Part 11 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

It's a misconception that the Bible condones barbarism such as slavery, human sacrifice and violence.

Anybody who uses the Bible as justification for persecution of people have grossly misinterpreted its message from God.

The Bible is certainly not a book for the misconception impaired.

The sinful wickedness of men as depicted in the Old Testament of the Holy Bible had to be dealt with punishments from God.

And so how could one say God was condoning the barbarism of men? When in fact He was doing something about it, He was punishing it and rightfully so.

If men weren't barbarious, God wouldn't have had any reason to punish them now would He?

 

So.....did God just decide it was no longer worth even trying to punish his playtoys anymore?

Seems to be there is quite a bit going on that deserves a good spanking right now.

 

Please show , at least, a painting of Jesus done from life. Any other painting, like the ones you use for "proof", is just an artist's interpretation.
There were no cameras then so how he looked is soley up to word of mouth description which is totally unreliable.

And a shroud with smears on it doesn't count.

And why do his looks concern you so much?

 

You're living in a fantasy world. Slavery, rape, and violence are condoned in the Old Testament. I'm not sure where you think "punishment" plays into this.

 

Did you even read this article? First off, it's a controversial scientific study. Secondly, it is supportive of a REGIONAL flood in the Black Sea area, not a worldwide flood.

Sure, records only go back 5,000 years ago, but that doesn't mean there isn't other evidence of civilizations beyond written records that date back further. Göbekli Tepe was erected 11,500 years ago.

If only we didn't have evidence showing you're wrong.

But it didn't. There's no evidence that it did, and there is an abundance of evidence that it didn't.

 

Twisted tales of Jesus? They've just talking about stories from the Old Testament. Do you not recognize these?

 

OH MAN!!!

You really are completely clueless are you not?

The only solace I have at this point is knowing that since I am leaving Monday night...by the time I get back this topic will be full and shut down by the Mods.

WanRen...it entirely possible we will never talk again although I certainly hope I make it back....but in case I do not...I feel it is important to tell you something that perhaps may make you a better person.

I have been DEAD for a short time before I was brought back and although I was not gone for very long....I learned a GREAT DEAL from that experience.

Now some of the things I learned I had already known and thought I understood but until after dying and coming back I never understood just how IMPORTANT some things were that I took for granted were.

One of those things was....I learned....REALLY LEARNED....that I and anyone else could learn concepts and ideas and wisdom in the words and actions and realities of people, animals and nature.

I learned just how COMPLETELY INTERCONNECTED EVERYTHING TRULY IS....be it a person...a bird....a cloud or a rock.....etc....and whatever anyone tells you they think they know...or directs you to read some book or access some data supposedly holding the keys and answers to all things....believe me....not only do such people and such books not know or tell you the answers....THEY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE QUESTIONS!!!

You are your own person and have a right to believe whatever you wish....but I URGE YOU....to consider that THERE IS SO MUCH MORE....that what you or I or anyone else knows and certainly there exists so much more than any book will or can tell you about.

Take this information from one who has been dead....and come back.

AboveAlpha

 

Jesus Christ looks does not concern me so much but it seem's to concern you I provide you a photo of God because there was request for it.
And God's appearance or looks was witness by His Apostles and those who persecuted Him.
The Shroud of Turin is another mystery that of course you just said does not count what count is that there were many eye witnesses and most of all the change Jesus Christ brought to this world because if He was not real there will be no Christianity.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/konghan/ShroudofTurin.jpg

 

Very confusing since at the time of Jesus they didn't have cameras.....so it's hard to believe someone snapped a photo....

 

You need the vacation and maybe when you are back you can provide some prove with photos of human-ape or ape-human.
Don't worry the moderators will keep this thread running so that you can continue to post.
Books are our road to knowledge and the Holy Bible is one of the best book that have open our mind and understanding of history but most of all of God, the struggle between good and evil, falsehood and truth.

Abraham Lincoln: In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.

 

hi GFP, i was referring to not just a few posts but stuff i have been reading from them and others for a long time now.

The concept of God gets bad press ,(euphemism ) due to people's not even trying to understand God concepts. they go for the lowest common denominator and then say there is no God or god is a big bad mean guy in the sky giving so much to some and ruining others from the day their are conceived…blah blah…


then Biblical interpretations from fanatical brainwashed mouth breathers…it's enough to put you off your rice krispies…
as for not recognizing these…thats taken as a jab from you…it's not really the GFP i'm used to …sort of lazy…especially when you know this whole subject is part of my life…

I don;t mind people not believing in God and explaining their conclusions on the matters, if they actually have given thought to the matter. The ones taking a comic book approach to the OT and the New Testament and then using the comic book approach and saying there cannot be a God cause the comic book is just far too fantasy based…it's easy to read the bible like a comic book ,it takes a bit of discipline to actually try to see that it is a metaphor…much like jihad is taken out of context and we all know what happens then…i cannot say this enough…The Nun that taught me a few classes in science and some religion classes through my few years spent at high school always said the bible is basically a metaphor…the New testament though she say was accurate and it was up to faith in how far one would want to take it….at the time she knew i was an Atheist and challenged her every move..
one nun was replaced in tears…from religion class... and they sent in this idiot male teacher who actually threatened me in class…the thing was, i was always polite and followed the rules to a t. He tried to get me to react to his idiocy….he would fit in online….a priest lied about me…they tried everything to dupe me into acting or saying something that could get me expelled…it was quite the challenge…and i loved it….what a forum….

the thing is GFP , i'm tired of defending the Bible, i am starting to think the OT is useless as a tool in the modern world for it contains far too much baggage and to be honest…it is like a comic book..


there are plethora of philosophical concepts and religions that are at one's finger tips….I've studied so many and fanatically adopted a few..delved right in…

I found God, See God as everything and we are God….try to get out of the linear thinking..see Intelligent Design as something almost inherent ..not an underlying thing..but part of everything, …to label God as one supreme being for me is just missing the point…and yet this Abrahmic god is just that…and i have tried to force a square peg into a round hole….or have i….

 

Ohhhhuuuggghh!

For ONCE....will you just try to understand what I am saying to you and not apply it to anything having to do with our differences of beliefs?

AboveAlpha

 

TBH wanren, God would want you to be quiet. You are hurting christianity with your lack of communication skills and lack of education about christianity.
That is against the will of God to hurt christianity and I believe when you do more damage than good, there may be a special place and it won't be paradise.
Just a word of caution.

"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'" (Matthew 7:22-23)

 

Sounds a lot like our US native american beliefs or buddahist, zen, etc. Our universe and everything is connected.

 

You have NO IDEA!

I never had an idea either....until I died...and came back.

AboveAlpha

 

Here's the problem I see. You want to ditch the OT. That's fine. The problem is that you keep invoking Jesus. Jesus is inexorably tied to the Old Testament, and the standard claim is that Jesus IS the God of the Old Testament. So, I'm curious how you could reconcile or sever the ties from the Old to the New Testament.

 

People who believe that the shroud is an actual artifact from 2,000 years ago have only one functioning brain cell.

 

I don't think you know enough about Wanren or God to be making such judgements. Which pleases God more? Extensive knowledge of the Christianity by some theologian with someone of a lukewarm faith that barely made it to heaven by the skin of his teeth or someone with a very strong faith? Many of the great figures of my religion(I'm Catholic by the way) were renowned for their simple but strong faith in God. Of course there's nothing wrong with knowing a bit about Christianity, but what good is knowledge with no faith?

Sure, many people find the idea of the world to be 6000 years old ridiculous, but what can you do? You can only hope to sway the more moderate voices. Passing judgement on people, implying that they will go to hell is no way to do it.

 

I don't need to know wanren, just his posts.
I care not if he believes the earth is 6000 yrs or 10B yrs old. It is posting distortions, being told his distortions are wrong, posting links in direct conflict with his statements and denying and changing posts when shown his error.

In other words, being very dishonest, which for a very long time many attributed to his english skills, but has shown that he thinks he is a master of english and absolutely correct in his posts.
Basically being dishonest and claiming to be speaking for christianity is why I caution him. For if he truly is christian, he'd be more careful in making claims that are shown to be without a doubt false. As the verse I posted states, one may think they are doing good, but in reality are not and then they may up in a place they never thought they would.

 

I understand you but you don't understand yourself.

 

YOU understand ME!!!???

OK...give me a short synapses and break it down for all of us what you understand about me.

AboveAlpha

 

Are you a messenger of God if you are I will listen? What is it that God want you to do? I am sure not to lie or distort the Holy Bible. I will not allow you to hurt Christ even with your high educational back ground.

I know it is against God to hurt Christianity or Christ that is why I must speak up against you. Are you now against God?

Yes, and are you on the side of God or Lucifer?
I am on the side of God.
Are you afraid of the truth?

Well said then does this mean you are on the side of God?
Then, welcome Christian.

 

Here is a simple presentation, do you have a photo, an image, painting, sculpture of your ancestor during Jesus and the Apostles time 1 to 3 AD? If you don't have photos of them does this mean they don't exist? and if they don't exist who and or what are you?

 

Yup I understand you but you don't understand yourself a simple request since you solidly claim that with all FACTS humans are apes so please provide an actual prove of that so far I have provided you with actual prove photos and real humans and apes that clearly show humans are not apes or apes are humans. This great ape of yours what is it or who is it do you have a photo?

 

As I said before, if anyone believes that the shroud is an actual artifact from 2,000 years ago then that person has just one functioning brain cell.