Part 16 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Now this is a lie according to the verse. Are you claiming you know and speak for God?
Evil did not evolve, it is explicitly stated, God created evil.

 

You're claiming to be a Christian and you already disagree with my second post here but why would you do that if you're a Christian?

Basically what you're saying is "I'm a Christian but I reject what our Lord Savior Jesus Christ is quoted as saying in John 3:16-21"

That's right that passage is the Apostle John quoting what our Lord Savior Jesus Christ had said. Let me bring up that passage again, which you are rejecting.

"For God loved the world so much that He gave His one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent His son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through Him.

There is no judgment against anyone who believes in Him. But anyone who does not believe in Him has already been judged for not believing in God's one and only Son. And the judgment is based on this fact: God's light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants."--- John 3:16-21 NLT

Makes me wonder if you are really a Christian or not, or maybe one that needs to study the Bible more or something.

So to answer your first question, yeah I'm equipped to answer questions regarding Christianity, haven't I just exposed your ignorance of a passage in the Bible that you weren't aware that our Lord Jesus Christ was quoted as saying?

 

Read it carefully;
Isaiah 45:
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

Down the centuries many Jewish scholars got it wrong that is why many times they suffer because they got it wrong just like they got it wrong when they rejected Jesus Christ.
Evil evolved after the creation. Not during or before.

In Isaiah 45 God is remaining us that nothing is His equal not even evil and that we should all strive to be good not evil. God can create evil if He wanted to but He didn't He created good and from good and free will of men or angels some chose to become evil and from them evolved evil so God is reminding us if He wanted He can create evil but He did not want to create evil and evil evolved itself after creation.

Instead you are saying that we should be evil because God want us to be evil?

 

Take an english course. You don't comprehend simple english sentences.

 

I have never stated that Satan is a Good guy.

You seem to have a problem with the idea that God and Satan had a good relationship and acted together in the killing of Job's family.

Satan only acts according to what God allows in Job. Satan abides by Gods request that he not harm Job. The first time when God and Satan speak again God agrees that Satan take everything Job has which includes killing Job's children but, Satan and God agree not to harm Job's person.

The second time Satan and God speak God does agree to harm Jobs person.

God and Satan have a respectful relationship

 

By your logic, light and darkness evolved after the creation as well.

 

Free will, God gave his intelligent beings or creatures free will and with that free will God allow good to prosper and truly be good.

 

You can't even admit when you're wrong. So now the Apostle John is an overzealous author...my!...my! just typical for a non-believer to be in denial and worst be in denial that you were wrong....too funny!...lol

 

I am very sure that you are not speaking for God.
God has the power over evil and that we must avoid evil.
Do you chose evil over good?
I chose good for sure.

 

You CAN'T be a "real" Christian unless you believe what Mitt believes. Everybody knows that.

 

Take Bible study so you acn understand simple English translated Bible.

 

So the subtext of that is....that YOU speak for God, right?

 

If you never stated Satan is the good guy your many posting surely imply that God is not the good guy. I have no problem with God or the story of Job as I said in the story of Job Satan wanted Job to worship him by making his life miserable and Satan accuse God of making Job's life good.
That story clearly send a strong message that one's true love and devotion to God is not because of material wealth or success but from one's soul and heart.

 

Of course I'm not speaking for God. I can simply read what the verse says. No interpretation or speaking required.

What kind of power over evil does he have?

I most always choose good

Display it once.

 

I have attended many bible classes.
And attending bible classes has nothing to do with understanding an english bible. You don't understand simple english words. You've displayed the english ignorance for over a year now and have shown no sign of getting a better understanding of the english language. That is near impossible for anyone to do unless it is done purposely. Or the person has no capability of improving.

 

Where did I say that?


There. We have it. WarRen knows better than millions of Jewish scribes to whom God gave his scripture. So God got it wrong and misled His own people.
I - God - form the light, and create darkness: I - God - make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Well, apparently not, according to WarRen.

 

That is exactly what the story is about.
And God allowed satan, according to the story, to do things to job and job's family. So as Giftedone has been saying now for months on this, is God allowed Satan to cause Job harm, bodily and emotionally.
Satan acted with God's approval.

 

Wrong, verse 7 of Isaiah does not explicitly state God created evil...can't you comprehend what you read?

Here is what the verse explicity state, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."---Isaiah 47:7 KJV

Now tell me how is "create evil" explicitly the same as "created evil"?

Now let me give a thorough explanation of the correct interpretation of the verse, I know I have given it before on these threads of mine but it appears you and others aren't taking notes. And so copy down the explanation so you won't ask the same question over and over again.

Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version does read, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: "disaster" (NIV, HCSB), "calamity" (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and "woe" (NRSV).

The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that "I create evil" in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than "bringing moral evil into existence" is in mind.

The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience.

God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him.

"Woe to him who quarrels with his Master" (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings "evil" and "disaster."

So, rather than saying that God created "moral evil,"Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.

In summary God is not the author of evil and so He did not create evil. All human miseries are a result of sin.

 

Your really upset now. I can tell because that is when the demonization starts.

I agree that the book of John states that Jesus said " 16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to be its judge, but to be its savior"

I should have said I do not think this is Jesus speaking to be absolutely clear but given we have had numerous discussions on this topic you should already know my position. Are you now happy that I have admitted my mistake ?

Good... can we now move on the central point ?

Whether or not Jesus actually said those things is not the central point so while you were perhaps justified in brining up a point of contention, only focusing on that minor point of contention and not addressing the central point is just another dodge on your part.

There is debate about whether or not the book of John was written by the Apostle John but this matters not for the moment.

The central point is that this apparent statement by Jesus contradicts what Jesus says through much of Matthew and Mark.

 

How illiterate can you be? Please explain to everyone here exactly how it is possible to "tell a lie" ... when all you do is ask a question???????
Please impart your great wisdom and tell us all how it is possible to tell a lie when asking a question?!

No ... No ... No ... No ............ You don't get to have it both ways. Either you lied when you said that the bible was the literal word of god ... or you lied when you said you agree with everything the bible says.

The book clearly says...

It doesn't say anything about evil evolving now does it. It clearly says god created evil!!!!!!!! If you have such faith in this god of yours why do you feel it necessary to lie about what he says??????

 

In the West we think of good against evil. In the East they are equals. One balances the other.

The Western God is good, therefore cannot create evil. In the East God is a balance of both - tov (good) and ra (bad). This is the Jewish view.

In the West God is light. Satan is darkness. In the East the two cannot exist without the other. How do you know light if you don't experience darkness.
We see God in the Tanakh as creator (creation) and destroyer (flood) - two different extremes.
Ka -Hebrew- means bad - not the english 'evil'. God is responsible for both good and bad (tov and ra). Neither can exist without the other.
The Eastern way is to live between two extremes while the West seek either one of the two. But neither extreme can exist without the other.
The difference between bad and evil could be debated. Whatever your interpretation, both are aspects of Gods actions.
So who should we follow. The Western (Christian) view of the all good God, or the Eastern view of the God of the balance between tov and ra.
The God of the NT which emphasises a God of Love. Or the Tanakh view of the God of the extremes which brings balance.

Ooops perhaps that's off topic.

 

So you are saying that god is an idiot and can't really say what he means in his book ... and he needs you to come along later and tell us all what he really meant ... because god is so stupid that he can't clearly convey his own intended messages?

What is wrong with your reading comprehension skills???? It is not possible to present an "interpretation" when all you do is ask a simple question!

Show us all that you are not a liar and provide the post # where I said " evil is good " If you can not provide the post I will take it as an admission from you that I am in fact correct when I say ... you are a liar.

 

You are a liar according to the text. It clearly says god " CREATED " evil.

It says nothing about evil evolving. You are adding to the text because as has been pointed out to you by others " it simply doesn't support your dogma" ... and so you change it and call it interpretation!
It remains what in fact it is ...A LIE !

 

I won't go any further. In the english language, when adding ed to the end of the word it means past tense. I create today. I created yesterday. You speak the same language as the other wolf?

There is no need for further explanation, it states explicitly in the verse. NO interpretation needed. Unless you are again speaking as the authority of God.

 

And nither should you because you make him look like a total idiot.

Lying is never good WR and you have been doing a lot of it!

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The above is proof positive that you need an English course.