Part II What's holding Black America back

Obama isn't condemning welfare queens (portraying a black woman) like Reagan Republicans do.

If Obama made initiatives for black Americans, the same conservatives would be crying out racism for his preference.

Glad you only see black people as votes and nuisances.

Come in the door with real reforms and projects for the inner city and they will listen. Money talks, bull(*)(*)(*)(*) walks.

It is not our problem anymore than it is your problem. White conservatives are complaining that blacks are leeching off their tax dollars. Since they are "your" taxdollars, it is also your inherited problem (if that is your actual argument).

 

Amen. You know: that's why I've always been comfortable in black communities. At the heart of all of them, black people are really easy to get along with if you know how to get along, and they're mostly religious - and I find that important. I have more morality in common with you, for instance, than most liberals on this forum.

Well: you do, and to clarify my next comment:

You openly wondered why we don't see and celebrate stories of black youth excellence. I answered that we do; but I then wondered why you asked that - because it seemed to me that you needed to see stories of excellence in order to have the courage to condemn that which is so wrong about black culture.

Never in recent history has black unemployment been so high.

It's extremely difficult for white people to not be rejected in our efforts. The moment we're known as Conservative Republicans, it goes downhill.

That said, I'm very active in the Donald Driver Foundation, whose mission it is to improve the educational opportunities of inner city kids with single mothers, as well as provide them basic needs. I've been involved since DD was a rookie.

I also am involved in a work program where I hire selected applicants based upon my own feelings of their potential, and needs.

Asked, and answered - but I have no doubt that you do. I do think, however, that your political beliefs terribly limit your effectiveness. You just cannot have the attitude that anyone could or should help you or anyone else in the black culture. It is something you are entirely empowered to do on your own.

You'd have reject thug life, disavow promiscuity; honor family commitments and take care of your own offspring.

...and by 'you', I mean you have to teach black youth these lessons. I've no doubt you have no issues with those lifestyle problems.

Not a big fan of church myself - but in black communities, that very strong tie can be the nourishing roots of change, if the message is proper, and properly delivered.

Been.

 

Exactly. And that's the problem. If the message came from Reagan, he was a 'cracker'. If it comes from Obama...well, that's a horse of a different color, now isn't it?

Who you think black welfare queens would sooner listen to?

Problem #2. It isn't about the money. What I suggest Obama do would cost nothing. In fact, if Obama emulated Bill Cosby - celebrated Cosby's message - that would go a very VERY long way.

Knock it off Eric. Don't continue to go out of your way to find offense. I obviously wasn't the one simply looking to curry votes. That's Obama and Clinton - and pretty much every other Dem candidate.

If I didn't give a crap, I wouldn't be posted on this topic at all.

Again with the money. Why do you think it's about money? It's part of the reason you've never gotten anywhere, Eric. This isn't about money, though I've given plenty over the years. The black culture needs to want to fix itself, first. Like a person trying to quit cigarettes. If they aren't really committed, it won't happen.

Of course it is. It's your community. Black on black crime is insanely high compared to any other type. It's your mothers, fathers brothers and sisters failing - and in many cases, dying.

To that extent, you are correct - but that doesn't mean that it is our problem to fix, or that we have any power to do so. 5 trillion dollars has been spent on poverty and crime in this country since the 60's. The black culture is no healthier, despite that obscene amount of money.

It is my belief that most of those stupid programs made the problem worse. It all goes back to Lyndon B. Johnson, who said:

I cannot think of a more reprehensible comment I have ever heard a politician say, but it certainly illuminates what I think of Democrat Party policy and the harm it has wrought on blacks.

 

What I wrote makes perfect sense - and for you to have no opinion of either man is pretty pathetic.

 

That isn't Conservative ignorance, Erik. That's a pure condemnation of the existence and relevance of JJ & AS - as well as a scouring indictment of the inability of the black culture to develop its own leadership.

It proves what I have been saying the entire time: black have done NOTHING to fix their issues. The fact that it HAS no leaders you would acknowledge as such - that black youth would recognize - is PROOF of that.

And you're surprised that your culture is all focked up? Your culture hasn't even developed LEADERS!

And the ones that the rest of us would be in the position - Jackson and Sharpton - aren't leaders at all, but opportunistic race pimps.

BTW: the ones that should be your leaders are instead called 'Uncle Toms'.

 

I'm calling your ignorance of both men utterly pathetic - yes. Is that the same thing as calling you pathetic?

Your inability to understand what I wrote is your shortcoming; not mine.

Completely different than my opinion of Sharpton and Jackson. Both MLK and Evers were dedicated to helping their fellow blacks become all they could be, and drop the shackles of helpless victimhood. They were both dedicated to looking past skin color and into the content of individual character.

That is exactly the opposite of the M.O. of either Jackson or Sharpton - and that's why my post made perfect sense. It is shameful for ANYONE not to see the CLEAR distinction between today's race pimps and yesterday's race healers.

SHAMEFUL.

Are you asking me if I ever take a liberal for their word? Hell no. Never. That would be incredibly stupid.

WTF are you talking about, anyway?

 

I know Superbadbrutha is sincere in his request for a list of "special opportunities," so I'd like to help him out. What follows is just a sampling.

Before I start, I should mention perhaps the most important "special opportunity" of all: preferential treatment in award of government contracts. Federal, state, and city governments all let out contracts by a process of competitive bids. That's how most of the trillions that governments spend get allocated to the businesses that sell them everything from rockets to paper clips. Officially recognized minorities, such as black people, are given extra points in the evaluation of their bids just because they're minorities. That means black-owned businesses get billions in government money they otherwise might not get.

Moi has already mentioned the scandal of Affirmative Action. Black people get preferred, non-competitive access to elite educations and elite jobs. Every top college and prestigious company has its contingent of government-mandated black people. Of course, some of these folks would have qualified anyway, but they will never be sure. That doubt will hang over them for their entire careers.

Preferred bidding for government contracts and Affirmative Action are enough to make Moi's case. But there's so much more - special grants reserved for black students and black entrepreneurs.

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/funding-african-americans-starting-own-small-business-4819.html
http://grantsforblackmen.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/federal-grants-for-african-americans-get-totally-free-money-for-college/
http://small-business-government-grants.com/category/grants-for-african-americans/
http://blackbusinessgrants.com/
http://thegrio.com/2011/10/13/programs-seeks-to-change-black-father-steroeotype/
http://scholarships-and-grants.org/grants-for-minorities/
http://www.businessdictionary.com/article/676/government-aide-for-minority-small-business-owners/
http://www.jbhe.com/features/65_pellgrants.html

 

The point is the message, not who says it. The message is no different coming from Herman Cain, now is it?

Black welfare queens aren't interested in politics.

It isn't Obama's platform or place to make those comments. Obama's job is to remain presidential and focus on economics and health care. He doesn't have executive power to miraculously cure the black community of its problems.

They don't have to do anything. Blacks vote democrat no matter what. Republicans make it easy for them to do so.

Posting and talking are not the same as doing.

EVERYTHING in this country is about money. It isn't about black and white.

How are you assuming I've never got anywhere? I'm 24... lol!

Gang related crime. Black youth turn to gangs because that is their "family", for lack of a real family unit.

Everyone acknowledges it to be a problem.. a problem that won't be fixed until the black community is cleaned up. That starts with wealth inequality. If poor blacks can find jobs, conditions will improve.

No pun intended, eh?

Ironically, the black community is the least healthy medically as well. Many in the black community never see a doctor until they give birth, are shot, or are terminally ill. There was one person in my family who hadn't seen the doctor in 20 years only to find out they were HIV positive.

But health care in this country isn't a problem, remember.

Still clinging to red vs. blue, huh? It isn't the party that is important.. it is the ideology. Show us a policy truly to help blacks succeed, and the voters will respond.

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What exactly is a "white leader"?

Why is this specific to blacks?

 

Yes, that is the initiative.

When I worked as a construction inspector for NY state, every state job had to have a minority. One black laborer was repeatedly cycled to different construction jobs to fulfill this requirement. Reverse racism, right?

He was one of EIGHT black laborers in the union of 2200 workers. Let the math sink in.

So, I'm supposed to accept a white man's doubt to my qualifications? Give me a break. I'll outperform you or any one of my peers any day of the week.

Affirmative Action in the form of quotas is illegal and ruled unconstitutional. Come again.

And the problem with this is?

I saw online someone proposed a scholarship for white males. It took some flak, but I fully support the idea. If scholarships exists for minorities and women I see no reason why white men can't create their own scholarship initiative.

The catch is, this usually blurs the line between qualifications and nepotism. White males already control nearly every business and organization in the country. That would be the main concern.

 

You seem to intentionally confuse my meaning of a professional person who happens to be Black
and those Black persons who make their bread and butter by Balkanizing the Black American at every opportunity. Al, Jesse, Obama and the LAPD too.

Now on to the big, First Grade font for your benefit.
American Black Culture is the problem. Not their skin color, genetic, etc.
The African Black person who makes it to America is more Middle Class Dream Driven, than the
Martin Family ever was over 3 generations of "special opportunities".
MLK spoke of poor people.
Jesse, Al, Obama and those who use their Blackness to advance themselves, speak to Black people.
Obama has deported more "illegals" of the Spanish speaking sort than his Texan predecessor.

Yes the culture exist in White America too. One can point to White Welfare families, etc.
The problem is the dominance of the culture on all Blacks.
Hey, kid. If your can't be a mega million dollar basketball player, live on welfare. No in between.
No engrained pride of paying ones own way.
And what happens to the kid in the ghetto who achieves at school? We know the answer.
They are acting "white" and bullied most physically. Often unto death.
My point is Black Leadership has been as ill serving to their people as the Palestinian leadership has been to theirs.
Good Black Leadership would have Al, Jesse, Obama, challenging the Black kids, why wasn't this grade an "A".
Yes you can offer a statement made by any proving they have. I want the campaign to change a
Pathological Culture as exist such that African Blacks out preform American Blacks.

Please, PM me for my Liberal Deprogramming Program.
Remember: It is not a disgrace NOT to love the first American Black President. I know.
I voted for him in '08 and he lied to me. Just another RepubloCrat. Chicago politics.


Moi

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Your posts are already misguided, don't make a mockery of yourself by being fake.

 

Wow, How Trite.
So Liberal.
Given the evidence before your own eyes, YOU go into denial & trite reply.
Yet you say African Black persons out preform American Black persons. True? No twists or dyslexia on my part?
If you don't like my take on "why", what is your take on it.
You said, African Black persons . . . . etc. Please. Do educate me why that is if not cultural.

AND. PM me for Liberal Deprogramming. I have helped and can help you too. No charge for the truly needy.

Moi

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Are you afraid to share how you know how to fix the problem? I'm very curious.

I sense that you think I am lying. I can assure that I am not. I grew up on 38th and Cherry in Milwaukee, and attended Rufus King High School. You can take to the bank that what I said is true.

Absolutely excellent.

 

And yet, you have formed no opinion that you wish to stand behind.

Unlike me? How arrogant. Have you never heard either of these men speak?? They weren't alive in the Stone Ages, for crissakes.

I'll reiterate. I think it's pathetic to be unable to have an opinion of Medger Evers and Martin Luther King, and I find it SHAMEFUL that you cannot distinguish them in any meaningful way from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Instead, you beat around the bush and make an excuse that you aren't in a position to judge.

Newsflash, 777: this isn't close. These men are NOTHING alike.

Since I earn in a month more than you earn in a year strictly because of my ability to COMMUNICATE complex concepts in an understandable and actionable manner (and no, I do not even need to know what you earn in a year to make that declaration), I'll ridicule your insult and move on.

How stupid. How utterly brain dead. Everyone knows that both dead men stood for; their intellect and ideology is not in question. They both have recorded SPEECHES. So WTF are you babbling about wrt to books? OPEN YOUR FOCKING EARS!

And everyone knows what both live men stand for too - and they're both charlatan race baiting pimps.

- these two men are in their positions because their culture allows them to be there. They are the cancerous tumors which evidence the disease plaguing black culture. PERIOD.

The two black posters I have been discussing this with are not RANDOM. They are SuperBadBrutha and ErikBEggs. Learn their names!

That's strictly and only because you're a liberal. It's called change from within; a pure grass-roots movement. The only way black culture fixes itself is if its men lead it out of its detritus.

But I don't expect a liberal to ever help. They never have, starting with Lyndon Johnson, who cared only to enslave the black population to be indentured Democrat voters. That's why he said:

"I'll have those n1gg3rs voting Democrat for the next 200 years."

I suppose you'd have to actually declare what is false about my understanding of the history in question here, but you'd have to stop being a coward for a moment and actually make a definitive statement.

 

Those 8 black laborers were golden, weren't they?

The doubt instilled by Affirmative Action is felt by everyone - the beneficiaries and those who are supposed to work with them. Everyone has to prove himself on the job, but in my experience, standards may be relaxed for black people. The real problem is that the important responsibility carried by people in elite schools and jobs - responsibility to society and colleagues to perform well - may not be honored. People in important jobs are counted on by co-workers and all those the business serves. Under-performing political appointees drag everyone down. The pols and "activists" who dreamed up Affirmative Action proceeded from the ridiculous assumption that important jobs are really just sinecures held by people with the right credentials, plus good hair-cuts. Not so. The more important the job, the more it matters.

Quotas are illegal de jure, mandated de facto.

It's certainly legal and moral to offer scholarships and grants to special groups. But when government does this, as opposed to private money, it creates an appearance of bias inappropriate for the people's government.

"White males already control nearly every business and organization in the country." You overlook an important distinction. While the CEOs of most big companies are white men, they don't wield their authority as white men. They're not there as representatives of their race; they're there to do a job. It should be obvious that most white men have no hope of ever getting such a job because they're not qualified. So whiteness is not sufficient to get such a job, and increasingly it isn't necessary either. The number of non-white, non-male CEOs is growing fast, since the ranks of corporate officers just below CEO are heavily populated with non-white, non-male executives who've risen over the last 20 years. It takes a lot of experience to make a CEO, so it's taken 20+ years for people to rise to that level. (I assume these are qualified people and not mere Affirmative Action beneficiaries.)

Black CEOs of Fortune 500 Companies

Kenneth C. Frazier, Merck & Co.
Roger W. Ferguson Jr., TIAA-CREF
Kenneth I. Chenault, American Express
Don Thompson, McDonald’s
Ursula M. Burns, Xerox Corporation
Clarence Otis Jr., Darden Restaurants, Inc.

Asian CEOs of Fortune 500 Companies

Indra K. Nooyi, PepsiCo
Richard Hamada, Avnet
Omar Ishrak, Medtronic
Kevin M. Murai, Synnex
Ajay Banga, MasterCard Worldwide
Francisco D’Souza, Cognizant Technology Solutions
Ravi Saligram, OfficeMax
Sanjay Mehrotra, SanDisk

Latino CEOs of Fortune 500 Companies

George Paz, Express Scripts
Josue Robles, United Services Automobile Association (USAA)
Carlos Rodriguez, ADP
J. Paul Raines, GameStop
Joseph Alvarado, Commercial Metals
Robert E. Sanchez, Ryder System
Paul J. Diaz, Kindred Healthcare
Joseph Molina, Molina Healthcare

Women CEOs of Fortune 500 Companies

Mary T. Barra, General Motors (effective Jan. 15, 2014)
Margaret C. Whitman, HP
Virginia M. Rometty, IBM
Patricia A. Woertz, Archer Daniels Midland
Indra K. Nooyi, PepsiCo
Marillyn A. Hewson, Lockheed Martin
Ellen J. Kullman, DuPont
Irene B. Rosenfeld, Mondelez International
Phebe N. Novakovic, General Dynamics
Carol M. Meyrowitz, TJX
Ursula M. Burns, Xerox
Lynn Good, Duke Energy
Deanna M. Mulligan, Guardian Life Insurance
Sherilyn S. McCoy, Avon Products
Debra L. Reed, Sempra Energy
Denise M. Morrison, Campbell Soup
Heather Bresch, Mylan
Ilene S. Gordon, Ingredion
Kathleen M. Mazzarella, Graybar Electric
Gracia C. Martore, Gannett
Maggie A. Wilderotter, Frontier Communications
Marissa A. Mayer, Yahoo!

 

Oh, I agree - and with you, it may actually be true.

But we both know what the Black community as a whole thinks of Herman Cain, do we not? It's roughly the same they think of Clarence Thomas, unless I miss my guess.

That's why I target YOU as the person who needs to step up - and by you, I mean black men. These troublesome slugs need to hear this from the men in their lives, and the men in their lives need to stop succumbing to 'baby daddy' syndrome - and then walking away.

Then why did he stick his nose in the Trayvon Martin case?

Stop making excuses, Erik. That's step #1.

That's only your perception, and Democrats have done a fantastically evil job of playing race and class warfare to create that alignment. Your best and brightest have figured it out, however.

The ones in your culture you call "uncle Toms". They're not Uncle Toms at all: they've just figured it out. That is my hope for you as well.

I already do.

Yes it is. There is no other way to explain how middle easterners can come into this country and become rich by earning it, and blacks cannot.

Your attitudes will dictate how far you get.

Black unemployment is multiples higher than any other race. They're not looking for jobs, Erik. Stop making excuses. Step #1.

Pun? No. Wut?

Not sure why you bring this up. Lack of civility affects all aspects of life, so this wouldn't be a surprise to me. I'm assuming HIV was acquired through drug use?

What are you struggling to link here? I'm not sure why you brought this up. What am I to remember here?

You said that blacks will never vote Republican. That doesn't sound like someone who is open to voting Republican to me.

I am not a Republican btw - though I nearly always vote Republican due to lack of feasible alternatives. I am a fiscal Conservative, and a social Moderate.

The policies which will help blacks succeed are the same ones which help me succeed, or anyone succeed. Get Government out of most things, lower taxes aggressively, etc.

Because it is the black culture which has lost its way.

 

Now you need to either state an opinion, or you need to shut the fock up. I'm getting tired of your cowardice on this matter.

You're offended. I wish I could say I was sorry about that.

2000 words in, and you haven't had the backbone to actually state what you think of ANY ONE of these four men. Cowardice.

They are both key, and symptomatic. Sorry if you don't have the stomach to form conclusions and defend them as I do. In fact, it seems to me that you're afraid of a lot of things.

Yes they are; they are part of the culture. I am not.

GREAT! At least I accomplished that. Lord knows that there hasn't been any opinion you've offered that has given us something to discuss.

Liberal interpretation? WTF are you talking about? My conclusions are drawn by listening to what these men said.

They evidently disagree with you, as they've both mentored black youth, and continue to do so. They've been compelled to do so precisely because they feel more responsible. They're black, after all.

What we do know is that you're not any more responsible, and you've proven that by doing nothing. (and no, don't bother claiming that you have; you would have told us by now).

Binary thinker, that is a stupid and meaningless statement. No one has said that those two race-baiting clowns are the sole reason the black community finds itself messed up. In fact, I named the beginning of the problem, and it was LBJ. JJ and AS are just race baiting whores that the black community has not had the moral strength to jettison.

 

You haven't explained a damned thing. Begone. Mod Edit ~ Rule 9/Profanity filter

 

If I felt that only blacks should fix the black community, I not would be active in a charity foundation whose charter is dedicated to helping the black community.

Derp. Binary thinking. Again. Derp.

Noted also: you didn't even bother to say you were doing anything. Typical liberal: all words, no action.