Part 18 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Mitt Ryan quote #657

But you are. You must first believe the inspiration or inerrancy before you can believe in Jesus. Only then can you believe in Jesus. If the Bible is not inspired then your belief is in question.

 

The sun does "stand still" in the sky twice every year, as the seasons change, and it moves back and forth across the horizon.

On the equinox, the sun moves the way after stopping its previous direction, and then moving backwards again until the next season's change.

 

Before God had intervene those two cities inhabitants were practicing wickedness and evil the worse cult of all time that not even God's messenger was safe from being harmed. There exist no law and order no international body, no social child agency, no international police to intervene to save those innocent people, babies and children from being raised to become as evil and wicked as their adult man god, evil parents and wicked guardians humanity's only hope was God.
Pharaoh's have all elevated themselves to be gods they have totally no sense of human rights they condemn to slavery, torture and oppression the entire Hebrew people for eternity their policy of ethnic cleansing and slaughtering innocent Hebrew babies in order to control Hebrew population has gone unpunished and unchallenged for centuries and the Hebrews only hope was God not the Greeks, not the Persians, not the Babylonians. Today God no longer intervene because humanity has survived and has become stronger than the wicked and evil man gods today we have NATO, UN and of course the USA these organization and member nations are now responsible to make tough decisions against evil and wicked man god.
Fair warning has been given to the Pharaoh to free the Hebrews and the Pharaoh with his heart as hard as stone refused to let the Hebrews go instead he put all Egyptians first born at risk to die on his behalf. The only crime committed is by Pharaoh himself and the Egyptians not God's there is no contradictions.

 

Christians already know the answer they need not have to respond to your post.
God punish because they were evil not because they do not believe in Him and teaching them to believe in Him is a way for them to move away from being wicked and evil that is why we have seen how the Vikings, the Visigoths, the Gauls, the Brits, the ancient Celts that once were feared by the civilized world for their brutality and barbarism now these people after embracing God their nations and civilization is now the most modern and democratic in the world.

 

It is secular government slowly encroaching into every citizens day to day life.

 

Why would another theist not answer that question?

 

Actually all things only move relative to something else. The earth and the sun actually orbit a gravitational center of the solar system. Only a person who thought the earth was the center would have said that. It is also established fact that people of faith thought that everything revolved around the earth. They even punished anyone who said otherwise. So the question stands why didn't god know how the orbits worked back then?

 

Ref. Post #703: Within three minutes of leaving Egypt the Israelites were crying to go back to Egypt so that they could live lives of luxury on Egyptian welfare. Moses slaughtered thousand of them. He wanted to keep all of the loot they had stolen from the Egyptians.

 

Oh Im sorry I thought this thread was Christians soliciting questions. If you cant answer an on point question about your faith then that means your faith is flawed.
Im not evil Wanren, will I get into heaven if I don't believe in your god? Also not everyone is a Viking, Visigoth, Gaul, Brit, or ancient Celts . Also you left off the evil people that killed innocent people in the salem witch trials. Which group was that evil group again?
So if I go back and review older posts am I going to find you guys saying you cant get into heaven unless you accept your god? I don't remember you saying I could get in if I simply wasn't evil. That's another contradiction wan.

 

Don't be sorry this thread is about asking tough questions regarding Christianity and I have already answered your question point blank God is all perfect. Mod edit,,flounder,,3" Father forgive them for they do not know what they do". Yes not everyone are Vikings, Visigoths, Gauls etc.and yet history has shown that those once barbaric people are now the most civilized in the world after they accepted God.The Salem witch trial is a clear example when men start to take the laws into their own hand just like how thousands of Christians were put to dearth because they refused to worship Caesar.
The only contradiction is that you keep on insisting that God is against good and yet when said that you are not evil you are still against God.

 

You are NOT God, so against you is not against God. You are not a spokes person for God, matter of fact, you speak against God. As your posts are not truthful in any sense.

 

You have lied again. Not once have I ever insisted god is against good. I have insisted what your Bible states as it is written. He has committed acts of evil this is not open to debate it lists them right there in your scripture and therefore cannot be entirely pure, good or evil.
I asked why other Christians would refuse to answer such an obvious question (Is god perfect?). You didn't answer.
When I make the point god cannot be perfect because he requires people to accept him in order to get into heaven else you are punished with eternal damnation, which is vanity on his part you change your past statements to he only punishes evil but failed to answer.
I asked if I will get into heaven if I don't believe in your god. You didn't answer. (you have stated I am not evil and also stated in this thread that god only punishes evil even though we know he killed innocent children during the flood according to your bible)
You have also not answered my question regarding the old testament being incorrectly written. In order to keep the daylight the earth and the moon should have been stopped not the sun and moon. If the sun were stopped and the moon were stopped night would have still fallen due to the rotation of the earth. Why did it say the sun and moon? Why didn't god know how the solar system worked that he supposedly created? Why did no one including god know that if any of those objects were stopped we all would have died from the obvious physics dilemma that would have caused.
You also had to hurl another insult. I have amnesia now Wan? tsk tsk, your flock is almost out of sight.
Also, I am uninformed. Ive been asking for almost two years for Christians to explain these glaring inconsistencies and they haven't. Could it be I am informing them?
From what I see Christians are allergic to tough questions.

 

Complete nonsense.

Simply put, Pharaohs were as high priests. Royalty in whom the spirit of Horus dwelt. An avatar and not a 'god' reincarnation. Horus guided them in obeying the divine order of things (Ma'at). While Ma'at was kept in balance the nation prospered. When it was not - it bode ill.

There was no 'ethnic cleansing'. According to the Bible they killed a few boys under 2 - once. If you believe this ridiculous story ask yourself why they would want to ethnically cleanse a tribe of slaves who were useful to them.
As you have already been told there is absolutely no evidence of Hebrew slaves in Egypt. Whatever slaves there may have been were treated well. That way they were probably better off as slaves than they would have been ekeing out a living as free men. Not until Ptolemy were slaves treated badly, and that was 1000+ years later.

 

Complete non-sense!

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Very good post WR!

 

You've said it numerous times....people who disagree with you are "against God".

You yourself are elevating yourself to the level of God.

There is a psychological term for that.

 

The Jews were not slaves in Egypt.

 

I am not God I am a Christian a servant and follower of God. Even though I tried very hard to stand between you and God you continue speak against him instead of me.

 

At the highlighted text: Are you stating that as a 'truth' or are you merely repeating something that you have heard someone else state in the past? If you are stating it to be a provable claim, then by all means please show the proof that the pharoahs were inhabited by a 'spirit'.

 

One thing for sure you are full of self contradictions you just answered your own questions. I am not going to say you lie to yourself but I guess it is pretty obvious.
your own words: "Not once have I ever insisted god is against good"
and more your own words: " I have insisted what your Bible states as it is written. He has committed acts of evil this is not open to debate it lists them right there in your scripture and therefore cannot be entirely pure, good or evil:.
God is perfect I will repeat it again. and you keep on lying that I never answered you so here it goes again God is perfect.
Again I answered God punish the evil and wicked not the ones who do not worship or believe in Him.
"Father forgive them for they do not know what they do" "Today you will be with me in paradise" Words of Christ as long as you have not freely chosen to be evil and wicked you will enter Heaven. Only you keep on insisting that God killed innocent babies in Noah's flood.
Nothing is impossible with God if God so wishes He can make the sun the moon and the moon the sun.
The only insult is from yourself to yourself. Is God against good? You just said no and then you said yes so which is it?
Your questions and misconception about God and the Bible has been answered the problem is you refused to take off the shades of your eyes, mind and soul instead you are deeply indoctrinated to be against God that is why even though Genesis 6:5 clearly stated God punished the wicked and evil you continue to insist no even though you can not provide a single proof to back up your claim (remember I did not say lie I said your claim)
It is clear that you are not only allergic to the truth but afraid of the truth.

 

People who disagrees with me disagrees with me and people who disagrees with God disagrees with God.
Why must you elevate yourselves to be a god?
It is called self grandeur and disillusion to claim one is a god.

 

Notice it again? But what have we done? God isn't here blogging....WanRen is. Who are we "speaking against"? God? No...He's not here. WanRen is.

So if you speak against WanRen?...according to him...you are "speaking against God".

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God isn't here, WR....YOU are. So the only way we could "disagree with God" on this forum...is to disagree with YOU.

You don't claimt to be god....you just claim you should be treated as Him.

 

"God complex"---

"A god complex is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility.

A person with a god complex may refuse to admit the possibility of their error or failure, even in the face of complex or intractable problems or difficult or impossible tasks, or may regard their personal opinions as unquestionably correct. The individual may disregard the rules of society and require special consideration or privileges"---wikipedia

 

I have never spoke against your god, my god, or any god. You however, continue to twist and distort everyone's post to say something they never intended. God's spokepeople DO NOT do that. I speak against you because your posts are the most dishonest of any post I've ever seen.

 

Exactly! Your first sentence is correct God doesn't change, He is immutable. God tells us Himself, we read in Scripture, "I am the Lord, and I do not change. That is why you descendants of Jacob are not already destroyed."---Malachi 3:6 NLT

However your assumption that He had changed in your question is entirely false, for He did not change. His divine plan hasn't changed. Everything has gone on as He expected, remember let's not forget that God is omniscient, He is all-knowing, possessing infinite knowledge, meaning He knows everything...past...present....future!

We learn in Scripture that God in His infinite wisdom gave us 7 covenants, which were all needed as part of His divine plan. We learn that 4 of these covenants God made with the nation of Israel and 3 of those covenants were made between God and mankind in general, and are not limited to the nation of Israel.

The covenant that your question is in referenced to is not referred to as the "new covenant" the correct name of this covenant is the Noahic Covenant. The "New Covenant" is the covenant associated with Jesus.

The Noahic Covenant was an unconditional covenant between God and Noah (specifically) and humanity (generally). After the Flood, God promised humanity that He would never again destroy all life on earth with a Flood. God gave the rainbow as the sign of the covenant, a promise that the entire earth would never again flood and a reminder that God can and will judge sin as Scripture tells us, "And God did not spare the ancient world—except for Noah and the seven others in his family. Noah warned the world of God’s righteous judgment. So God protected Noah when he destroyed the world of ungodly people with a vast flood."---2 Peter 2:5 NLT

 

Again He did not change His divine plan. You are making the mistake of thinking God was not in control of His creation when in fact He has always been in control and so you are erroneous making the assumption that because of the covenants God was changing His plans because things were just not going according to His original plans. Obviously you are not understanding God's covenants.

The New Covenant was foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-34 of the Old Testament, as so it was not like at the spur of the moment with the birth of Jesus, God decided to make the New Covenant, that is what your question is suggesting.
We read in Scripture, "The day is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,” says the Lord.

“But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel after those days,” says the Lord. “I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already,” says the Lord. “And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.”---Jeremiah 31:31-34 NLT

The New Covenant is a covenant made first with the nation of Israel and, ultimately, with all mankind. In the New Covenant, God promises to forgive sin, and there will be a universal knowledge of the Lord. Jesus Christ came to fulfill the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and create a new covenant between God and His people. Now that we are under the New Covenant, both Jews and Gentiles can be free from the penalty of the Law. We are now given the opportunity to receive salvation as a free gift (Ephesians 2:8-9).