Part 12 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

That is just your biased opinion which is not a fact. So why do you express your biased opinion and state it as a fact? You can't possibly know who committed more atrocities, all you can do is just have a biased opinion.

And it's obvious you being non-religious will make a biased statement. I'm a religious person but I'm not going to make a statement claiming non-religious people committed more atrocities because I honestly don't know but what I do know is that every single one of us regardless if religious/non-religious are all sinners...that's right we are all sinners!

 

There you go...using that evil, Satanic...LOGIC again.

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Oh, no...there is no difference. If the Amalekites had won, God would have been put up in their Nuremburg trial same as the Israelite leaders.

 

But believe me, they are not the same religion.

 

Imagine if Old Testament rules of engagement had been used in World War-II


New York Times- June 6, 1944

"D-DAY BEGINS.

EISENHOWER ORDERS AMERICAN TROOPS TO KILL ALL GERMAN MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND BABIES.

Ike cited the evil nature of Nazi Germany and that God Himself had ordered him to carry out the slaughter."

 

I could present you a list of atrocities and hope to God you have spoken out against every single one of them. If not, then time for you to put the straight jacket on Mr. Crazyman.

 

Well it's pretty clear when our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 NLT

To come to the Father is to obtain His favor, to have access to His throne by prayer, and finally to enter His kingdom. No man can obtain any of these things except by the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. By coming by Him is meant coming in His name and depending on His merits. We are ignorant, and He alone can guide us. We are sinful, and it is only by His merits that we can be pardoned. We are blind, and He only can enlighten us. God has appointed Him as the Mediator, and has ordained that all blessings shall descend to this world through Him. Hence He has put the world under His control; has given the affairs of men into His hand, and has appointed Him to dispense whatever may be necessary for our peace, pardon, and salvation.

So basically all this means is that God is only accepting the Christian religion through Jesus Christ. One has to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior in order to be saved.

 

Start 1 by 1 if you wish. I won't go off the deep end anywhere and say there were no children or babies cuz adults ate them.
So I take it you think WR is correct. Adults ate the babies before the flood as they were part of the food chain.

 

No, you just say folks ate them. No shield to use.

 

Same is NOT similar.

 

For once I wish you would admit when you are wrong. God will not punish you for making a mistake but (as per scripture IMO) he will punish the fool.

A fool is someone who does not learn from his mistakes.

I said:

You said:

Now you are moving the goalposts and trying to avoid the fact that you were wrong but clearly you were wrong. You said it was not true that the Israelites engaged in human sacrifice and you are wrong. Period.

This has nothing to do with your claim that the Israelites did not engage in child sacrifice. Your claim was wrong.

As to your new point, I have already addressed it. The Israelites did not spend much time worshiping this YHWH fellow for 8-10 centuries after Moses.
Even during the time of Moses they turned to other Gods and obviously from Joshua they were still worshiping other Gods.

Is there any part of this that is unclear to you ?

Further I gave you references that show that sometimes child sacrifice was conducted in the name of YHWH.

Perhaps, perhaps not. We just don't know. What we do know is that for most of their history prior to Persia (according to the Bible) the Israelites were engaging in Child sacrifice.

I never said that.

What we do know is that the Judaism underwent considerable changes under the influence of the Persia http://www.academia.edu/717022/Passover_the_Jewish_cultic_calendar_and_the_Torah

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/jul/13/abrahamic-religion-zoroastrian-judaism

At the end of the day we really do not know much about how this YHWH fellow was worshiped in the early days because of the considerable editing and reworking of stories that took place as the OT was being put together.

What we do have in the Bible is a description of a people that did not spend much time worshiping YHWH.

 

Why do you cherry pic a sentence fragment (cant even be bothered to put the whole sentence down) and that speak to it without addressing what I said.

I said they are similar. Of course they are not the same.

The similarities are as follows:


They both worship the same God (God of Abraham)
The both respect the OT
They both respect Jesus (Muslims look at him as a prophet - just like the early Christians) (After Constantine Jesus was made into a God by modern Christians)
They both have done very evil things in the name of this God
They both use the "Fear Factor" to scare people into believing

The main difference is that Islam does not believe Jesus is a God (nor did most Christians until Constantine)

 

What is this nonsense ? Jesus is stating that he will Judge people at the end of days. He is the gatekeeper. Nothing in this passage is mentioned about having to believe in a certain religion and I have proved this to you before.

The way into heaven according to the words of Jesus is through works. The Sheep and Goats Parable in Matt 25 gives a clear picture of Jesus sitting on the throne of Judgement and in that parable he Judges on the basis of works.

Quit making up your own interpretation of scripture and presenting it as fact when you know your interpretation is clearly contradicted elsewhere in scripture.

This is very disingenuous and almost akin to lying.

 

Yes I am aware of that and I'm also aware that the founder of the Islamic religion has his bones lying dormant in the ground somewhere in the Middle East, while the founder of Christianity lives on and will return oneday to reign over this entire world to fix all the mess we sinful humans have created.

 

does he indeed?

where is he?

 

What is worship? Worship means “to give honor, homage, reverence, respect, adoration, praise, or glory to a superior being.” God demands worship because He and He alone is worthy of it. He is the only being that truly deserves worship. He requests that we acknowledge His greatness, His power and His glory. Revelation 4:11 tells us, “You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” God created us, and He is a God who will not be usurped. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me” (Exodus 20:3-5). We must understand that God’s jealousy is not the sinful envy that we experience, born out of pride. It is a holy and righteous jealousy that cannot allow the glory due only to Him to be given to another.

God expects us to worship Him as an expression of reverence and thanksgiving to Him. But God wants even more than that. God also expects us to be obedient to Him. He wants not only for us to love Him; He wants us to act justly towards each other, to show love and compassion to others. In this way, we present ourselves to Him as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to Him. This glorifies God and is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1). When we worship with an obedient heart and an open and repentant spirit, God is glorified, Christians are purified, the church is edified and the lost are evangelized. These are all the elements of true worship.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/God-demand-worship.html#ixzz2uNbwviz1

 

Sure you religious people would never make a biased unfounded statement.....neve.......wait what?! Thats all religion is is unfounded biased statements of fantasy.

 

First of all He did not create our first parents, Adam and Eve imperfect. Adam and Eve were the most perfect human beings in the history of the world. But when they disobeyed God, sin entered the world.

The Bible says that God created hell for Satan and the wicked angels who rebelled against Him, but there are people in hell also (Matthew 25:41). Both angelic beings and human beings are in hell for the same reason, sin (Romans 6:23).

Because God is completely righteous and morally perfect (Psalm 18:30), He always does what is right—there is no “darkness” in God, not the smallest speck of imperfection (1 John 1:5). God Himself is the standard for what is right, good, and moral. If it were not for God being the standard of moral perfection, created beings would have nothing to measure themselves against. In other words, if God is perfectly righteous, then anything that falls short of said perfection is sinful, and every human being who has ever lived, since Adam’s fall from grace, has committed sin (Romans 3:23). Because Adam sinned, the entire human race now has a sinful nature (Romans 5:12). But people do not go to hell because of Adam’s sin; they go to hell because of their own sin, which they freely choose (James 1:13–16).

Since God is eternal, immutable, and infinite, and all sins are fundamentally against God, God has decreed the just punishment for sin must also be eternal (Matthew 25:46). There is another aspect to consider, which is that God also created people to live eternally. So when someone commits a sin against another person, the offended person has also been eternally wronged.

God, therefore, has deemed all who commit sin will go to hell because they have failed to meet His righteous standard; they have broken His Law of moral perfection. If God did not send people to hell for breaking His laws, it could be said that God is not just (Psalm 7:11). A good analogy is a court of law with a judge and a lawbreaker. A just judge will always convict the person who has been found guilty. If that judge did not pursue justice for the crime, he would not be a just judge (Deuteronomy 32:4).

However, the good news is that God is also merciful. In His rich mercy, He made a way for sinners to avoid the punishment of hell by trusting in the atoning work of His Son, Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16). For Christians, the penalty of sin has been removed and placed upon Christ on the cross (1 Peter 2:24). Because of the sacrifice of Christ, God is still just—the sin is punished—yet He is also merciful to all who believe.

http://www.gotquestions.org/why-does-God-send-people-to-hell.html#ixzz2uNi2YqMf

 

say that back to yourself, out loud. at least three times.

 

No, He didn't take away Pharaoh's free will and hardened his heart, that's a misconception, a misinterpretation of Scripture. Let me explain thoroughly.

Every language has its own way of using certain types of words and phrases that might appear odd to a person not familiar with the language. For instance, suppose a person commented that his wife became angry and "bit his head off."

Would anyone think that the speaker actually had his head bitten off? Of course not! English-speaking people understand this example of figurative speech.

Or suppose a person went looking for a lost pet, and someone said that he was "hitting the streets." He was not literally hitting the streets with his fists. Most English speakers would understand the idiom.

In the same way, the biblical languages had idioms, colloquialisms, Semitisms, and word usages peculiar to them, which those familiar with the language would understand.

Hebrew and Greek languages used verbs to mean something other than their strict, literal usage.
So when the text says that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, it means that God would permit or allow Pharaoh’s heart to be hardened.

Pharaoh made up his own mind to resist God’s demands. Of his own accord, he stubbornly refused to comply. Of course, God provided the occasion for Pharaoh to demonstrate his unyielding attitude. If God had not sent Moses, Pharaoh would not have been faced with the dilemma of whether to release the Israelites. So God was certainly the instigator and initiator. But He was not the author of Pharaoh’s defiance.

So in conclusion, the plagues were all the result of Pharaoh's own stubborness, his hardened heart. And it is clear that God did not unjustly or directly harden Pharaoh’s heart.

 

why did god make wicked angels and a satan?

how, if you do not possess independent objective morality (according to you, it comes from god, not us), do you know god is morally perfect?

Since god essentially behaves in the same was an abusive husband, or rapist - i.e., do what I say or suffer the consequences - can you explain where the mercy is?

 

God didn't murder those children, it was Pharaoh's defiance that killed them. He was warned but because of his stubborness, he did not let the Israelites go, resulting in the deaths of all the first-borns.

 

No, god hardened his heart to complete his plan. You have avoided that, other than making up a story about misused idioms with no authentication.

 

so this is like when the feisty young girl is killed by her would-be- rapist. it wasn't HIM who killed her, it was her defiance.

you're a seriously scary apologist, MR.

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he's on the slippery slope of doom. once you start blaming the victim, there's no end to what you're capable of.

 

Again, because you have misinterpreted Scripture you have mistakenly believed that God took away Pharaoh's free will. God has never taken away anyone's free will choices.

Pharaoh had a stubborn heart, Pharaoh was to blame for the miseries (plagues) Egypt endured until finally Pharaoh let the Israelites go but by that time he (Pharaoh) had killed his son and all other first-borns in the land of Egypt.

 

god doesn't take away free will because he never gave any in the first place. he's the abusive husband/rapist, remember.

that's right, blame it all on the victim. you're on fire, MR.