Obama moves to ease student loan burdens -- Thanks Obama!

You're for price controls, but not lower prices. Makes sense. Lets make it so that all school tuition is only $20,000 a year regardless of where you go. Harvard, MIT or College Park.

 

How many people in this country earn the minimum wage?

Also, he is right. France as a very high youth unemployment rate. Are you aware why?

 

Yeah, baby, now you're talking. Socialism.

 

If you want socialism the warm pastures of Greece and Italy await you.

 

Are you a high schooler? Probably, because you definately don't work and have never been your own boss. Your post is very narrowminded.

There are plenty of trades jobs that allow people to be their own bosses or work for a great salary: electricians, plummers, mechanics, computer programer, etc. These are cheap alternatives to college with high rewards and oppurtunities to continue education in fields that preface higher learning majors.

Right now many students think that they are entitled to go to college, because all of their friends are doing. For most people in our society, it would be prudent for them to gain some life experience before they go out into the real world.

In addition, some of these kid are coming out of college with 200k in debt and filing bankruptcy cause they can't find a job in their major. That's cause they picked the wrong major. They worked towards something without making an informed decision, and then they turn around a blame the banks for their own stupidity.

 

It certainly isn't because they have TOO much education. Greater education gives you a competitive advantage when trying to find work, period. This is not in dispute. Guaranteed UN-SKILLED youth labor unemployment is still considerably higher then unemployment among youth with higher education.

I don't follow French economics but its probably very much attributed to the same reason why Youth unemployment is higher everywhere now. When the economy slacks and fails to grow, companies arent expanding and hiring college grads. I see this in my industry, engineering, crystal clear right now. Companies are keeping thier veteran trained workers, not expanding, and therefore not hiring new graduates.

Its not about College degrees being overrated, its about the economy being in the dumps. As my man Bill Clinton always said, Its the Economy Stupid!

 

I see not one lib cared to address my question. No suprise, I've been asking for years and still haven't gotten a response.

 

No I am not Sir. I am a professional with years of experience in the Civil Engineering field. I didn't mean to come off as a dick in my last post but I am tired of hearing about how college is just some breeding ground for Liberal hippies. THATS narrow minded.

Electricians, plummers mechanics etc are great careers that don't necasarily require college education, I understand that. But those careers are becoming harder and harder to get as well, because the economy sucks! I see union halls filled with skilled workers unable to find work, cause people arent building anything right now!

I don't agree with this statement. I think most people go to college because they want to pursue a Career in something, and to make themselves most competitive in the job market in that field you have to have a College Degree.

This argument fails because your numbers are rediculously inflated. Sure, some college educations at private universities can run you 200k. But there ARE PLENTY of very solid universities, particularly in-state ones, where you can go to school and paying for it waiting tables part time. Look at the California Sate University System for instance. VERY affordable.

Secondly, I always wanted to be an engineer and thats why I decided I needed to go to college to make myself as competitive in the job market as possible. I knew it could be tough to find a job, because it is a very cyclical field. But again, you HAVE to do this to make yourself competitive in the job market.

 

There are too many bachelors degrees in the labor force. It doesn't give anyone a competitive edge. It over-saturates the labor market. So what people often find that they have to do is go for that masters and that doctorate just to get that better chance. And doing this they increase the debt they have to pay off.

France economy is actually doing pretty okay. They're not as bad a Greece or Spain. The reason why France youth unemployment is so high is because it's pretty much almost impossible to fire someone once you have already hired them. Alot of employers are not going to take a chance on the younger generation. Even the educated ones. They want people who are skillful, more experienced, more mature. That is something a college degree can't give you.

The economy has little to do with the prices of college tuition. More and more college graduates are asking themselves is the college degree worth it. The Government has pretty much devalued the worth the college degree. Very few instances does college actually help people develop marketable skills they can use out in the labor force.

 

Interesting the type of stuff that is going to flow from Obama just prior to election time...coincidence or desperation for votes...

 

It tells me we have the wrong people in charge of the White House and Congress.

 

Originally Posted by dairyair
And there is even a higher % unemployed with no college education. What does that tell you? It tells me we have too many people?

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...cal-mass-scenario-dragging-us-into-abyss.html

 

If you are 40 years old and still making minimum wage you are either lazy, stupid or a liberal.

 

I truly don't undestand these arguments because it implies that the market would be better off with the same amount of people, but those people being less educated. That makes no sense. Unemployment would be just as high or higher if those same people who got degrees decided to try to get work without doing so.

Somehow working 4 years dedicated to an area of study makes you LESS experienced and mature?? Huh? That is simply false, how can you back this up? Your idea of college seems to be from watching 'Animal House' one too many times. This is not what real life is for 99.99% of college students.

Seriously? You mean marketable skills like Accounting, Business, math, Science, Engineering, Language, Technolgy, Nursing, Medical, Marketing, Law, Education, Chemistry, Biology.. etc, etc, etc... Need I go on??

WTF do you think people are doing in college honestly?

 

The market would be better off. People would learn a trade. People would learn a specific marketable skill which makes them more employable. People would become apprentice at all sorts of businesses.

People wouldn't waste time in a school with no real world labor market experience.

Exactly what career based experience do you learn reading text books all day? None. Employers are not looking for book smarts or who can regurgitate facts back to them. They are looking for people who can get the job done.

Those would be professions. Not skills. In college you take classes which apply towards your major. You don't learn marketable skills in a classroom. The professor just teach you facts and students just regurgitated it back to them. Marketable skills would be applying your knowledge in the real world. I have a degree in Finance. I'm in no way qualified to be anyone's Accountant.

 

We have liftoff -- higher education bad, bad.

 

It's good to know that you'd rather have unemployed college educated people than employed high school educated people.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who would agree.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMmow1rs_8"]College is a Scam[/ame]

 

LOL oh geez. Right.. people just regurgitate facts.. Im sure I just regurgitated the facts about how to design bridge trusses, or apply dynamic force diagrams.. right, NO skills are learned in college. Ugh. Sounds like you were just a crappy student.

Let's close down colleges and have everyone learn how to work on an assembly line, that would be great for the market. Because thats exactly what we need, a huge influx of cheap, unskilled Labor.

Who needs innovaters, thinkers, creators. Why push the boundaries of Science, mathematics, philosohy? You are missing every point about what higher education creates and does for a society.

I swear if it were up to conservatives we'd be living in the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stone age.

 

If skills are learned in school why are there so many mathematics and business administration graduates unemployed? What is the matter? Didn't teach that person how to run a business in school.

I run my own business and I didn't need to pay for a single course in Business Administration.

Nice strawman.

People should go to college if they deem it necessary. They shouldn't waste time and accumulate debt if they believe it's not going to be worth it. People are spending years in college and aren't even working towards their field of study.

Yeah, who needs another Bill Gates. He didn't go to college and look what he gave us. Microsoft.

Well, it's not up to conservatives. Obama has technically been president for 2 decades now. Are you better off? Most people would say no.

But if you really want to know how the Conservative version of an economy works, go to Hong Kong. They don't have student debt problems.

 

Originally Posted by iJoeTime
Ya.. (*)(*)(*)(*) the american dream. People should settle for thier minimum wage jobs and like it. Besides its unfair to the super rich to take away thier cheap wage labor!

God (*)(*)(*)(*) conservatives in this country are so twisted right now. Why are they so anti-progress? The PROBLEM is the economy sucks. Whenever that turns around, you anti-educationers can keep your burger-flipping jobs and the rest of us will push this country forward to keep pace with the Countries that DO value education and its importance to a growing nation.


Liberals like to pretend that homeless people are normal, hard-working, family men and women temporarily down on their luck.

Liberals like to pretend that minimum-wage workers are middle-aged heads-of-households struggling to get along.

Either pretending or lying but it isn't reality. Liberals are so twisted right now they can't recognize reality.

And, if you're not willing to pay $250k to get a PhD in French literature or Surf Science for anyone who wants it, then you're anti-education.

 

Because the economy is (*)(*)(*)(*)! For the 15th time. Not because business administration jobs are filled by high school grads. Thats (*)(*)(*)(*)ing laughable.

You said you are a personal trainer. I agree that doesnt require a college education. congrats. Try getting a business admin job with any major firm without a college education. Good luck.

Who are these people you are talking about? This seems like tripe and conjecture, and not based on facts whatsoever. Cool, you have a friend thats been in junior college for 10 years, so do I. That doesn't apply to the entire breadth of the college population.

LOL ya 1 guy. Thats the EXCEPTION not the RULE. Einstein also didn't go to college, but he was a once in a generation kind of intelligence, you cant apply that to an entire populace and say.. LOOK he did it!

2 Decades huh? Weird. I bet you Hong Kong understands the value of those educations as well. Do you really want to see this country become full of unskilled labor while China leads the way in education and technology development? I dont.

 

Yeah, and if you don't want to waste $80,000 just so you can work in an area opposite from your field of study then you're just anti-education.

 

The economy is (*)(*)(*)(*) and yet people are starting their own business with no Business administration degree and making money. I guess that $80,000 is not all that worth it. The college degree has become the new high school diploma.

If the economy is so bad, why even go to college at all since people are not going to begin to able to pay it off once they leave college? You get a degree just to compete in an over saturated market with little hope of getting a job, for what? That's like putting out a fire by throwing gasoline on it.

People become their own employers. You don't need a degree for that. Business administration is only for people who want to run a business someone else already built. Having a business administration degree doesn't give anyone experience to actually run a business. That comes from actually doing, not studying.

I'm talking about people who can't decide whether or not college is worth it. It's not just people I know. It's alot of people.

Yes you can because there are plenty of people who are doing it too. They go into business for themselves. And according to the PEW Research Trends, more and more graduates are not seeing the value in a college education.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/05/15/is-college-worth-it/

Hong Kong and China are two different countries. And Hong Kong actually have market forces at work. Their tuition is not expensive. As for China leading the way in technology development, it's cheap to develop in China. It is not in America. If you want to develop things in America, you have to lower the cost of producing in America. Until you do that it is foolish to product things in America which can easily be done elsewhere. If you can't produce competitively with other countries then you shouldn't be in the business of producing that product.

 

How friggin ridiculous.

 

OMFG database error. Im not re-typing all that (*)(*)(*)(*). Ill respond later if I still care.