Ohio voters reject measure aimed at blocking abortion rights amendment

That's it. They are willing to talk the talk, but unwilling to actually do something for people. They act like a bunch of Mr Magoos, short-sighted and myopic -- but much nastier!

 

BRAVO!!!!! excellent post. So true. and realistic.

 

And let us notice that a few years ago the republicans were all screaming and yelling and threatening over an imagined issue of “putting government in the doctor’s office between the doctor and patient”. Now those same republicans are cheering and demanding putting government in that exact same situation, AND in the bedroom between husband and wife in some cases.

 

I doubt I will ever take your posts seriously. I also note that I see tons of abortion rights types howling for gun control merely because they don't like the fact that many pro gun politicians are less than enamored with unlimited abortion. So should us gun rights advocates attack this non-constitutional right as payback? I won't, but it seems fair

 

just like many "pro choice" activists hate choice in most areas. They aren't pro choice-they are pro abortion.

 

That would be pro abortion within a set of boundaries. and conditions. It , as stated before, is a private matter .

 

is the life of the fetus-at any point -prior to birth-a state interest?

 

That's what the argument over 'viability' is all about.

The government should just leave women alone on abortions, and limit governance to viability determinations.

 

It might be , in the case of the mom being very mentally ill. Or has a history of criminal activity.
Each situation would be a "judgement" call, involving her medical advisor and those relevant t her case. each situation is unique and it is unfair to generalize. The age of the "mom" factors in as well as the circumstances that resulted in the pregnancy. (rape, incest etc)
So one cannot be ABSOLUTE about all this.

 

You support the "nanny state" leave it at that. You delegate responsibility to the state, and you think it gets you off the hook personally. Well Jesus was talking to you and me personally. You pass the buck to the "collective". That doesn't fulfill what He is asking from you.

You're real good and selective at quoting scripture, but you never mention in 1st Peter,he is adamant about obeying the laws of the land. There is a legal process for immigration in every country. We take care of the "legal ones".

Like every good Democrat I'm sure you were behind defund the Police and Prosecutorial negligence. In San Francisco they don't prosecute 67% of their crime. How's that working for them and other Democrat cities? When it comes to the unborn, you are pro-death. Very Christian of you.

 

And we do those things. We don't do it through government.

 

At 6 weeks they have a beating heart. If that is life, I don't know what is.

As a male, if you impregnate a female you are just as responsible for that life. Are you man enough?....or just another boy? Sure you would vote to kill it for convenience I suspect.

 

We aren't a Democracy. We are a Republican Democracy. That means the majority cannot run roughshod over the rights of the minority. You want to run roughshod over the right to life of a beating heart up until the moment it is delivered. Not only is that fascism....it is barbaric!

 

life enters when the vessel is ready, and leaves when it's not.... people can die and the heart still beas, people can live without a heart, in fact scientist can grow a heart in the lab


"Beating Heart Created In Laboratory: Method May Revolutionize How Organ Tissues Are Developed"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080113142205.htm

"Summary: Researchers have created a beating heart in the laboratory. By using a process called whole organ decellularization, scientists grew functioning heart tissue by taking dead rat and pig hearts and reseeding them with a mixture of live cells."

 

No, it was the right thing, let the people decide for themselves. This is why are the doom-mongering by the pro-Choice lobby was always so silly, this IS giving people choice.

 

Guns and abortion are mutually exclusive. On abortion, my previous post, as I said, I will put money on it, my point, the hypocrisy for those that are completely against it.

 

Well, you said it, so I don't have to... thanks

Your 2nd 'point' doesn't warrant response...

 

I was trying to noodle out a response to that simplistic question, but I cannot do it any better than yours...

 

Yes , these are all in place and every year Republican wants to shut down these programs. Should I point some of the thread where conservatives in this forum including you advocating to shut down social welfare?

Conservatives love unborn. But as soon as they are born, same conservatives are “ it’s our money, and we are not sharing them with those lazy people who breed so many children” .

 

But when it comes to abortion , Biblical principle push thru government.

This is the dance evangelical American dance all day long with politics

Abortion – it is Biblically wrong, it’s murder. You even quoted Isaiah. Now we need government to push Biblical principles to stop abortion.

Welfare system – From Geneses to Revelation over 2000 times Bible reference to “ taking care the poor, taking care the widow and sick” - evangelical Christians answer “ we don’t do that through government”. Really?

Last 50 years evangelical politicking, sold their soul to politics just so SCOTUS verdict can be overturn and every state ban abortion. Now all of a sudden “we don’t do biblical teaching through government”

Supreme insincerity in display.

 

It isn't BIBICALLY wrong, its just WRONG period! Go ask any atheists if they think murdering babies is "wrong"

 

So, the supermajority requirements to pass Constitutional Amendments, or to have cloture on a Senate Bill, or States that require a 60% supermajority vote on initiatives are all examples of fascism in action? Once again, I don't think you know what that word actually means.

 

The first one is OK... the last 2 are not...

 

feed the hungry, give water to thirsty, give shelter to stranger, clothed the naked, look after the sick, visit those who are in prison. (Matt 25) , take care the widow ( Acts 6), give justice to the weak and fatherless ( Psalm 82) take care immigrants ( Deut 10:19 / Psalm 146).


It’s not my teaching, it’s the teaching of Jesus Christ. If you call Sermon on the Mount “ nanny state” , well you have every right to do so. After all this is a free country. I am not going to impose my religion to you.

Classic response from conservatives when it comes to immigration reform – “ Bible says obey the law of the land and these illegals not obeying the law”. Fair enough . but here is the problem, last 50 years the law of the land was “woman has right to choose” and evangelical was up and arm to overturn the law. What happened to “ obey the law of the land” ? the law of the land was “ abortion was legal”. Rather then obeying the law, evangelical was too busy electing republican POTUS so that law of the land can be overturn.

By the way – do you know who else didn’t obey the law of the land ? Moses’ mother. The law of the land was to kill every male baby, Moses’ mother disobeyed the law.

Do you know who else disobeyed the law of the land – Christ Himself. Joseph took Mary and Christ to Egypt. Joseph didn’t get permission from Rome, Joseph didn’t take any permission from Egyptian government, just went to Egypt and hid until Herod died. Jesus was an illegal immigrant in Egypt.

Do you know who disobey the law of the land – every Christians who send money to China to proclaim Christianity ( including myself) . the law of the land in China is against preaching gospel.


But here you are quoting scripture and accusing me that I use scripture selectively.

 

Care to tell us where any of these "pro abortion" people are limiting choice and FORCING people to have abortions?