Part 14 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Scripture disagrees with both of you. God specifically and proudly declares he hardens Pharaoh's heart and explains exactly why he does it.
Neither of you have any credibility, but your threads are vastly entertaining to see how people can deceive themselves so completely. It is like an advanced sociology class to watch you two.
How old are these posts? Why don't you just respond to what you can in a timely manner and make your posts relevant to what is currently going on in the thread? Afraid of something?

 

Let us be clear the word "adversary" mean Satan therefore it is interchangeable between Judaism and Christianity. The roll of what Satan does is identical both in what the Tanakh and Bible said and that is to tempt humans the difference between Christian teaching and Judaism with Satan is according to your link God created Satan according to the Christian teaching Satan evolved from Lucifer and Lucifer used to be a good angel before he became Satan.

This applies only to passages referring to Satan as a proper name – the angelic being. The word Satan is actually used many times in the Tanakh, and it means an adversary,
http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-2566/the-jewish-view-of-satan/?p=2566

Nope I recognize the Rabbi's interpretation Judaism will interpret it according to their understanding just like they refuse to accept Jesus Christ because they have their own understanding of who and what the Messiah supposed to be and they were wrong I won't be surprise that they were also wrong in the interpretation of Satan.

http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-2566/the-jewish-view-of-satan/?p=2566

The role of Jewish "adversary" is similar to that of Satan. In Job story both the Bible and Torah have identical theme and that is how Satan or "adversary" tried to make Job's life miserable and how Job remain faithful and devoted to God.

Weather for theological or philosophical discussion the story of Job revolves around human character to be good and the lesson that material wealth are just temporal things the important thing is the spiritual the long term goal which is everlasting life.

 

Do you two even read what you post? Are you even able to comprehend the contradictions in your own posts? The two of you are doing more harm to this christianity religion than good ... and you can't even see it.

God died,... god can't die...

No one can read with clarity ... only WR and I can read with great clarity...

You are not helping this god at all.

 

wait just a minute .....

your BFF, WR, claims god did NOT create satan. which is it to be? did or didn't?

if it's DID, as you now claim, and god is responsible for ALL CREATION and EVERYTHING in all creation, did he leave a corner of satan clear of programming so that the evil could be installed later?

and why the (*)(*)(*)(*) would god sit on his hands for thousands of years and watch satan run amok? why the waiting to 'confine him and his minions to everlasting punishment'? also, please explain how this confinement thing will work, what it will look like, what the everlasting punishment will look and feel like, where it will happen, and how - if god is such a great guy, he's okay with inflicting eternal torment on one of his creations. that was supposed to be satan's gig, remember, yet here your boy is doing same. finally, if satan is responsible for evil in the world, and he's taken offline by god, will all evil magically cease to exist? just the way it didn't when jesus died to end sin?

 

Seems to me some other folks said this same thing. Now who could that be?

Oh I remember it was, ... Rev. Fred Phelps, ... Rev. Jim Jones, ... Rev. Ted Haggard, ... Rev. David Koresh, ... Rev. Joesph Smith, ... Rev. Jim Baker, ... Rev. Creflo Dollar, ... Rev. Jimmy Swaggart, ... Rev. Eddie Long, ... Rev. Jack Schaap, ... Rev. David Loveless, ... Rev. Sam Hinn, ... Rev. Issac Hunter, ... Rev. Paul Crouch, ... Rev. Geronimo "Pastor G" Aguilar, ... Rev. Craig Lamar Davis, ... Rev. Biodun Fatoyinbo, ... Rev. C. J. Mahaney, .............

Well at least you are in some good company.

 

Man you got me. I'm intoxicated and have mental issues.
How in the world can I not see that all adults ate all the children, babies, and fetuses during noahs time. I really ran off the straight and narrow when I quit believing that.
Hopefully, you and wrong wren can keep posting all these great stories and opinions and get me back in line. God Bless. And I pray you aren't really fake christians. I don't want you to spend eternity in the place you are so scared of.

 

oh yes, wrong wren is the poster child for normal brain function. I bet you were the teacher. lol

 

Normal fake christians spout that. r

 

Wow, this is great news I knew they will soon see things God's way and become true part of Christianity I like to welcome our new Christian friends.
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If they did not crucified Jesus Christ this would mean Jesus need not have to sacrifice himself the world will revolt against Satan. Man can be saved without Jesus having to sacrifice himself it was all up to man not God man chose to deny God, man chose to crucified God and God did not resist, God accepted man's wrong decision in order to demonstrate God's love that God will be willing to do anything for us because God love us so much that He offer His only Son.
The basic logic is that man need not have to crucified Jesus Christ it is very unthinkable and illogical why would man want to kill someone who teach only love, equality and freedom even the Romans were puzzled by the illogical logic of the Pharisees for wanting Jesus killed a man of peace they even went as far as they chose Barabas the murderer and criminal over Jesus Christ that is illogical

Bible writer were not dubious because they were writing the Words of God.

 

I or the early Jews did not know that was the will of God for God to have his son to die. Why would you say that when it is very clear the people did not know in fact that was the reason why the Pharisees rejected Jesus because their expectation was a mighty warrior messiah that would destroy Rome and lead Israel in conquering the world. So the Pharisees decided to have Jesus crucified not God.

No it was not God's will it was man's action and God only reacted to man's decision for God's only Son to die.
That is why Jesus was praying to his Father and in the end Jesus understood that it was man's will not God's.
[video=youtube;I3mFBh2z9sc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3mFBh2z9sc[/video]

Do you believe in the Bible that state Jesus Christ is the Son of God or not?

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On the contrary you are trying to make me to accept your distortion.

Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God the Resurrected Christ, God the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit?
And yes God did not want His Son to die just like He did not want Abraham to kill his son Isaac.

And you also ignored and deny God's Son Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead, seated at the right hand of God.....

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord;
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,

was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended to the dead.
The third day he arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy universal Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.

So now tell me do you really believe God is dead or not?

You are the one that kept insisting that I put words in God's mouth not I. I have been very clear I need not put words in God's mouth because God has already spoken to us through the Holy Bible.

You mean scriptures such as "I am the Way the Truth and the Light or Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe, or In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" are these some example Scriptures that you said I lie about because I believe in them while you don't???

 

At the moment I'm answering your questions/comments that you posed on Part 5. I know this question of yours came from Part 3 and I did answer it on Part 5 but the thing is I didn't respond to it in the right way to get you notified and also I'm using it to explain why it takes a while to get a response from me.

So let me give you all some perspective here on why I'm so far behind, let's take a look at the whole picture. I am currently on Part 14 of my threads.

Up to now there has been 9,935 responses in grand total. I myself have made 1,610 responses which means there are 8,325 questions/comments I haven't responded to.

The first thread I started was on Dec. 21, 2012, so that's 8 days shy of 15 months these threads have been going on.
So if you do a little math here it shows that I'm making approx. 3.577 or lets just round that off to 4 posts a day, that is what I have been averaging lately. I'm going to try to increase that somewhat if I can if my time permits.

Sorry but that's the way it is and that is why I'm so far behind. I am responding to all posts from members whose postings are coherent enough for me to respond to.

And so when new members come on and post a question or comment for the most part I'm not answering them yet and so I want them to know I'm not really ignoring them, my friend WR has been responding to them which I appreciate very much.

But here's an idea, why don't you all just stop coming to my thread for a whole year by that time I will have caught up and then I will be answering as quickly as they come in...lol

But hey that's why my good friend WanRen is here helping me out with these questions/comments. But you know sometimes I'm flexible and I do respond to current questions/comments but for the most part I'm just answering all those past posts I haven't had a chance to answer, currently as I have said I'm answering posts coming from Part 5 and I'm almost done with Part 5, then I will tackle Part 6.

My motto is: "Let no question/comment from the fraternity of non-believers go unanswered" unless of course they are too incoherent for me to make a response to...lol

 

Easy crank...why so much hostility in your posts?

 

There are really no "tough" questions, the questions you consider tough is really in reality incoherent in my perspective and so when I come across incoherent questions I just ignore them because how can anyone answer something that is incoherent...that is so illogical!

 

I agree that God gave us free will. What does this have to do with the central question of who created Satan.

If God did not want the beings he created to be capable of evil then why did he create beings that were capable of evil ?/

Is everything that God created equal to God ? The statement above does not make any sense. Clarify what you mean.

What is Gods nature such that all the things he created are equal to this nature or at least not dissimilar ?

 

Of course one can answer to something incoherent. You state why it is incoherent. Name one thing I have said that you think is incoherent.

Was it me that tried to justify baby killing ?
Was it me that said the continents were together 7000 years ago ?
Was it me that claimed that God created everything that exists but did not create Satan ?

Justify your claim and state what I said that was "incoherent".

 

You accept scripture that agrees with your man made dogma and deny scripture that doesn't.

You deny that God sent his son to die for our sin.

Why would you give a youtube video when I have given you the actual scripture where Jesus is praying to God.

Jesus asks God to not carry out his plan but agrees " to do Gods will" What exactly is Gods will for Jesus .. what is Jesus referring to when he says "take this cup from me"

Would you like me to repost the scripture that I refer to ?

Why don't you ask Mitt to respond. Even he will not claim otherwise. Gods will was for his son to be sacrificed.

It was Gods will that Jesus die for the sin of man.

 

Why does this matter to you so much ? What difference does it make ?

Have I ever stated that Jesus was not the Son of God ?

 

I know you're being sardonic, it's your misunderstanding, that's why you don't get it. We Christians get it and that's why we understand. We read Scripture and we interpret it correctly, thus we see why God punished all but 8. Your refusal to believe there is a God is already an obstacle for you to understand the God of the Bible. But who knows maybe, just maybe someday you will finally get it.

If He hasn't intervened yet because obviously it means we haven't gone over the threshold yet of what He can't tolerate. Don't get me wrong, this is still an evil world we live in but the evil and wickedness is not where our Lord has to intervene.

Perhaps if the world was engaged in a World War III, He would intervene.

It is propheseid that Jesus shall return oneday to reign on earth for a thousand years, when will that be, we just don't know.

 

God does not fail, His divine plan is still on going as planned. He has given us a Savior in Jesus Christ and now we are just waiting for the final chapter to unfold.

You don't know what you are saying, it's because you misinterpret Scripture. There is no where in Scripture depicting a sinful man having sex with boy kid when drunk...lol

Where did that come from?...lol Are you sharing with us an experience you had or what?...lol

No, again you misunderstood WR. God promised He will not destroy mankind again in another flood.

But there is eternal punishment for all people who don't believe in God, who don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior.

So the choice is ours to make, do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord Savior or not?

 

Although Mormons profess to be Christians and say they believe the Word of God, there are many of their beliefs that contradict Christianity. In fact, Mormonism can be referred to as a cult, which can be defined as “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” Mormons say they are Christians, but because they reject foundational truths from the God’s Word, they are not.

Mormons also believe that Jesus was a god, but not God Himself. Sadly, many in the Mormon Church are unaware of the religion’s shady past, amended scriptures, and even the full doctrine of their church. Many Mormons who have discovered these things have left the church and come to a true saving faith in Jesus Christ.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons-Christians.html#ixzz2vvj39fYa

Jesus is the son of Mary. It is biblical to say that Mary was the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ during His incarnation on the earth. However, Catholics believe it is not enough to say that Mary was the mother of Jesus. Pope John Paul II, in a speech in 1996, encouraged people “not only to invoke the Blessed Virgin as the Mother of Jesus, but also to recognize her as Mother of God” (L'Osservatore Romano, 4 December 1996, p. 11). This is not biblical. The Lord God Almighty has no mother, since He has no beginning and no end (Genesis 1:1; Revelation 4:8.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Mary-mother-God-theotokos.html#ixzz2vvlbGBZT

Roman Catholics believe Mary was born without original sin, however non-Roman Catholic Christians don't hold the same belief as the Roman Catholics do.

The problem with the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that it is not taught in the Bible. The Bible nowhere describes Mary as anything but an ordinary human female whom God chose to be the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/immaculate-conception.html#ixzz2vvqopes8

 

Post ignored, its over a year old and no longer relevant. But thanks for again quoting me when I asked you nicely more than 15 times now to stop.
To the other readers, this should illustrate how religious people really treat and think of their fellow man. The OP is intentionally trying to irritate me by repeatedly doing something I asked him to stop doing which is quoting my posts that are over a year old! Lets see how long the religious people prove their hypocrisy. How religious eh? Its just like a religious person to think too bad what you think, Im going to keep doing what I want to you even if you don't like it.
These are the same people that believe in witches and that there were no children on earth at the time of NOAHs flood because their parents "ate them"
P.S. Mitt, it isn't working. And thanks for proving my argument.

 

Because of Noah's righteousness that's how God gave him grace. We read in Scripture, "This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God."---Genesis 6:9 NLT

 

No....no....Exactly! You are definitely confused, you have been for a long long while now. One of these days though you might just snap out of your confused state.

Nobody knows when the end will come, only God knows. So don't listen to anyone who gives you an exact date, they are full of baloney.

 

Not in Judaism it doesn't. Adversary can mean anyone in opposition to God. And I have to remind you that the Tanakh and Judaism is far older than Christianity so they should know.

The quote you use just qualifies my statement. The first sentence gives the Christian view as in the previous paragraph. The second refers specifically to the Tanakh. It is a comparison between both views.
The 'being' Christians call Satan - the enemy of God, is, in Judaism, a messenger/agent of God. As the passage explains the Hebrews believe God created all things, good and bad. Isaiah 45:7. Christianity has adapted Jewish beliefs. AGAIN I say that Judaism came long before Christianity.

Can't you understand that Judaism has no need to interpret it. This is their scripture, this is what they believe. You can interpret it as you wish, the Hebrews have no reason to. Any interpretation we put on the Tanakh scriptures is because we may have a different view. They don't. This is their TRUTH.
It's like asking Shakespeare to interpret his own work when he knows what he wrote, he has no reason to interpret his own work. He might explain to others what he is saying but he cannot 'interpret' his own work.