Noah's Flood part II

Another distortion. The whole article does not say that. There are many views expressed in the article, some agreeing, some not. The webpage admits there are multiple issues with the page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans

 

Are you even aware that you are just making up these things?

 

Humans are apes bud. This is basic biology.

A better comparison (again, you need logically consistent comparisons) would be "are humans chimps"? In which case, the answer is obvious. However such a question does nothing to refute the fact that humans are apes.

 

Yes, it does, since ape is a term used to describe a group of species that includes humans. Just like primate is a classification for many different primates. It blows my mind that you're fine with admitting that we are primates, but not apes.

Ape is a synonym for Hominoidea.

The definitions of the words ape, Hominid, and Hominidae were all different 200 years ago. They have changed. Now ape means any member of the family Hominidae. Why do you have a problem with definitions changing?

Sorry, almost every biologist disagrees with you. Genetically, we are apes and we have evolved from ape ancestors. The evidence is overwhelming. So, get educated.

Except they do use the word ape.

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1003125

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1000546

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0057026

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0049805

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0029030

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0028801

Each one of those papers uses the term ape and Great Ape to describe Hominidae and the species belonging to it. So, you're wrong, and you need to admit it because I just proved you wrong.

 

How is there a part 2 to this thread???

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=331489

 

Did all the human races evolve at the same speed from the common ancestor? Or did they all appear at the same time from the same ancestor?

 

It is said you have to know most of the answer before you can ask a good question.

this was not a very good question.

Here is why:

What is a "race"? Please be very specific, that is needed here.

What does "evolve at the same speed" mean?

People of any sort did not just "appear" any more than the beagle just "appeared", of the French language.

As for "same ancestor" I am sinodont, Im guessing you are sudadont.
You'd have to go back an awful lot of generations to find where we are related.

So what do you mean, "same ancestor"?

 

No, you ought to accept reality. The definition of ape includes humans. You can disagree with that definition, but it's the reality of the situation.

 

Check the quote yourself, the word 'orange' does not even appear in it at all. You introduced that. Please try to be honest for once.

 

Haha, this is priceless. He actually posted a definition of apes that explicitly contains humans. It seems that not only does he not bother reading other people's posts, he doesn't even bother reading his own drivel.

 

Lol, ok now I know why there's a part two to this thread.

 

So once the first humans appeared, in the current form, the races came after that?

 

Please. What do you mean by "races"?

and

why are you talking about "appear" again? I already addressed that!


People of any sort did not just "appear" any more than the beagle just "appeared", of the French language

Perhaps this is what you are asking...tell me if it is.

Was there a time when H. sapiens sapiens existed as a single "race"?

To which I'd have to say, "I dont know".
It seems possible to me.

Why do you ask, does it matter?

 

What do you mean by races? Do you mean the current classification of humans into sub-groups like Negroid, Mongoloid, and Caucasoid?

Here is some information on that subject: http://ib.berkeley.edu/labs/slatkin/popgenjclub/pdf/nei-roychoudhury1974.pdf

 

Likely, according to our current understanding the Homo Sapiens Sapiens race was but one of several in the genus at the time it separated into it's own off shoot branch. If you are referring to individual ecological differences within the race we are no longer dealing with evolution vs. creation, but have decided on evolution as the basis of reality. Unless you think God went into the details of skin color, facial hair, breast size, nose size, cheekbone layout...etc.

 

Now in the Bible we are told
Of old Noah, brave and bold
When all around the world was full of sin.
God looked down from above the sky
And with a very doleful sigh
Said ‘I’ll consign that dreadful lot unto the bin’.

Now looking down quite closely
He saw that it was mostly
Sin and evil. But then, on a second look,
There appeared a shining light
Gleaming brightly through the night.
God thought ‘This could be a chapter in my book.

So he sat and thought and pondered
Until his thoughts had wandered
And he needed to refresh his troubled mind.
So he went and took a needed bath
And with a sudden, shrieking laugh
A plot appeared to him. ‘I’ll drown mankind’.

But then his heart was rather troubled.
Poor old Noah’s family had doubled
Since his sons had all decided to get wed.
And Noah wasn’t really bad
So it really would be sad
To drown them with the others in the Med.

So this is what God planned to do.
He’d have a boat, and then a Zoo.
And choose Noah to be the one to oversee
The working of his mighty plan.
A boat built by the hand of man
But fashioned by God to stand a stormy sea.

So Noah took the task in hand
And with his rather tiny band
Of workers, all non-union men and free,
To work just as they pleased
Though often they were teased
By those that were outside the family.

Now the work was completed just in time
And there began the arduous climb
Of all the creatures from across the world.
Just to keep them all apart
Sent palpitations to Noah’s heart
Lest the tail if the Taiwanese pig became unfurled.

Now when all the work was finished
And the Sunshine was diminished
And storm clouds in the sky began the pour,
There was such relief inside
When the door was shut and tied
They all settled down, and the pig began to snore.

What the Bible does not say, I ‘ll tell.
Inside the Ark things were not always well.
For all the creatures had very different ways.
You see, neither the Pig, the goat or lamb
Were at all keen on the Spam.
While the Lion, well, they kept out of his gaze.

The mouse and the elephant collided.
This quite innocent incident provided
A terrible scene, with the elephant lying prostrate,
And with a very loud scream
Asking for some soothing cream
To be applied by his unsympathetic female mate.

The flea problem was right from the start.
They often went for a meal ‘a la carte’.
But thanks to scratching, they were never lost long.
Noah had a problem with Hippo and Rhino?
‘Look. They’ve gone and messed up my lino’.
Though the problem was really the terrible ‘pong‘.

One more little fact you didn’t know.
The flood was really scheduled to go
On for much longer. But ‘someone’ - hard to tell -
Forgot, or really didn’t think
They could end up in the drink.

BUT

Wooden boats and woodworm mix only too well!

 

You left out blood types and finger prints .

 

Evolved or created. Both theories come from a single source.

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It isn't. The OP took it OT in the OP.

 

Wow, that takes skill.

 

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No, they have been experimenting for years to try to evolved apes into humans and all these experiments are carried out with HUMAN INTERVENTION soon I believe they will succeed in evolving apes into humans .....

Ah, so you are saying no experiments are happening not even in communist China and that what ever experiments that are happening are not being done by humans but are just happening??
Here check the mirrors and maybe you will understand what you are saying.
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Apes are apes not humans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

Sir Wilfrid Le Gros Clark was one of the primatologists who developed the idea that there were "trends" in primate evolution and that the living members of the order could be arranged in a series, leading through "monkeys" and "apes" to humans. Within this tradition, "ape" refers to all the members of the superfamily Hominoidea, except humans. Thus "apes" are a paraphyletic group, meaning that although all the species of apes descend from a common ancestor, the group does not include all the descendants of that ancestor, because humans are excluded.

The diagram below shows the currently accepted evolutionary relationships of the Hominoidea,[2] with the group traditionally called "apes" marked by a bracket. = humans are not in that bracket of apes.
The "apes" are traditionally divided further into the "lesser apes" and the "great apes":[10] = humabns are not group as part of the great ape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

Clearly modern science is learning the truth that humans can not have evolved from apes and that the word "ape" was first coined by early European scientist who has racial political alterior motives aside from science.

 

Races means = Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Malays, Hindus, Russians, Germans, English, Cree, Apache, Eskimos, Persians, Hebrews, Canaanites, Maronite, Egyptians, Greeks, etc. etc. So now did all the different races evolved and from which ape group or species did each race evolved from? We know that apes evolved first before humans so how and which?

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I am saying that your lie about scientists trying to make apes into humans is a lie. Is that simple enough?

What is your deal, that you think it is ok for you to lie all the time?

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if that is what it means to you, so much the worse for you.