Part 11 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    But the end game of everyone is known and can't be changed from what is known. That thing you call omniscient. Correct your error for you.
     
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    I know this was asked many many times, but I either missed the answer or you haven't given it yet.
    You have clearly stated, those who never heard of christ will be judged by God.
    So, why sacrifice jesus and say you have to believe in him and repent sins if you never heard of him and still can be in eternal paradise.
     
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    It's frightening to think that people have turned God into some megalomaniac…killing at will, granting favour at will..no wonder people do not believe in God..
    this mitt mitt guy and wan ren and doom bug are defiling the very concept of God with their twisted tales of Jesus…
    it's barfable...
     
  4. dairyair

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    So the canaanites did not know.
    Your statement, God live among the israelites, not with anyone else.
    The egyptians will send a report, never said they sent a report, it was a speculation by the author.
    So your own proof is no one but the egyptians and israelites knew about God.
     
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    it's so absurd…

    this is what one gets when god becomes a human attribute of something or other…then gets politicized for power…and turns people crazier than jim jones
     
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    Yup, and I wonder how these peole get such intimate knowledge of God, his wants, motives, needs, directions, etc.
    Do they speak with him?
    Are they special in some way that god imparts such detailed knowledge about himself to them??
     
  7. dairyair

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    Does the bible say it did?
    The bible would state it if that happened.
     
  8. dairyair

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    A wrathful, merciful, holy being.
    Contradictory. I believe you left off jealous.
     
  9. dairyair

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    Yes, they are doing the opposite of what jesus wants by turning folks away from christianity.
    I think there is a special place God has dictated where those who push folks away from christianity will go.

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    Have you read their posts? There is no special knowledge. Lots of wrong opinions.
     
  10. FoxHastings

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    Well, I was being a little sarcastic....seems these people do feel they are special friends of god and have his ear....
     
  11. Giftedone

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    Being a "son of God" is quite different than being "God". What I find interesting is that when ever Jesus refers to "God/the father" he is referring to someone other than himself.

    Yet ... this trinity nonsense still persists. The early Church fathers believed that Jesus was divine (many different beliefs along this line) but that he was subordinate to the father. They did not believe that Jesus was "God".

    Tertullian was the first to propose the trinity (like the modern dogman) around 200 AD. The Church at the time declared this idea heretical.

    As far as other gospels. The early Christian community had many different groups, sects and so forth. Unfortunately we know very little about these groups but what we do know is that most, if not all, had their own gospels. These were stories about Jesus.

    Unfortunately most of these stories were systematically destroyed by the Church after Constantine.

    Once Constantine's dogma became law, anything that said something that contradicted this dogma was deemed heretical and destroyed.

    Fortunately, relatively recent finds such as the dead sea scrolls have brought to lite what some of these early church communities believed.

    One of the more controversial finds of late was a papyri where Jesus states that Mary was his wife. Of course the Church came out screaming. Saw a documentary on this and the Harvard theologins are sticking to their guns .. the papyri is authentic.

    The papyri is going to be subjected to dating and so forth to further authenticate. Hopefully the results will be out soon.

    Given what we know from other recently found Gospels (Gospel of Thomas and so on), and reading the Bible with this perspective, it is not a surprise to find out that Jesus had a wife and her name was Mary.
     
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    What I find frightening is the lengths some Christians will go to worship man made dogma over what is stated in the Bible.

    The Bible clearly states that God told the Israelites to kill everyone in certain towns. It states specifically to kill all women and children.

    We can debate if it is reasonable to believe that God would do such things.

    What is not reasonable is to deny that these things are not claimed in the Bible.
     
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    Because Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

    Who said you are racist? Does the picture of Jesus Christ look like a white man to you? Yes, I recognize Jesus Christ is the Son of God because He is and I post a picture of God as you requested.
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    We are all created in the image of God all these people regardless of race and ethnicity were created in the image of God.
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    And God is Jesus Christ.

    You ask for a picture of God I share with you with you and you don't like it because you see picture of God as a white man.? Do you have problem with Charles Darwin or all the 18th century white colonial scientist who formulated the ape-human theory? Why do you think they are all white man who insist that humans evolved from apes?

    They were brought to their attention to be certify and or to be endorsed and they discover it was all fake.
     
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    Christians are not denying those wars and killings in the Bible that is why it is in the Bible and was never censored or removed because those wars and killings were just. God step in to stop wickedness and evil from over running this world God step in to give the good people a fighting chance a time to be ready to defend themselves. What is frightening is just how some or many people are supporting the wicked and are so much against God for siding with good over evil. Now humanity is strong and able to make this world a better place but most of all strong enough to fight back and defend themselves without God's intervention to win over evil.
     
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    If Jesus had a wife she was a hippie because Jesus said that he didn't have a place to lay his head. And he was always freeloading off of his rich friends, especially women. On top of that he was always roaming around with a bunch of guys and going on extended fishing trips. So if he had a wife she was one tolerant woman.
     
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    Now you are making things up as you go along. You have no idea why God did what he did so quit putting words in Gods mouth like you know what he was thinking.

    You have no idea why God stopped intervening in the affairs of men, so quit speaking for God and pretending you do.
     
  17. Mitt Ryan

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    We believers accept and believe what is written in Scripture to be the infallible Word of God.

    It is non-believers who are claiming the Bible has errors, and so you all have the burden of proving your claim, so far I haven't seen any concrete evidence proving your claim.

    So the reality is non-believers can't prove the Bible has errors, that's the reason it keeps being ignored.
     
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    Am I making things up?? you're the one that is making all kinds of wild and false accusation about God and I am responding to your wild accusation so that the truth maybe known. Do you want us just to stay quite and let you get away with all kinds of false claims about God? No way maybe in your dreams.

    Do you have any idea why God intervene on the first place? Remember the Bible is very clear why God intervene and it is because of the wickedness of men;
    Genesis 5: 5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. Don't say I am making this up because it is very clear why God intervene to fight evil and wickedness.

    And as I said those wars and killings are not being deny by Christians that is why it was never removed from the Bible or being censored from the general public because those wars are just wars wars against evil and wickedness. And as I said also it is amazing just how you can be against God for fighting on behalf of the weak and defending good.
     
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    Pictures of god???

    Oh please! How do you know what he looks like, do you have a special GodCam?
    He did a selfie?
    Or are you so gullible you'll believe an artist's rendition of what they think god looked like as a fact??!!
    HOW can you believe things without any proof whatsoever?? That is so dangerous....
     
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    The God character died when the last Babylonian Emperor died and the Babylonian Empire collapsed.

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    How did Abraham ride camels before camels had been domesticated?
     
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    A lot of people believe that but they are some of the same ones who claim that Obama wasn't born in America. So where's Jesus' long form birth certificate?
     
  22. Mitt Ryan

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    Some experts believe the Ark making ground roughly 5000 BC or approx. 7000 yrs ago.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

    Not 7,000 years ago there weren't any. Ancient historical records only go back 3000 BC or 5000 yrs. ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history

    Civilizations or recorded history got its start after the Great Flood and so whatever civilizations were around prior to the Great Flood they were all wiped out with no trace of them ever having existed. Through Noah and his family the earth began to repopulate itself. People eventually scattered all over the world, civilizations began to start all over the world. There is an explanation of how all the different races came to be from Noah and his family. But that's up for discussion some other time.

    You are speaking as though people during those days had access to television news reports, cell phones, text messaging, instagram, tweeter, etc as we do today...lol

    The reality is during those days word of anything was spread by word of mouth, most people were uneducated, they couldn't read nor write. So it wouldn't be surprising at all if most people never heard of Noah during those times. But at least we have record of the Great Flood of Noah preserved in the Holy Bible, thanks to the best writer of all time Almighty God! And today we are still talking about him, even more so now with all this advanced technology that is accessible to us in today's world.

    Again, remember they were living during times where news didn't travel as they do today. People were scattered all over the world and so they were all pretty much isolated from one another in a huge big wide world.

    Oh so now you are expressing a theory. You couldn't or anyone else for that matter know for sure what happened 14,000 years ago. There was no one around to record such an event. It is just a theory.

    Sorry but 14,000 years ago there were no cities built near oceans let alone people writing flood stories about their experiences living by the sea...lol

    We simply have no recorded history of that whatsoever.

    Submerged cities 14000 years ago? Nobody has found submerged cities that existed 14,000 years ago. That is just something made up, some wild theory, or some hoax.

    Sorry but the Bible does not explicitly state when the Great Flood occurred, so you might be right that there was no Global Flood on earth sometime between 2100-2300 BC. It may very well had happened sometime around 5000 BC as some experts believe.
     
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    Yes, we know and we have pictures of God. We know what God looks like because He came down to us as Jesus Christ. There is no such thing as God cam or GodCAM God did it the real way no camera tricks He came down as human to be with us, dine with us, walk with us, suffer with us and die for us.
    How can you be so ignorant of history, facts and history is not about being gullible it is about being educated how can you be not educated?
    How can you not believe in fact and history not believing in facts and history is very dangerous we see this happened many times.
     
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    That is why does people who claim Obama is not an American, not born in America have been proven to be stupid.
    The Holy Bible is Jesus Christ birth certificate a thousand year old.
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/konghan/bible.jpg
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    Well yeah that would be a typical response from a non-believer. To a believer, Jesus sacrifice was the greatest expression of the love God has for us.

    Simply put, no one would have eternal life if it wasn't for Jesus sacrificing His life, shedding His innocent sinless blood on the cross for our sins.

    We read in Scripture, "Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."---John 14:5-7 NASB

    In this statement, Jesus declares the reason for His birth, death and resurrection—to provide the way to heaven for sinful mankind, who could never get there on their own.
     
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