Part 18 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

This is what Christianity does to otherwise good people. The corruption is profound.

I feel bad for WR, actually. I believe he's been the victim of some incredibly effective early indoctrination, and is simply incapable of breaking free. he most likely comes from a family and/or culture in which disobedience (of parents) is unthinkable - hence the trap. The poor thing WANTS to do good, and be honest, but is locked in the grubbiest of lies - where he's forced to keep covering his tracks like a slippery criminal, and against his best instincts he must defend a monster.

 

Of course there were children in these cases.

The two cities were full of sexually promiscuous peoples which, to the Hebrew patriarchs, was like a "social disease" that could and would spread to their own peoples.

The Noah situation refers to the Extinction of neanderthal men as we, Modern man, spread out-of-Africa 40,000 year ago, and filled the world to the highest mountains.

 

You can say that if you want.

But, the point is that... IF these science-prone people believe in Evolution of mankind,... then let them see that the 22 "begots" of the Genesis genealogy corresponds to the science, too.







This same story is reported in this book:




Why fight against the science if it is confirmed by the bible anyway,... be it right or wrong???

 

Exactly exactly. I almost feel like the guy telling a child santa claus isn't real but then they insist he is because they saw him. Then you have to explain that was uncle harry in a rented suit. Then they say but the cookies were eaten, and you have to explain you ate them. The mere fact he switched his argument from the babies being eaten to them not being eaten is his Uncle Harry moment. He is making the neural connections that there is a flaw in his belief and he cant quite figure it out yet but he knows there is something wrong otherwise he wouldn't have needed to change his argument.

 

There you go letting emotions creep into the conversation and subsequently distorting your view of reality.

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There you go contemplating allowing emotionalism to creep into your writings and subsequently you might say something that is emotionally driven. Not very logical.

 

Neaderthal's are mentioned no where in the Bible. That seems to be a tacked on ideology.

The Bible gives no account of 40,000 years of human history.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with WR, there is just one Bible account, furthermore there is absolutely no evidence that the Bible has been revised, edited, or tampered with in any systematic manner. The sheer volume of Biblical manuscripts makes it simple to recognize any attempts to distort God’s Word. There is no major doctrine of the Bible that is put in doubt as a result of the minor differences that exist between manuscripts.

Sorry but I don't agree with your opinion here. First off let me point out that one of the reasons for the different Christian denominations was due to disagreements over the interpretation of Scripture not because in your view the Bible has many editions, 2,905 of them as you stated. Where did you get such a figure? Are you making that up?

These denominations are basically reading the same Bible account, even though they are coming from different Bibles, like I pointed out above there is no major doctrine of the Bible that is put in doubt as a result of minor differences that exist between manuscripts.

Another point I want to make is that we Christians are not saved by believing in the inspiration or inerrancy of the Bible. We are saved by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior from sin.

We read in Scripture, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."---John 3:16 NIV

"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." Romans 10:9-10 NIV

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."---Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV

At the same time, though, it is only through the Bible that we learn about Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection on our behalf.

We read in Scripture, "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."---2 Corinthians 5:21 NIV

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."---Romans 5:8 NIV

Why would they change? They are different beliefs, they have nothing to do with the Christian faith. So sorry but I can't agree with your opinion.

 

The word "days" does not necessarily mean 24 hour durations, since the actual word mean "duration" of any length, depending on how one understands the context.

It is no coincidence that 40 thousand days ago, an actual Extinction of all mankind occurred, except for the three racial stocks that Ham, Japheth, and Shem represent.

This was such an amazing and weird event to have happened, but be recorded in scripture.
That it was written down in the Bible is on a level of importance to the note o the Big Bang beginning for the universe.

That was not even known to us until just 1940.

I find Bible people to be working against the Bible when they ignore these correspondences of what is written, and has been discovered by scientists, even if they, themselves, prefer the old medieval interpretations they learned from their church teachers.

Why?
Why do you care why others might believe the Bible, even if they differ with your programmed understanding???
Isn't your goal to get others to read and accept the Bible?

 

SPOCK!?

 

What does "SPOCK" have to do with what you are doing?

 

Really?

 

Yes! Really.

 

You tell me I speak with emotion and that is illogical.....and need the spock connection explained? Werent you the one talking about star trek earlier?

 

Is GOD a perfect being? YES or No. Incorporeal refuses to answer this in another thread after stating he never made the claim that god was a perfect being. When asked directly he wont answer therefore my question is now directed to the other theists on this thread. Please answer.

 

I think the religious people are trying to build bridges between old religious dogma and modern perceptions and revelations of the past and nature in general. These arguments are new to the Church because the revelations are particularly new to the world. It wasn't the Bible that discovered them, it was science, and the Bible attempts to find some ambiguous, nonspecific text which they claim "pointed it out all along".

 

That is right... you speak through emotions when you claim "I feel" or "I almost feel"... get the drift. FEELINGS are not a logical position to take. Who was the one who brought up the 'Enterprise' scenario? Was not me. Keep the facts straight. If you knew the facts were correct then you would not have to resort to questions such as "Werent you the one talking about star trek earlier? " So, one more time... who brought up the subject of the 'Enterprise' scenario?

 

Dont really care who brought it up first or not. I didn't ask you that. You asked me why I said Spock. I explained it to you that you sounded like spock with your "emotions" and "logical" comment and since star trek was previously discussed, I figured you would get the blatant joke. My bad. You didn't.

 

You explained no such thing. All you did was post the word "SPOCK!?". That is not an explanation of anything. Try again with some other rationalization (the making of excuses for your behavior).

 

The Bible God character was just a series of Assyrian/Babylonian Emperors who ruled the Middle East. They were just men so they were not perfect.

The Biblical God character is always interfering in mans' affairs and making all kinds of wild promises and threats in his speeches.

 

Sorry I cant simplify it any further for you. You either grasp it or you don't. Of course you could read the post right above yours where I explained it for the second time. More trolling though eh? How un Christian like.
Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name.....woo woo

 

Put real simple so that you might understand. A single word (especially the name of a fictional character on TV) followed by a question mark is not an explanation.

 

I find it delicious that you went off on this tangent because I asked you if God is a perfect being. You see, my point on these particular threads is to illustrate to the other readers how theists actually react to questions. Thanks, this is text book. Ill await to see what the other theists say. I wonder if they will wonder why you just didn't say yes.
woo woo
woo woo

 

And one of my purposes on this section of PF is to illustrate how absurd some of the questions made by non-theists can really be a lot of fun. Laughing the whole time that they are trying to figure out what I am doing. Have you got it figured out yet? Didn't think so.. Now see how much fun that can be... especially when you asked me to quit talking to you... and yet here you are still responding to my postings. YOU, Not even paying attention to your own requests that you have made.

 

Uhh I asked you to stop, I never said I wouldn't respond to your question dodging posts. In fact the more you make the better. Im counting how many times you avoid answering if God is a perfect being or not. Im also going to enjoy seeing the other theist give their answers and then we can figure out why you have differing positions on the same thing.

 

Then your request is obviously denied. If you don't like what I post and don't want me to respond to you,, then the best thing for you to do is quit responding to my postings. Don't like that ,,,, too bad.