Part 30 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity>>>MOD ALERT<<<

Sorry but you're just spewing out more theories and theories are not known to be 100% certain.

Humans evolving over millions of years is just another theory like humans and apes shared a common ancestor.

We don't even know for sure how old this earth is, there are ages ranging from several thousands of years to millions and billions of years.

So I wouldn't talk about 100% certainties but of course you could say you are theorizing.

 

OK, I was just giving a different view.
I read that Abraham was not even a Jew or Israelite.
http://www.jesus-resurrection.info/abraham-jew.html

 

4,540,376,123 years 5 months 3 weeks1 day 2 hours 3 mins 22.23.24.25.26. Secs - give or take the odd minute.

I worked it out on my abacus and that is pretty accurate. Certainly more accurate that your timescales.

 

I don't think they got it all figured out but even a child can work out that the sky changes, days come and go, seasons change. Basics came over a period of time. Early man had no weapons but one of them learnt the value of sharpening flint to shape things and eventually make crude arms. and so thing progress.

Whether aliens have visited the earth I have no proof. Looking at some of the posts on here one wonders.

 

You've been watching too many StarTrek movies. While space aliens exist none of them go whizzing around the galaxies.

 

Of course they do. I have a friend from a galaxy in the Alpha Centauri system. SXZSSTYSKLX - or Richard in human speech - tells me it's easy to travel if you have wormhole technology. The only problem is at the edge of the universe. The wormhole gets so stretched by the expanding universe people have been known to go over the edge into nothing. Rather like they do at the edge of the flat earth.
I would get him to talk to you but he leaves today. 12 of his TTSXXTZ (wives) are due to - erm - TsuZXuv ('produce', 'give birth') ,to his 'offspring' next TYWTXZXZ (week).
All translations are approximate as 'speech' is mind to mind with expression by use of 2 of his 6 tentacles.

Any Help. Hic.

 

The statement, "Humans are not considered part of the ape family" is false because there are people which includes you (AboveAlpha.... but not all people I want to emphasize believe in this theory) that believe in a theory, and they/you consider humans to be part of the ape family.

So just by the fact that there are people which includes you (AboveAlpha) that do consider humans are part of the ape family, I have disproven the statement that humans are not considered part of the ape family.

But the thing is just because you (AboveAlpha) and others believe in a theory that doesn't automatically mean what you believe in is factual, because of the fact that you (AboveAlpha) and others haven't proven what you believe in is indeed true/factual.

There are some things we humans will just not know for sure if something is factual or false. We can believe it to be true, we can have faith that it is true, we can say there is evidence for it to be true but the fact remains you are not going to convince everyone in that what you believe to be true is indeed true.

Since I did this then it means I wasn't simply lying to support my religious ideology.

 

Purely as a matter of interest. Human, chimp ancestors may have mated, DNA suggests.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/humans-chimps.html

Don't get back to me on this. I simply posted it for your perusal. I'm certainly of the opinion that humans and apes are originally from the same 'family'.

 

A question.

If the Bible were at all that important to an omnipotent God, would said God have made some effort to get a bible into the hands of
the humans he is supposed to love?

I mean, JK Rowling got Harry Potter books published in every language and into the hands of people all over the globe in under 18 months.

It took an omnipotent God about 1500 years to accomplish the same task.

Is a middle aged English woman more capable (or concerned with her readers) than an omnipotent God?

What's up with that?

 

Humans have 23 chromosomes and Apes all have 24 chromosomes.

That seems to distinguish them from apes.

 

This supports the evidence of an Act-of-God which fused twp chromosome together and created the first human amongst the other ape.
Then that ape mated with apes and produced kids which were human, too.

 

Where did I say they were from other Galaxies?
Why do all cultures the world over have folk lore telling of tall blonde people coming from the skies and teaching them various things?
I guess you haven't read Sitchin's works or other of the same theme.
and you haven't seen any of the work of Michael Tellinger. There is a lot of evidence for an advanced culture having come to Earth a long time ago. Some say they are still here and are behind the Zionists. This gives new meaning to "god's chosen".
One of Tellinger's videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM3IxUcAl50

 

Are there any fairy tales some people won't believe?

 

No, it is not a theory, it is a classification that is on par with calling a hawk a bird.

No, it wouldn't be. Can hawks and blue jays mate? No.

 

Yep, we accept it based on its evidence, Incorporeal. Just like you, hopefully, accept that the Earth revolves around the sun.

 

What evidence GraspingforPeace? The words of another man or woman? The compiled things that you read in a book or books that was written by another man/woman? Yeppir that would be a condition of 'blind faith' that you are experiencing. You accept those words of other men and women of science, because to your mind it is easier to believe what they are saying;
"accept
vb mainly tr

1. to take or receive (something offered)
2. to give an affirmative reply to: to accept an invitation.
3. to take on the responsibilities, duties, etc, of: he accepted office.
4. to tolerate or accommodate oneself to
5. to consider as true or believe in (a philosophy, theory, etc): "

Notice that the definitions above make no mention of KNOWING or KNOWLEDGE.

 

You didn't look at the Tellinger video did you?
Are you so unaware of the anomalies in this world?
How do you suppose it is that every culture in the world has the same "fairy tales"?
You're not as well informed as I thought you were.

 

I don't see how that's blind faith. I don't just pick up a book and say "AHA, this book provides no references to evidence whatsoever, but I believe everything that is said in it as a certain truth."

No, I accept their words, sometimes, when they provide evidence for their hypotheses. But you go ahead and lie about me, it's your modus operandi. What is difficult for you to understand about that? You seem to have a problem with accepting arguments and verified data from books, but I don't. It's pretty foolish to be denigrating towards learning from books when the vast accumulated knowledge of our history and discoveries can only be reliably promulgated via books.

 

Well, what do you do to prevent it from being 'blind faith'?

You mean 'evidence' that supports your agenda? Point being, you accept their words.

Then show where I have told a lie about you. You have admitted (conditionally) that you accept their words. You made that admission without giving any details as to what you consider as evidence. You see, what you consider evidence and what I consider evidence might be set far apart with all sorts of variables in between.

Who said I was having any difficulty understanding what you are typing?

On the contrary. I have quite a collection of books dealing with electronics and the physics involved in the making of electronic components. I accept most of it but reject a lot of it because the understanding of electronics is constantly changing.. so I have to make room for those changes when they occur.

What do we really know about history other than their personal twist that this person or another person added when they wrote their accounts of various events?
Discoveries are grand things. I don't arbitrarily reject such things. However, if they IMHO seem to be a bit over broad in the description or the theory formulated after the discovery, then that skeptic side of me shows up and I dig a little deeper. Nothing wrong with that is there? I also seek understanding of things and people. Unfortunately, some people object when I challenge them and the things that they write... it is almost as though they do not want anyone to question them ... like they are demanding (silently) that we accept what they say as true without questions.

 

No, why, do you think that's what I mean?

Again, it depends.

Right, except this is what you said: "You accept those words of other men and women of science, because to your mind it is easier to believe what they are saying; "

It's that part that is a lie. You have no idea why I accept those words, you're making up a reason. Why don't YOU provide evidence for your reasoning here.

Then what in the hell are you criticizing me for? You do the exact same thing.

Are you suggesting that we can never accept historical events because they can only be recalled by people who were there?

There isn't anything wrong with being skeptical about claims, but to criticize the very essence of learning from books or from subjective accounts is idiotic.

 

Well hopefully you would not use evidence that does not support your agenda.

Yeppir. It depends on whether or not their words will support your agenda.

It is not a lie... it is my opinion.

Wrong again. My books on Electronics does not have any information on such things as evolution, creationism, big bang theory, dna, or other such things that you have been known to speak about on this forum.

Are you willing to accept the things written in the 'Bible' by people that were there?

But you criticize Christians for learning from the 'Bible' which are subjective accounts. So I suppose your criticisms of those people who learn from the 'Bible' are also "idiotic".

 

Uh, care to explain what "my agenda" is? I don't see any reason why I would avoid evidence that doesn't "support my agenda", whatever you think it is anyways.

Nope, that's your claim about me that you hold no evidence for.

An opinion stated as if it is a fact, when it is not a fact, is a lie.

...So? You only accept things written in books about electronics?

Some of them, yes.

No, Incorporeal, you don't seem to be able to comprehend this simple fact. I criticize people from learning from the Bible based on their UNSUPPORTED CLAIM that the Bible is a trustworthy source material.

 

Anything that is not on my agenda.

Really! Then I can construe all of your writings to be an evidence of your whole-hearted support of the 'Bibe' and all of its teachings?

Then you and many others on this forum are guilty of telling lies.

Even some of those have been brought into questionable status of late, thanks to people such as Tom Bearden (Phd) Nuclear Engineer.

Care to give an example of what you would accept from the 'Bible'?

Yet above, you admitted to accepting some things from the 'Bible' as a credible representation. You must then be holding that the 'Bible' is a trustworthy source of material.

 

Where is your proof? It's a fact that a theory is not proof.

I know there are people that believe humans and apes shared a common ancestor which is another way of saying that these people believe humans and apes were interbreeding at one time and they believe it was millions of years ago when that happened.

Millions of years ago?...c'mon now! We are not even certain on how old this earth of ours is let alone knowing interbreeding was going on millions of years ago between humans and apes.. that is so ludicrous!

They say they have DNA evidence of this but again millions of years ago when we don't know for sure how old this earth of ours is? I'd say there is definitely something flawed here.

But anyway just by observation alone one can see that we humans are not apes, there are distinct differences. Just looking at it alone from a biological perspective it's a fact we have differing numbers of chromosomes which is why it makes interbreeding impossible. It's impossible now and must have always been impossible in the past.

That in itself right there should tell you that we are not in the same family, we are not compatible with them to procreate to bring about more family members to perpetuate the family of humans and apes...because there is no such thing! The only thing there is, is a theory that can't be proven.

We humans perpetuate our family by procreating with other humans who are all members of the Great Human Family. We do not procreate with animals such as apes because they are not in our family...they are not in the family of man, it is impossible to have offspring with them. Those apes procreate with other apes who are in their family of apes.

There are millions of living species on God's green earth. We humans are one of these millions of living species and our family members only include other human beings...the family of mankind! And we humans reign over all the other living species on earth because God made it that way. And so it didn't happen by accident by some unproven evolutionary process.

We read in Scripture:

Then God said, &#8220;Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.&#8221;

"So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them."---Genesis 1:26-27 NLT

 

But the fact remains there are flaws regarding evolution because there are many solidly scientific reasons to question the theory of evolution and so needless to say the theory of evolution is far from settled, and rational people can question it scientifically.

The link below describes/explains 10 major flaws of evolution:

http://www.epm.org/resources/2010/Oct/3/ten-major-flaws-evolution-revised/