Part 12 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Well....actually your wrong.

    We have reached a point technologically to determine the MAP OF MAPS....Genetically.

    Basically years ago when our Computation abilities where no where NEAR what they are now....it took us YEARS to map out the entire Human Genome....and since we have mapped Thousands upon Thousands of Genomes of other species.

    Now days we use Networked Super Computers but we have just come out with 1000 Quibit Quantum Computers which can do in a few MINUTES what it used to take decades to do....completely map out every atom upon the DNA and thus completely map out the Genome of a Species within MINUTES!!

    Because of this we are developing a CROSS SPECIES EVOLUTIONARY MAP.....which uses the Genomes of perhaps 100's of Thousands of species and eventually MILLIONS of species and we will be able to definitively map EVERY SINGLE EXISTING SPECIES THAT EVER LIVED ON EARTH as even an extinct species is detailed out in the Genomes of existing species....and we will be able to do this all the way back to the original single celled life form from which all species on Earth evolved from.

    Now...the vast majority of Christians understand Evolution is a FACT....and the BioLogos Foundation exists to help Christians understand that in this Modern Age such things like knowing Evolution is a fact and knowing that the Earth is about 4.5 Billion Years Old and that there never was a Global Flood.....BUT...the BioLogos Foundation exists to show Christians that just because such things are realities it does not conflict with their Faith that a GOD used Quantum and Biological Evolution to create the Universe and all life within it as well the BioLogos Foundation explains that even though it is impossible for two people...an Adam and Eve to have populated the planet as this is not enough Genetic diversity in only two people to create the current world population as well only two people and these two peoples kids would become sterile after only a few generations due to inbreeding.....even though we know all these things....does not mean that Scientific Realities cannot exist in harmony with a GOD.

    I personally don't believe in a GOD the way Christians do....but I believe in something...but it is quite different.

    Yet I am glad such Foundations such as BioLogos exist as at the very least they understand Christians cannot deny or pray away facts and realities.

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    Are you trying to change the topic because the topic was about Noah's flood. If you don't care then why would care what God did?
    You gave me passages that are different from Genesis 6:5

    So you do care, Genesis 6:5 clearly stated the total absolute wickedness of man. Genesis 6:7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
    So now you are assuming that "man" this include innocent babies and children? I will give you the benefit of the doubt that "man" = human race man, woman, babies and children at the same time according to Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. This verse clearly show the absolute evilness and wickedness of humanity male, female, children and babies yes babies or infants that have not yet develop rational thinking were already being moulded by their parents to be wicked and evil and out of thousand of people only Noah and his family were not wicked and evil this would mean .01 percent of human kind was good or 99.9% of human kind were wicked and evil. And God gave good man (Noah and his family) a chance over the majority wicked and evil people.

    It would seem you are less concern with the wicked and evil people and kept justifying their existence by using children as shield. If there were innocent children and babies God would have for sure saved them just like He saved Noah and his family.

    Cannibalism, head hunting, mutilation, human sacrifice, ethnic cleansing was discovered to be widely practice thousand of years ago in ancient regions around the world.

    The only people that are running away are the atheist and maybe you for refusing to answer simple question but you seem to have finally answer Genesis 6:5 in an indirect manner just like good politicians never answer questions directly they always dance around it I don't know why you and atheist have a hard time to answer simple question.

    Did I say God is a trickster? That is another of your distortions yes your distortions for I never said God is a trickster.
     
  3. AboveAlpha

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    The Christian BioLogos Foundation details in depth that Human's are in FACT Apes and specifically Great Apes.

    99% of ALL CHRISTIANS understand that Humans are APES....you are part of the 1% that does not....BUT that is the PURPOSE of the BioLogos Foundation as it exists to HELP CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU understand that you cannot deny or pray away FACTS.

    BioLogos details that Humans are Apes....and this FACT is something they feel is NOT in conflict with Christianity or a persons belief in GOD....and they say that in their Mission Statement.

    WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID?

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  4. WanRen

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    I never share my ignorance only the true Words of God and true science not science fiction. It is amusing indeed that you laugh at your ignorance I don't know why or see any humour on being ignorant. :(


    Scientist actually do that is why they initially called it God-particle until the atheist complaint just like how they complain here to moderators that is when they withdrew that claim because they do not want to up set the atheist.

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    False I quoted your own post and clearly Christians believe that all living things evolved from their own kind why must you also try to distort your own link? Are you that desperate?
     
  5. AboveAlpha

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    WanRen....it has been proven both Mathematically and from a Logic perspective that NON-EXISTENCE is IMPOSSIBLE.

    Because we have proved this it also allows us to determine that since Non-Existence is impossible in the Natural Universe or Multiverse this logic dictates that a Supernatural explanation for the creation or development of the Universe or Multiverse does not hold water considering Existence MUST be....thus existence is a natural byproduct of the Universe or Multiverse....thus a Supernatural answer is irrelevant.


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    The multi verse theory is way out there. I didn't believe anyone with any intelligence would believe such nonsense.....I see I am correct.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

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    That's because you do not Understand Quantum Mechanics.

    Actually...there really isn't much that you do understand is there?

    But you are Johnny on the Spot with Insults! LOL!!

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    Hahaha! I understand just fine which is why I know it is a bunch of bunk.
     
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    1) I never gave you the passage, that was another poster
    2) Quit messing with the quote function so that people do not know you have responded ...

    You seemed to be claiming that God did not kill Children. He does in Genesis 6:7 and at numerous other times throughout the OT.

    The benefit of the doubt ? Are you kidding me ? Everyone died except Noah, his 3 sons and their wives. What kind of idiot would think that no women and babies existed on earth prior to the flood (except Noah's wives)

    The Israelites were engaging in human sacrifice for centuries after Moses.


    What is it that you want answered directly ? It is you that is the dancer in almost every conversation we have had.

    I never got to see if you responded to my trickster post and if you did you probably messed with the quote function so I would not know you had responded. It is you who is the "trickster"

    Here I my previous post on your trickster God.... The one that you "danced around" because by your own logic God is a trickster God.


    Here is what you said:
    "Gods intervention" you say Magic !!

    1) the water did not have to go anywhere because there was no flood of Genesis proportions 4000 years ago.
    2) If there were such an event the water could not possibly have gone into the atmosphere and if it had gone into the formation of ice at the poles there would be way more ice at the poles that currently exists (aside from the fact that the ice has been receding over the last 12,000 years not growing)

    This leaves Magic !! God sucked up all the water through a straw ?

    Not only would have God had to have gotten rid of the water but he also would have had to have gotten rid of all the evidence of this flood. If the flood really happened it would have created layer all over the planet that was easily recognized.

    God would have had to have transported "magically" all the animals back to their native lands and gotten rid of all the evidence that those animals lived in Mesopotamia previous to the flood.

    Now you need to put your thinking cap on and use the intelligence that God gave you.

    Why would God erase all the evidence that would prove his deeds actually happened. God obviously knew that later humans would figure out that there was no evidence for the flood. Why would God erase all this evidence ?

    Why would God do something to make intelligent people disbelieve in the Bible ? Does God not want people to believe in him ?

    If God does not want humans to believe in him then you are going against the will of God by believing in God

    If you believed God intervened through Magic and then wiped clean all the evidence you believe in a Trickster God. Now answer the questions put to you and use the quote function properly this time so that I know you have responded.
     
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    OK...Folks....here we go...watch this.

    You understand?

    Well then....if you understand please explain exactly WHERE the Quarks are going to and from that are blinking in and out of existence within Hadrons as in each Proton and Neutron there exists a specific number of Quarks that are blinking in and out of Universal Existence but always exist numerically at and between a specific Numerical minimum and maximum.....but never exist numerically in a greater or lessor number than those minimums and maximums.

    So....if you....UNDERSTAND....as you say....EXPLAIN....exactly why these Quarks are doing this and where they are going to and coming from?

    Folks....THIS SHOULD BE GOOD!!!

    Either Doombuggy answers....or he looks like a FOOL again.

    AboveAlpha
     
  12. Mitt Ryan

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    It is hard, no doubt about that.

    Jesus said, "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it."---Matthew 7:13-14 NLT

    Click on the link below which explains it very thoroughly why is following Christ so difficult.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/following-Christ.html
     
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    How about the moral sincerity of our friends on the left? Is it moral to keep raising the taxes on the wealthiest, what would be their fair share? In my view, they are already paying a lot in their tax burden obligations as it is.
     
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    If by life you mean life as we accept the term, no. If by life you mean the simplest form, no reason why not.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110609141554.htm

    The building blocks of life as we know it are out there in the universe. Life in a different form, one that we do not recognise, may also be out there. After all, you talk of spirits and angels. These are just theories in scientific terms.
     
  15. Mitt Ryan

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    Not true. Scripture tells us, the Israelites who were God's chosen people were sacrificing animals not human beings. The Amalekites and Canaanites were cultures that were engaging in child (human) sacrifices to their false gods.
     
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    Maybe when you talk ill of others you should expect it back and if you treat your fellow man well why did you say our "idiocy"? Do they teach you to insult people in church if they disgaree with you? Also not one of us was off topic. We were all on topic. Why did you lie again? Actually, Ive noticed religious people lie a lot, why is that? IS it because you have to lie to make your point or is it you cant argue with facts. For example, you skipped over two posts where I pointed out that you made contradictory statements but responded the last one in order to tell another lie. Hmm I asked you, were there children and babies on the earth at the time of the flood....YES Or NO? Its an on topic question and if I were you I would review my older posts on the same question before answering while keeping in mind you recently stated chances are they were eaten. So for the record please answer the question in a succinct manner. If you make another strawman instead of answering you will prove to me and many readers your religion is false as it is a straight up on point question that the religious people on the forum have provided different contradicting answers to over time. So pretty please answer the question with your definitive answer.
    So to sum up, first it was stated children and babies were killed as a mercy killing, then it changed to they werent innocent, then when I pointed out god "KILLED" more babies and children than all of the evil atheist dictators combined, you first attempted to say it wasnt murder, then I pointed out I didnt use the word murder I clearly used the word "killed" you attempted more strawmans and then when we also illustrated a 1month - 2 yr old baby doesnt have the cognative ability to be evil or even know what that is, you then obviously backed into a corner by the contradictions in your bible had to make the statement, to say........................ there werent any they were all eaten. If that isnt a debate win by me I dont know that there ever will be.
    Ill await your YES or NO answer to the question, were there children and babies on the planet at the time of Noahs flood?
     
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    To set the record straight. I don't believe the global noah flood happened. You claim that, so you need to answer which of the 3 or if there is another is correct.
     
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    If all you do is share the true word of God, then explain how you concocted the idiotic idea that all children and babies were eaten by adults at time of noah.
    Only a fake christian would make such a claim to make christians look bad. Unless you can point to some place in the bible where you have a leg to stand on.
     
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    The wicked people before the Flood....didn't have sex?!?!?!? Or were condoms widely available back then?
     
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    Basically WanRen can ADD stuff to the Bible...if it's NOT in it.

    By that rationale, as long as Genesis doesn't NOT say the wicked people of Noah's time built submarines and God told Noah to design the Ark as a sub-chasing Fletcher-class destroyer (made of gopherwood, of course)....

    it is "possible" that that's what happened. Genesis doesn't say that it DIDN'T happen, does it??? :)
     
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    So basically your statement contradicts your earlier provided link and posting then? Does that mean a GOD does not exist....NO....Mathematically. ....GOD cannot be proven to either exist or not exist

    GOD cannot be proven to either exist or not exist = meaning that the search and research continues.
     
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    I know you did not provided the passage Genesis 6:5 but the topic was about Genesis 6:5 or Noah's flood.
    I am not messing with the quote I mass quote all of you in one respond to save bandwidth space especially when all of you are gossiping about me and not about the topic. So if you want me to respond to your post only I suggest not to gossip about me.

    In Genesis 6:7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. no mention that God will destroy all babies. In other Gospels those are base on different situation as I said we can discuss the rest of the Gospels one at a time.


    Yes the benefit of the doubt since you and others are making interpretation that Genesis 6:5 and 7 mention babies and it did not and that your position is that the term "man" mean everyone male, female, children and babies that I will give you another benefit of the doubt because we know that the meaning of man has been meant to mean humanity. Yes everyone died except Noah and his family all adults no babies because if you are specific looking for the word babies there is none. What kind of idiot would keep on defending wickedness and evil during or prior to the Noah's flood.

    What kind of human sacrifices like what the natives of Central america are doing or in South East Asia?


    Simple since you guys keep claiming that innocent babies were killed by God then explain Genesis 6:5 -7.

    Nope it was one of the posters one of your buddies who claim God is a trickster I think or was it you? And I responded that God is no trickster and you pick it up by claiming I said God is a trickster I am assuming you are not intentionally misquoting me again I give you that benefit of the doubt.

    Did I claim God is a trickster or am I responding to your magical post claim that base on your magic claim for you God is a trickster.
     
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    To answer your simple question they have sex and afterwards they ate their babies including other weaker humans. They don't need condoms they just ate the fetuses, babies and infants it is part of their food chain.

    I don't have to add anything about or in the Bible all I have to do is respond to all your none Biblical questions.
     
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    What exactly am I wrong about?
     
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