Part II What's holding Black America back

yes, this again.

ok why? If I invest significant time, I want to discuss things that matter.

1) Black America is currently underperforming, so much so that it costs the rest of America hundreds of billions per year. That's like fighting a major war every year (Iraq at its peak cost $180B a year, here we are talking about $500B a year), so that alone should be reason enough. I've posted the numbers once, I'll do it again upon request.

2) We are racially become Brazil-like very fast with a shrinking productive white population. We simply cannot afford underperformance anymore. I can again post numbers if you like, but I encourage your own research. With the retirement of the boomers, government debt problem, the abysmal economic recovery, and now Obamacare, there is lots of reason to be pessimistic about our economic future. Yours and mine economic futures are impacted, and our reality today is impacted.


The most likely path to economic advancement is education and training. The exceptions like Spike Lee using a credit card to make a movie company or Kobe Bryant I don't care about. Instead of armchair liberal clichéd abstract excuses that have no real life utility, like slavery or racism, how about moving on to brass tacks and see what professional liberal educators are doing about it? the discussion can then focus on today's reality instead of talking about pictures of segregated drinking fountains in 1950.

http://www.agi.harvard.edu/

We could use the Africentric school at Columbus, Ohio, however it has already failed so why bother other than to point out how wrongheaded it was.

The schools with large black populations have money, already been discussed. Liberals control the whole education food chain for better but most likely for worse, already discussed. So what is the problem? Black kids show up at school (maybe) sit down like everyone else but can't or won't learn at the same proficiency as whites. I used to teach for the military and it didn't matter where you come from or what color you were when I was in front of you. It was just me, you, and the board and all that mattered was that you engaged your brain. No excuses were accepted nor should they have been, you either applied yourself or you failed. I can teach algebra to anybody who is willing and has a nominal ability level, it therefore comes down to that- ability and motivation. I don't care if your daddy was an alcoholic, your momma didn't hug you, or if they were both slaves, it doesn't matter if really want it and you have some IQ.

On to the Harvard libs...

 

"Leaders" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They want to keep alive slavery that ended with the Civil War. Their rabble rousing only serves to line their pockets.

 

http://www.agi.harvard.edu/presentations/2006Conference/Ferguson3_behavior.pdf

Ronald Ferguson on self esteem. I can only imagine how awfully inaccurate empirical determination of self esteem must be, but these people are undeterred. After all, what else are they going to do? they need their job

no significant differences between races. Well that's a good start, but I really wonder about responder bias.

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so many know they are a problem and education level of parent doesn't matter (mother only of course)

this however is fascinating


"Self-Esteem for male and female teenagers, related to whether hip hop music is “always”“usually,”“sometimes,”“usually not”or “never”“an important part of my life.”


look over the other charts. For blacks with grades C to A, there is weak difference in self esteem while there is a much stronger correlation with white self esteem and GPA. However there is a much stronger correlation with Hip Hop music and black youth self esteem, much stronger than white kids and rock. Acting white (last chart) and rock music were held in negative esteem.

Black kids are more inspired by hip hop than with academic achievement.

the conclusions Ferguson draws from it

 

we all know that, but talking about it leads nowhere, they just don't care

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how do I blow up those damned charts?

 

Let's take Dr. Ferguson at face value.

Millions of Black youth value hip hop over education, then grow up and complain about economic disparity.

I eagerly await your explanation liberals, how do we make them 'want to be like whites in school' and devalue hip hop even though they already know education is important? or are you going to just excuse it like always?

The Harvard gang says hire black mentors, of course, it's a government solution. Where the hell would they come from? why don't blacks just mentor each other right now?

 

Funny that the same things were said of Dr. King, Medgar Evers, etc.

 

superbad, how does one get black youth to stop valuing hip hop over education? looking forward to your answer, feel free to also explain why this is a result of racism.

 

How many black teenagers do you know personally?

I am not a Liberal but I will speak anyway. My kids are A/B students and they like hip hop, but they take it for what it is, entertainment as many other black kids do.

How many black communities have you spent time in?

How many black kids have you gone out and mentored?

 

I don't have a problem answering the question, but first tell me how you know that black youth value hip hop over education.

Do you think Dr. King and Medgar Evers were villified and murdered over compassion and love.

 

see post 3 in this thread

irrelevant to this thread, not going there

 

I don't have any constant non-family relationships like that, I have been a technical introvert my whole life. I used to teach them though in the Navy. Now even though I answered that, it is however irrelevant to the issue.

glad to hear it, but we are looking at societies larger issues

again, we are examining an issue that is independent of my personal life, so not relevant. For one last time I will answer but you need to understand personal anecdotes do not matter.

I did educational outreach several times, gave tours, judged science fairs, and actually was academic graduate school mentor twice for HBCU set aside programs. One black kid from Central State failed to show up at meetings, so we dropped that. The other at Norfolk State did ok, but left after masters and then I am not sure what happened.

 

Simply paying for a War on Poverty for over a generation is like "bombing" the same bridge over and over again and claiming we are accomplishing something. We could have actually solved simple poverty by now and moved on to the next social dilemma, already.

 

They aren't perfect men. But people really need to prove that claim, when they submit it as a defense of their views. Are they anymore radical or terrible in their activism... than any other public figure?

I'd say, considering that they are both advocates of EQUALITY for African Americans in a relatively 'hostile' environment... that any/every fault they may have expressed or revealed would be 'amplified'.

In general, I don't buy the notion you and others (especially in this forum) would suggest.

How are Jackson or Sharpton doing what you say? And would you absolutely be able to 'prove' that is what their motive may be?

Please, be reasonable.

 

Dr. Ferguson at Harvard says hip hop is a problem, so why isn't Obama, Jackson, and Sharpton doing something about it? No money in it for them?

 

Dr. Dolittle says education is crap in america, guess its a no win situation.

 

Exactly!! Not to mention that many who post in this forum, are often polarized in their thinking; they remain seemingly unaware that White Americans are FAR from being without or causing problems in this society.

It's almost humorous to see the number of sinister and perhaps well-meaning White Americans who create "threads" criticizing or claiming to have THE ANSWERS to what ails Black Americans, while (ironically) at the very same time... reveal inherent flaws in the way that many (certainly not all) White Americans perceive or think about American culture. It's as though they come into a business setting claiming to be the cutting edge intellect in the room... but their fly is down or toilet paper is stuck on their shoe. They are confident, yet showing how imperfect and perhaps 'limited' they actually are.

Really folks, none of this is to be mean. I know White folks and they are BIG part of my life, the culture (sans racism) and the people are an important part of my life. But having been OPEN to and involved with the same ALL OF MY LIFE... I can see what's NOT so great and hardly matches the image or ego that many ascribe to themselves. Not in any disparaging way, I can honestly say that White people are as HUMAN as everyone else. And I'm beyond certain that anyone who is a hateful, racist... is also a destructive, hypocritical and UN-American fool.

Culturally, I could be as White as I am Black; those who know me realize that. I'm not ashamed of my appearance... but it is far beyond troubling that some of my fellow Americans seek to perpetuate fear, hatred, anger, separation and violence... via racist views and social approaches. And at this point, I think it is proper to hold such actors in strong contempt (spiritually, morally, socially and intellectually). They are DESTRUCTIVE people, the kind would scatter THORNS in their own resting place and SABOTAGE to peace and well-being of this nation itself... to satisfy their virtually insatiable LUST for a for of EVIL which many rejected as 'children'.

 

how about instead of another insipid rant, you explain exactly then how white America is to blame for black youth valuing hip hop over education?

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don't crap on this thread please, I am trying to make it something different

 

I am a Liberal... but I relate wholeheartedly to what you are saying here. Perhaps by virtue of the fact I was born 50+ years ago in the South, I'm more "conservative" than some who claim to be.

But this hyper-selective, unrealistic view (of African Americans) that many of my fellow Americans are taking (especially as expressed in this forum), concerns me greatly.

 

if you are that damn troll-lazy that you can't read a 2 page thread before commenting, go away

 

Sure, hip hop is a problem for the white establishment but for the 'black' youth it is educational. Dr ferguson is probably referring to the hip hop that is played on the radio, the garbage stuff that white kids listen and white dj's play.

 

Since you and ferguson seem to think hip hop is a problem for the youth iguess ill have to find some evidence to prove otherwise.

 

*sigh*

c'mon people, is it really too much to ask that you read the thread? if it isn't some 2 sentence slogan then I lose your attention?

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great idea, why didn't you just read the research in the first place?

 

This is proof of how wrong you are about hip-hop being uneducational;

'a global plan, designed and hatched by the man with the mark in his hand'

[video=youtube;3f2wtEG0Xus]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f2wtEG0Xus[/video]

'racism is a part of the united fate of america'

[video=youtube;yWEFvIYAbcc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEFvIYAbcc[/video]

bet you didnt know the real jews are black

[video=youtube;atgnsECTRSw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atgnsECTRSw[/video]

 

Of course, same old racist BS.

Come on, be reasonable.

 

The plain bare faced truth is black "leaders" and the black community simply refuse to take responsibility for their plight. They expect society to keep them with government hand outs not unlike I take care of my cat. The black community for a large part is willing to live in a low level of existence on government handouts, and vote for democrats because they provide those handouts in exchange for votes.

BTW my cat thinks I am a helluv a nice guy and lays on my lap and purrs up a storm.