Part 11 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Actually this would mean ,many scientist under your standard have one functioning brain cell because many scientist believe in many things that have not yet been proven yet.

And as I said, Here is a simple presentation, do you have a photo, an image, painting, sculpture of your ancestor during Jesus and the Apostles time 1 to 3 AD? If you don't have photos of them does this mean they don't exist? and if they don't exist who and or what are you?

Do you have prove that your ancestors exist or not??

 

Unbelievable!!!

I have told you I will be GONE by Monday night and all you can say to me is that STUPID assertion of yours.

You know what....I TRIED!! I really tried to give you a gift....but you took a gift of knowledge and called it a lie.

You really don't understand me at all....or much of anything for that matter.

AboveAlpha

 

Actually it's not so much ditch the OT as , are these metaphors relevant to todays' needs in attaining enlightenment?
basically there are more people thinking them totally historic and this creates a plethora of problems socially and personally for those that embrace the OT as the literal truth.

Soooo do i really need to focus on these metaphors anymore…


As for the New testament most would argue that Jesus tamed God the Father in the sense all the OT havoc is now no more..
Is Jesus really the God of the old testament?
like he was compleleltly radical at the time to the point they killed him horribly…

i am no longer a Buddhist as I see the flaws in that religion as well…was called a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bag by a Buddhist priest online when i showed him the BS….he caved in …people went berserk…sort of sad actually.

do i sever those ties…no i've grown and understand ….
Jesus to me is actually the very same entity as Buddha…Both times He appeared on this planet He reformed the flavour of the day and helped woman find equality and basically the same stuff for people in general….

so why toss the baby out with the bath water?

 

Are you claiming Jesus as one of your ancestors?

 

Again it is up to you to prove you are not what you are and so far you have only prove you believe human are apes and apes are human without any factual proof except your own assertion so I ask you provide prove with photos. I have already provided you prove that humans were created in the image of God, that humans are not apes or apes are not humans. Just in case you forgot here it is again a very clear difference between humans and apes.
Humans


Apes

 

Are you admitting you don't have an ancestor?
Here this is Jesus Christ Son of God defeating Satan


Jesus Christ is mine your creator

 

You are certainly one superstitious person.

 

Nope I am not claiming Jesus Christ is my ancestor I am claiming He is the Son of God my God and yours.
Was I there when He was crucified? No I wasn't there.
[video=youtube;6e3Z0EW60Gc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e3Z0EW60Gc[/video]

Very few believe in Him it was only after Jesus Christ resurrected that they all believe and tremble no more.
Only the famous and conquerors had their figures and faces sculptured individuals such as Caesar, Alexander the Great, Darius, Xerxes, Herod but not individuals such as Jesus Christ it was only after He resurrected that they started to remember what He look like but most of all the discovery of the Shroud of Turin provided us people of today as to what Jesus Christ or God looks like

Superstitious is only for the pagans and atheist. So do you know or have prove of your ancestors existence in 1 -3 AD?

 

This last line of yours is the funniest I have read so far here! LOL!!!

Man! You need help.

AboveAlpha

 

God wants you to stop giving christianity a bad rap. You choose.

 

You really don't know what you're saying because of your misunderstanding of the significance of the sacrifice of Jesus and who Jesus really was.

First of all, Jesus as we learn from Scripture was God in the flesh. Jesus said things like, "I and my Father are one."---John 10:30 KJV

Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."--- John 8:58 ESV

Jesus announcing His identity as "I am" is a direct application of the Old Testament name for God. We read in Exodus 3:14 NLT, "God replied to Moses, "I Am Who I Am."

We read in John 1:1 ESV, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

We read in John 1:14 ESV, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."

These verses clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh, God incarnate.

So why would it matter whether or not Jesus is God? Why is the question over Jesus true identity so important?
It's because if He is not God, then His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for all the sins of mankind thruout the whole world.

We read in 1 John 2:2 NLT, "He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world."

Only God could pay such an infinite penalty, We read in Romans 5:8 NLT, "But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners."

And in 2 Corinthians 5:21 NLT we read, "For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ."

So in summary, Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus deity is why He is the only way of salvation.

Jesus proclaimed, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" ---John 14:6 ESV

 

Matt....do me a favor and for 1 moment consider something.

Understand I am NOT trying to disprove your Faith.

All I will post about are facts and realities and how can facts and realities be against a GOD?

You are quoting the scripture within the Bible....but we have absolutely ZERO PROOF that such things are true.

We don't even have any original writing of any Apostle and not even the original writing of 5 generations of Christians after the Apostles were long dead.

Basically....we just do not know.

That doesn't mean this is a cause for you to lose Faith...it is just a simple fact.

AboveAlpha

 

I am not sure what you are talking about here? I agree that writing was not used extensively until roughly 3000 BC but there are numerous civilizations that existed prior to this time.

http://cdli.ucla.edu/pubs/cdlj/2006/cdlj2006_001.pdf
- 1988 The Early History of Ancient Near East, 9000-2000 BC. Chicago: Chicago University Press.

I agree that flood stories around the world are due to the rise in sea level which flooded out many civilizations.

http://www.catalhoyuk.com/index.html

Civilization does not only exist 7000 years ago (5000BC) it is flourishing.

I agree that there could have been many floods after the last ice age due to rising sea levels.

One such massive flood ended up in the creation of the black sea as we know it.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html

A hypothesis is something that is questionable. A theory is supported by facts such that it is accepted as true.

I never said there were, that was when the ice stopped receding. It took thousands of years for the ice to recede. As you can see from the table in this link, http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/

The rise in sea level really starts to ramp up about 14,000 years ago. Over the millennia following this rise there would have been many settlements, and later some cities that were submerged.

One such example is this city in India that is carbon dated to 9500 years ago. http://calculatedmess.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/cambay-ruins-india-the-9500-years-old-sunken-city/

The Bible does state explicitly when the flood occurred. It states that Abraham was born 292 after the flood.
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/genealogies.html

The time Abraham was from around 1800 -2100 BC so this puts the date of the flood from roughly 2100BC-2400BC

There may well have been some local flood around this time period but it did not cover the whole earth and there was no dude named Noah who gathered 2 of every land species on the earth into a boat during this time period.

Nor did civilization "restart" during this time period.

The timeline of the Bible is clearly troublesome but the OT Bible stories were likely not meant to be taken literally by the folks that wrote them. Many ancient stories were allegory - intended to convey a message or meaning, generally moral or political.

 

Prior to the flood, the spectacled bear and other animals most likely lived near Noah’s home. Prior to the flood, the earth may have been one large landmass.

Keep in mind now we are talking about an event that happened several thousands of years ago, perhaps as long ago as 7,000 years.

Another point to consider is just because we see only certain kinds of animals in certain places in today's world, it doesn't mean they have always been there for their entire existence. Just like how people migrate and adapt so do animals migrate and adapt.

And so we just can't assume where we find animals in today's world, that is where they have always existed.

Another point we need to consider is that when God created the animals, He gave them the ability to adapt as I mentioned earlier. God foresaw the entrance of sin, in a world gone wrong. God created His creatures with an incredible ability to survive in various climates.

Some tropical animals can survive in cooler climates. And some animals that now live in Polar Regions can also survive in warmer temperatures.

 

None of the examples you give have Jesus stating directly that he is the God of Abraham and all have other possible interpretations.
"No one comes through the father except through me" for example could easily, and likely does, refer to the idea that Jesus sits at the right hand of the father and will act as judge at the end of days. Matt 25 (sheep and goats parable) depicts Jesus in the position of Judge at the end of days.

There are zero passages where Jesus says .. I am God worship me.

Every time Jesus speaks about his relationship to God it is always someone other than himself.

When a man addressed Jesus as “Good Teacher”, he replied “Why do you call me good? No one is good except the one God.’’ [Mark 10:18]

In another instance he says “I can’t do anything by myself. Whatever I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just. I don’t seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me.” [John 5:30]

I’m going up to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. [John 20:17]

And then of course we have Jesus last words on the cross "my god my god why have you forsaken me" .. is Jesus so delirious that he has forgotten who he is and begins to curse himself ?

Matt 24: 36 “No one knows, however, when that day and hour will come—neither the angels in heaven nor the Son; the Father alone knows.

Obviously the Son and the Father are not the same person.

 

Full Stop. This is what I mean when I say that some will go to incredible lengths of self delusion in order to maintain the dogma they worship.

The earth has not been one large land mass for millions of years. It is a verifiable fact that this was not the case 5, 10, or 20 thousand years ago.

We find dinosaur bones on many continents from hundreds of millions of years ago.

We have never found a kangaroo bone in Mesopotamia. We have never found a polar bear bone. We have never found a Spectacled bear bone.

The idea that all the worlds species lived together in Mesopotamia is an insult to science and human intelligence in general.

Look at the hill in your back yard. It is the same hill, and it has not moved much at all in your lifetime nor your grandfathers lifetime nor any of your relatives lifetime. You can go back thousands of years and find hills and landmarks in the same place where it has always been. Rome in Italy has been there for 2000 years and it has not moved.

There are cities that go back 4000 years that have not moved on a relative geographical basis. No movement (other than perhaps a mile) in 4000 years and somehow you figure that roughly 4000 years previous this same land mass moved thousands of miles.


Geological movement such as continental drift is measured in millions of years, not in thousands. Volcanoes that blew up thousands of years ago are in the same place geographically that they were thousands of years ago ( +/- a half a mile at most)

The idea that the continents moved thousands of miles over a few thousand years is absolute nonsense. This is an extremely short time period from a geological perspective. If this had happened we would know it.

We do not find hippo bones in North America. We do not find any bones other than those that have been native to this continent for hundreds of thousands of years.

We do however find dino bones from millions of years ago.

If the continents were joined only 7000 years ago (4000 years according to the Bible) then where are all the bones from species native to Mesopotamia or any other continent.

Not even the Pope believes in these things any more. That some still persist is a tribute to the power of brainwashing.

 

You know....I don't get it.

How can Matt actually believe in a world wide flood and not take into consideration such thing is an impossibility?

As I have previously stated...in order for the entire land mass surfaces on Earth to be completely covered in Water the sea level would have to rise approx. 5.5 Miles higher than it currently exist.

Never mind the fact there is not enough water or water ice on Earth to melt and do this as if all water ice melted a maximum of 216 feet increase in sea level would occur....if a rise 5.5 Miles were to occur....it would create the circumstances both atmospheric and Gravitic to kill off all life on Earth...FOREVER.

AboveAlpha

 

Circular reasoning?

Speaking in fairness to religion, it may've seemed like a world-wide flood; if everywhere Christians went was flooded, it would've been the same to them because they'd have to no way to no that it wasn't. seem, familiar, Christians?

 

Sorry but you're wrong. The Bible indicates that the "Pre-flood" world was much different than it is today, and scientists have theorized that to be the case as well.

This world as we have come to know has always been dynamic and not static and so things don't stay the same for long periods of time.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/07/earths-average-temperature-lower-than-it

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/22/study-greenland-ice-sheet-was-smaller-3000-5000-years-ago-than-today/

 

Yes He did, God being omniscient foresaw the entrance of sin, in a world gone wrong. God created His creatures with an incredible ability to survive in various climates.

One just need to observe the animals of today's world. For example look at the penguins ability to survive in Antarctica in the frigid temperatures, they can also adapt to warmer climates as well, you can find penguins in captivity in every continent.

Polar bears are another example, they too have that ability. Many zoos or aquarium keep them in countries that have a warm summer and they are doing fine.

 

I can understand your humour because it reflects what you are
I need help? uhm?? interesting you are the one that claim humans are apes and you can't differentiate them and you are saying I am the one that need help...... uhm?? interesting I understand.

 

Christianity is stronger and getting stronger because of Christians like me, Mitt and others who dose not cowed into silence instead we do the way of God we share His great news, His words and Truth.

So Jesus Christ appeared to you and gave you the authority to judge Christians specially me? Let's see:
1. You don't believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God
2. You don't believe Jesus Christ is God
3. You don't believe in the Holy Bible
4. You don't believe in the Holy Spirit

And you are telling me that God told you to tell me to stop worshipping Him??? You know what I will continue to talk good things about Christianity because I know that it wasn't Jesus Christ who appeared to you. Unless you can prove it can you? I am sure that the Pope would like to know what other stuff God told you.



[video=youtube;hyIpE1_qIFM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyIpE1_qIFM&list=PL106971FE93B1E8D2[/video]
[video=youtube;5t7q4TEE3Qk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t7q4TEE3Qk[/video]

 

Humans ARE APES...and I am not the only person that know this as it is written within every single listed link defining what is an Ape...and humans are on that list.

AboveAlpha

 

I have said many times I have no problem if you insist that humans are apes I respect and recognize your position but the reality is that humans are not apes.

This is an ape:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/konghan/ape1.jpg
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These are humans
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/konghan/PhilMarines.jpg


And science has humans and apes on separate grouping.
The Cro-Magnon man is believe to be the ancestor of European a reconstructed feature base on discovered bone clearly it is no ape
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/konghan/605px-Cro-Magnon_man_rendered.jpg


The Peking-Man believe to be ancestor to the Chinese or Oriental modern people.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/konghan/Pekingman.png


Same thing the Peking-man is no ape either.

So please provide some evidence of your great ape that you claim is factual prove that humans are ape??? Is it that difficult to do?

In case you don't know or have not notice it yet you are indeed the only person who know that humans are apes.

Is this the great ape you are referring to?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/konghan/Greatape.jpg

 

Well, you have certainly convinced me. I'm in awe of your intellectual brilliance.