Part 15 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    so god DIDN'T make us in his own image?
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes also covered... we get it, you prove your scripture correct by referencing your scripture. Hitler goes to heaven non believer who spent his life helping people burns in fire.....FOR ETERNITY!
     
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    What did your direct line to God get cut? Or just you dreaming you have this direct line.
    No need to ask, the inspired word of God says without a doubt, God created evil.

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    Nope the youth of the world that are confused are those that have to listen to the likes of the false witnessing this thread is guilty of.
     
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    Many live the decent, loyal and social justice life without the God of abraham as their spirit guide. Actually a majority of the world.
     
  5. Incorporeal

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    No, my direct line did not get cut; no I am not dreaming about a direct line.
    So, if you know the answer is found in scripture, then the matter of you asking the question was a matter of baiting. Interesting.
     
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    A great many people don't have minds like a little child.
    Yet scripture is clear, God created evil. Go figure, hates sin but creates evil which leads to sin. Contradictory?

    God created the evil which leads to the misery.

    Free will means we can choose to do something God has no clue we will choose. So not omnipotent then,
    Every bit of it, killing babies, creating evil, all of it. According to you.
     
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    That's one of the key taboo ideas. The minute you let the kiddies think goodness flourishes without religion as easily as it does with, they're going to start asking "well what the hell is the point, then?" It's imperative to indoctrinate the idea that only the religious can be truly good. Once you've succumbed to that rule, you spend your life making excuses for atheist goodness. I've seen sweet old ladies do it. "Barney spends many hours working for charities, and is the most honest person I've ever met, but you know he DRINKS", or "Betty is such a good and kind person, but she's DIVORCED, and living in sin".

    As usual, they get it utterly twisted in their need to support the First Idea.
     
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    it's not baiting, it's a commonly used educational device. if you can get the subject to voice an answer out loud, it can be helpful in demonstrating the illogic of a certain point.
     
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    You are now contradicting something you said in these threads. To those who have not heard of christ you said they will be judged differently. Were you wrong then or now?
    How is anyone to take what you say as something to guide themselves by? You say one thing one time and something completely different another time. False witness?
     
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    God of the OT, the hebrew god, is all about punishing wicked and evil. Which God created according to the infallible word of god.
    God of the NT, via Jesus, is about love and turning the other cheek, definitely god did a 180 in how he handles humans.
    And no, I don't want your explanation, it will now be over 1 yr before you respond. And I don't care for the falsifying you present.

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    As you pointed out recently, false witnesses claim to speak for God.
    And you don't really believe the 'come to your senses' statement, do you?
     
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    Didn't address my post at all.
    How did they reject him(God), they were not introduced to him. It was the God of Abraham, the group we come to call the jewish. All was revealed to them, no other clan was revealed to the god of the jewish. Unless you have some document that shows they were also revealed to the jewish god?
     
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    Then perhaps you can find a law, code, rule, regulation, statute, TOS or other document which mandates that all people comply with and use logic. In what particular school is it that uses this particular "educational device"? What is the precise name of that particular "educational device"? When did you first encounter a school staff member using such an "educational device"?
     
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    He actually agreed with me on a scriptural point. I do not have my hopes high but the Gods be praised for small miracles.
     
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    Looking for some laughter, which I get.
    Also, a glutton for punishment.
    Sure.
    Don't you get laughs out of idiotic statements? Yes, you do. I see many posts by you with LOL. And there is many many LOL posts being answered
     
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    That is a goal. Get you 2 yrs behind, then will work on 3 and so forth.
     
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    Baiting? No, wondering what you've been told. But clearly you agree God created evil.
     
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    Read the silly book it's self evident to anyone with a fifth grade reading level.


    And just for the record I can claim to know the mind of god the same way you do. You see you claim to know the mind of god by reading the bible and I can make the same claim ... and still be smart enough to realize that I'm
    reading mythology.

    You would like it if I said there was a god .. but I'll just sit back and wait for those who make the claim there is one to produce real evidence ... I'm sure I'll be waiting a very long time!
     
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    His claim is he has a direct line to God. So he is like a messenger of God, but can't say anything about God. Kinda strange.
     
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    By what you say, you are not mere mortal man. You are an ear of God, you have a direct line. So it wouldn't be an opinion if you answered.
    You can reveal a small part to us mere mortal men.
     
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    It says he created evil. What is hard for mortal men to understand is why? He creates something that gets humans punished. To mortal men, it is illogical. Punish people for something obviously wanted.
     
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    How can they deny god created evil it says so right ther in the book plain as day ...
    This god obviously thinks evil is necessary why else would he create it?

    I'm of the opinion that he needed evil so he would have a reason to slaughter folks in the good old days!

    Slaughtering people or having them slaughtered by others seems to be a favorite past time of this god!

    Maybe he just hates what he creates ... therefor the need for evil and so he could have fun destroying what he created.

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    This isn't the only strange thing I've noticed about him.
     
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    Why would I not believe that God created evil... You believe it don't you? I still suspect that you were baiting.
     
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    What is EVIL is SUBJECTIVE.

    There is really no such thing as Black and White.

    There is only an infinite number of shades of Grey.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    for the purposes of the proposition, let's say there is such a thing as objective evil. why would a god need to create it, when it would be no more difficult to leave it off the menu. happy to listen to any explanation for this that doesn't involve 'free will'. when a god threatens you with eternal torture for not worshipping his lovechild, free will clearly isn't a genuine concern of his/hers.
     
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    Actually, my question was why. Why did God create evil and then punish folks for something he created?
    And I asked you because you thought the person posting was being presumptuous.
     
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