps a check of facts will help.

First, the coroner's report listed the cause of death as homicide.

Next, we as a society have enacted laws which address homicide. [It should be noted that we, as a society, generally subscribe to the rule of law.]

In New York State, 2nd degree manslaughter specifically addresses the present case.

Are we to apply the law selectively or uniformly?

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

It took 11 days before Penny was arrested, the prosecutors had worked with the police dept and witnesses during their investigation and gathered enough evidence to charge Penny with 2nd degree manslaughter.


"Donte Mills, a lawyer for Neely's family, disputed Penny's version of events, saying the veteran “acted with indifference. He didn’t care about Jordan, he cared about himself. And we can’t let that stand.”

“Mr. Neely did not attack anyone." Mills said at a news conference Friday. “He did not touch anyone. He did not hit anyone. But he was choked to death.”

 

We also guarantee the right to self-defense and the privilege of defending others when assault is committed. And use of preemptive fore may be found justified if assult is presumed imminent in a court of law. The court of public opinion is largely irrelevant except for those might riot.

 

Just as I thought.
You have nothing.

 

Of course the families attorney claimed that. The possibility of financial gain for the attorney is dependent on the degree of Neely's culpability. He sure as heck would not apologize and why wouldn't he use selected evidence?

 

Hi, Green Man.

We may be in agreement here. The law can be served by bringing the matter before a jury. The jury will then decide upon what, if anything, to do with regard to the homicide. Juries have the freedom to reject the penalties imposed by law through a 'not guilty' verdict.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

Are you handicapped?

What did I say that you deem "nothing"?

 

Nope, not under NY self-defence laws.
A chokehold that caused death does not equate to reasonable force used on a guy that was raving distresses but didn't have a weapon, and didn't assault anyone so there wasn't even a legal imminent fear of death that would ever warrant the 15 min chokehold deadly response.

 

He is all of those things but if you are going to use a chokehold, you had better know what you are doing. If his Marine training included the use of chokeholds, he's got a problem. If not, it was an accidental death caused by the abandonment of citizens to the tender mercies of the criminals. ​

 

Neely wasn't doing anything physically violent, but can you read his mind on what he is capable of doing? The witnesses on the subway felt threatened. And he had a record of violence against people. Neely started it and a Marine came to the rescue. Semper Fi. If I ever ride a subway again I hope Penny is in my car.
Stop defending these low-life criminals and stand up for citizens who will protect you.

 

I don't know why you would imagine that I have accused you of anything. I had no such intent. I agree with the sentiment you expressed. Victimization of the mentally-ill is abhorrent.

I commented, "Sanctioning the killing of an obviously mentally-impaired person for yelling in America will lower the threshold of human decency and compassion considerably."

 

Right on.

I apologize for my erroneous assumption Natty Bumpo. I wasn't being fair to you.

 

If I was unclear, the fault is mine.

 

Nah, I made assumptions that were not stated. My foul.

 

Some clown telling you something isn’t a medic or a professional telling you something? I’d ignore them too.