Part II What's holding Black America back

Technically, it's both actually. You're correct that it started as a result of the the problems already occurring, but if you'll notice, there's a street code that is expected to be upheld no matter how far someone climbs out of the ghetto. You can justify your first record being about thug life and gang violence because it's what you see around you everyday. But if you're still clinging to those subjects in your music after you've sold a million records, then you're just perpetuating the problem. Because you're not leaving your past behind. Now you are deliberately cashing in on promoting a destructive lifestyle that you worked your ass off to escape. You sure as hell don't want to go back, but you still want the image of being tied to it instead of growing into something more positive.

 

yes, take the young black man and tell him straight up like a normal human- if you choose the hip hop culture over achievement, you will be poor and in possible legal trouble AND we will not accept any (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about your economic disparity, it's just too damned bad.

what he hears instead is "you are a victim of racism, so we are expecting you to fail"

 

you see, if Eric admits hip hop culture is part of the problem and not just a symptom, he can no longer blame racism for everything. that's against his religion.

 

I think it has to do with motivation. When you are raised to treat the state like the enemy (which includes schools as well as police forces), then you aren't going to do well in school. In fact, you may intentionally sabotage your state education. This happens to any race who is taught the state is the enemy. Blacks in this country have stats (especially stop n frisk and arrest rates) that may lead one to believe the state is the enemy. The tendency for this to happen doesn't depend on race, it depends on the circumstances of the nation. White children underperform too, when taught to hate the state. It just so happens that the circumstances in our country lead a higher % of blacks to feel this way. Those circumstances being racism and discrimination against blacks.

 

I just can't figure out why more black people in this country don't get tired of being talked down to. If I were black, I'd be constantly yelling at people, "Stop treating me like I'm (*)(*)(*)(*)ing 5 years old! I'm a grown ass man! I'm as capable as you are!"

And therein lies the problem. Resisting the duty to place responsibility on everyone who bears it rather than just where it's convenient.

 

Black Leadership denies the goal of the Middle Class Dream of America.
Black Leadership denies the values of an education, a better job, live in a better n'hood with better schools.
Black Leadership has produced a cultural pathology that rests on poverty and welfare except for the few "break out successes" in entertainment or sports. Let alone the worship of gangsta culture.

Now what part of that does the reader, not get? ​

I typed as slowly as I could. ​

Moi
Recovered Liberal if any Liberal can be truly termed, "recovered".

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I'll add one thing. Black Leadership is parroting the line taken by the White Liberals who lead the Democratic Party now. Black Leadership did not come up with any of that. They're just being good citizens of the liberal world. What underlies all these seemingly disparate bad opinions is the drive to make people feel they depend on government. In the horrible world the Black and White Leaders describe, survival depends on a powerful (Democrat) government. The truth is as ugly and petty as that. If there were a pill that cured cancer overnight, oncologists would be out of work. If cars never broke down, mechanics would be out of work. If black people took control of their lives and emerged from poverty, Democrats would be out of work. Never forget that Democrats need a 70%+ vote from black people to win elections, so Democrats will fight to keep black people poor and looking to Democrats for salvation.

 

Really? Prove it.

 

Really?

Interesting. I hope you can be "Black" sometime soon.

 

This thread feels like it belongs on Stormfront.

 

Hmmm, you know its kind of that thing were you have a child psychologist who claims to be an expert on children. Now they have never reared any children, but will argue with someone who has.

Neither do I, that is why I trust my own.

Isn't that what most folks do.

Thats cool we can agree to disagree thats what makes the world go around.

 

Are they any different than White Leadership.

Really, give me some examples of where Black so called Leadership tells kids they should not get an education, look for a good job or stay in the "hood" all their life.

Actually America created this, not Black Leadership.

Back up any of the above BS.

 

Prove the opposite

Okay: My proof, - It Is Self Evident.
Black Leadership have not encouraged education.
Black Leadership have not encouraged leaving the ghetto for integrated housing.
Black Leadership pushes "Balkanizing" . Blacks this and Blacks that, not poor folks.
This is NOT Americanism.
Americanism being, anyone can achieve the "Middle Class Dream" if they apply themselves.
Get it?
Now YOU prove they have because, it is impossible to prove a negative don'tchyknow !

Moi

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they are different only in the degree to which they embrace the culture of victimhood that thrives in the liberal establishment.

actions speak louder than words. to say work and improve yourself is one thing, but that message is degraded by leaders who insist on increasing the payouts to ever increasing minority welfare rolls. shifting the blame for failing black societies to the rich, to the white and to other minorities denies the blame that should be shouldered by those societies themselves. failing to emphasize that black society is still a part of the larger society and that insulating themselves reduces prospects for advancement. would you like other examples? the reality is that america's black leadership includes some of the most corrupt and bigoted of american leaders. they advocate for black elected officials, even when they have proven themselves to be entirely without ability and they do so simply because of the color of their skin. any leadership that constantly supplies such a ready stream of excuses is doing its constituency no favors.

 

Once unconstitutional discriminatory law (Affirmative Action) is abolished many issues you have described will go away.

 

Obviously, White folks, Asian folks, Jewish folks among others to not need lessons on the power of education.
This is a Black folks deficiency.

As a negative is difficult to prove, if not impossible;
YOU give me an example of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the "professional Blacks" pushing education, Black persons residentially integrating and leaving the ghetto for a middle class life.
Recognize, the Professional Blacks are the problem.
Their leadership is to guarantee their positions, not improve their people's lives.
Give me an example where Jesse or Al have done otherwise.
And now Obama has proved out as one of these ( )0( ) too.
Obama needs to examine why a little old lady would clutch her purse when he or a Trayvon steps near.
Not blame the little old lady.
She knows a young Black man is more likely to steal her purse then a not Black man. Is she wrong?

We now Black persons can do a lot with Boot Strap efforts. Condeleeza Rice, Powell.
Of course Obama had the benefit of growing up "white". No boot strap effort required.
Just take advantage of "special" opportunities offered for poe Black folks.


Moi
Jesse and Al should speak for poor people as MLK did.
Not just Black people

No ​

 

Keep believing lies.

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And your racist views solve nothing.

 

take it up with prof. Ferguson at Harvard, tell him he belongs at Stormfront, then get the H out of here as you are empty post

 

prof. Ferguson has more experience with black youth than you do, I think. I don't have any online sources to judge you with

then you understand why I don't accept your word without evidence

sadly, they don't. people like to be told what to think

yup for now, but since I have an open mind that can change. I hope you do too

 

I'm in the projects right now, telling blacks, as well as whites, that education, and participation in the system and/or society is the way to go. You seem to think they aren't listening to me because black leaders or some other people are telling them they are victims. Imo, that's not what is going on at all. The problem is getting them to trust in the system. It can be hard to motivate people, but it's even harder to motivate people to participate in a system they don't even trust. And it's hard to convince them otherwise as cops are posted on the corner with German shepherds like its Nazi freakin Germany, as I speak. They aren't being misled imo, it's just no one is leading, at least effectively. It's a complicated problem, but in my heart, I know the issue is trust, not ability, and not misleading. Whites need to get the trust of blacks back, and the KKK, white supremacists, and in general, racist tendencies aren't helping. We could have got this done after emancipation, but instead the racism has caused this to be a 200+ year project to live in harmony. Enough already.

 

Let folks like you tell it.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Rev-Al...ucation-to-Miami-Dade-Students-206947831.html

http://www.famous-speeches-and-spee...son-speech-common-ground-and-common-sense.htm

Depends on what neighborhood she is in.

Give us a list of the special opportunities that are afforded "poe blacks"

Yep and you killed off Dr. King for his speaking. Keep giving us that racist babble, it makes for interesting reading.

 

Really, what gives him more experience than what I have.

As a black man I don't have to validate myself through you, I do it through the young black men and women I help.

If they listen to folks like you that is what they think.

I have lived it and live it everyday. So I don't talk about it, I be about it as the black youth like to say.

 

"Stupid is as stupid does", Forrest Gump.

"Give us a list of the special opportunities that are afforded "poe blacks"


I attended Medical School from 1970 to 1974, at the University of California Medical Center, San Francisco.
It is on everyone's top 5 list if you check it out. It has won 3 Nobel prizes since "my time". Maybe 4.
25% if my class of some 120 was, special opportunities admissions and scholarships.
Of the variety of those in the program, the "Black Folk" proved to be illiterate, with apparent courtesy Bachelor degrees. Cheaters that when caught; we were all put on the suspect list and told to "understand". One who was a team member on my Anatomy corpse never showed up and had achieved "special admissions" at another Medical School and got tossed out. Yet here he was again at U.C.S.F.

You asked for a list and I gave you an experience where worthy Medical Slots were wasted on bean counting.


Consider the infamous "Martin Family". Considering they breed comparatively, young -
There where three generations that could have opted out of Ghetto Life via special programs, that made the choice not to do so.
Grandmother or Grandfather Martin, if not Great Grand. . could have just taken the Civil Service exam, and become a postal worker with good benefits, with preferential hiring. Or gone to become educated and leave the ghetto.
No, The Martin Family is symptomatic of the problem of a failure in themselves, their culture, regardless of the opportunities offered them.
It is time Liberals start treating the culture. Not blaming the rest of us.

I remember MLK speaking for poor people.
I observe those who would wear his mantle speaking only for Black people.
Certainly, we can observe the same event and evaluate it differently.


BTW I do offer a Liberal Deprogramming Service. PM interest.


Moi
Got Personal Responsibility?
No?
You are probably Black
It's the white mans' fault ! My ancestors were wrongfully abducted. No other race were slaves.
blah, blah, blah

No
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Well, your science doesn't mean (*)(*)(*)(*) in the real world.

A "scientific study" is not the same as working or living in the black community your whole life. Dude go kick rocks.

 

Again you MISS THE BOAT. Young black male has no ROLE MODEL to show him hip hop culture isn't the way to go.

How early does this start sir? I'll give you a hint.. it starts well before the age of 18.

So you haven't banged women in your teenage years either? Again, what does this have to do with being black?

Just what is "hip hop culture." Please define that sir.

Uhhhhh whites do drugs more than blacks do.

Ding Ding Ding! Key point here. Whites do more drugs than blacks, but blacks are imprisoned more often for it. Do you get it now?

Making choices has nothing to do with the color of your skin, once again. You seem to think blacks are just the cancer, when the cancer is the environment they are born into. That is what you are missing. That is what people are trying to beat through your skull.