Pope resigns

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  1. Swensson

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

    What do you think? For starters, is it true? I see it on a few different news sites, but as far as I know, it might just be a rumour.

    Other thoughts or comments? Reasons? Implications?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    http://www.christianforums.com/t7657439/

    A theory on prophecy regarding the next pope being the last Pope?

    My humble apologies to anybody who may find my theory offensive because that is certainly not my intent!

    I had read about some sort of prophecy that the next Pope, after Pope Benedict, would be the last Pope?!

    My theory is that perhaps the Roman Catholic Church is going to be guided and inspired to again adopt the Apostolic era practice of having one Pope, who concentrates on the message to the Gentiles as Rav Paul/Shaul did.

    Simon bar Jonah/Cephas/Peter on the other hand was clearly sent primarily to the Jewish people and as we find out more and more and more about the way that the church operated in the first two centuries, it becomes more and more obvious that it is almost humanly impossible for one man to take the gospel to both the Jewish as well as to the Gentile communities?!

    A man in Uganda has predicted that a whole new era in positive relations between Christians and Jews is about to dawn that will play a significant role in setting the stage for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit unlike has ever been seen in history.

    I personally feel that his prediction could be genuine and could give us a clue as to how Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua is about to shake up His Temple and assist us to come to a whole new level of humility in our relations with other religious groups, such as with the Jewish Sanhedrin!

    .....
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

     
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    Peter was awarded the papcy posthumously
     
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    how many days are left?
    sounds like a good time
    funny,

    he is the only labeled 'anti christ' that i know of the bible

    matt 16:23 and he having turned, said to Peter, `Get thee behind me, adversary! thou art a stumbling-block to me, for thou dost not mind the things of God, but the things of men.'

    chuch was the stumbling block to mankind. Notice the last 200yrs of the population explosion


    been telling you, directly!
     
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    The Coming of the Last Pope

    Both Nostradamus & St. Malachy prophesied the reign of Popes and a 'last' Pope:

    Going back to an old post, a 'type of the 2nd Coming' was shown in Joshua 3:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/187727-better-prediction-end-times.html#post3922766

    The key being the number '2000,' as numbers mean something in scripture (Biblical Numerology); but the ppl follow the ark (type of Jesus) crossing the Jordan (type of death) into the Promised Land (type of Heaven).by 2000 cubits (yrs). The question is when was Jesus crucified and resurrected? It's been pretty much agreed upon that He started His ministry at 30 yo (when priests were anointed into office) and ministered for 3 1/2 yrs, and so died at 33 1/2 yo.

    But His actual birth yr is still in question---anywhere between 6-0 BC. King Herod, who killed the infants to 2 yo in order to dispose of the newborn Jewish King, died in 4 BC. The reason for 2 yo and under was per his speculation of the wisemen's 1st seeing 'His star' in the heavens. So most likely Jesus was born 6-4 BC while Herod was still alive.

    If add 33 1/2 to that range, then Jesus died approx. 27-29 AD. And adding 2000 yrs to that range indicates His 2nd Coming of 2027-2029 AD....

    So if the next and last Pope was to be around for His 2nd Coming, the Pope will 'most likely be in his 60's today. Let us see what happens!

    EDIT: Btw, and if looking at the asteroid that is suppose to pass 'very close by' in 2029, could fit this verse in Revelation of the Tribulation period:

    Revelation 8:8
    The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood,

    'End-Timing' is starting to 'sync up!
     
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    Pope Benedict XVI: A good and faithful servant.
     
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    Matt. 24:36 says all we need to know about eschatology
     
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    I'm not into prophecies and I see the second coming as more of a spiritual event when history comes to an end. Seeing that humankind has developed the ability to destroy this planet many times over, any Pope to come might well be the last. I wouldn't rejoice at that prospect though. If we blew up the planet, it would be the ultimate human failure to protect God's wonderful creation from our destructive desires.

    As for the Pope and some realistic outlooks regarding his successor: I recommend Benedict XVI for this step and wish him all the best for his retirement.
    But when chosing Cardinals that will elect the next Pope amongst themselves he's already seen to it that we won't see any massive reform of the Catholic Church any time soon. Benedict has continued John Paul II work to make the cardinal conclave ever more conservative and to stop any progress and opening that many Catholics hoped for in the Second Vatican Council. With the cardinal conclave as it is now it's unlikely we'll see another John XXIII or Paul VI as the next Pope. In the long run this inability to reform may lead to the end of the Catholic Church, but that might well take some more generations. However: for the sake of the Catholic Church and this world that needs it to be good, let's pray that the Lord may give the conclaves members and the future Pope wisdom and a pure heart.
     
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    We will not know the 'day nor the hour,' but........previous to that scripture:

    Matthew 24:3-15

    And,

    Luke 21:29-34

    We shall know the 'season' by the signs.....
     
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    Well, I for one am hoping for a Pius or an Ignatius next.
     
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    'We' dont blow up the earth, God does...as in refining with fire, and then a new heaven and a new earth...again, Restoration!

    2 Peter 3:10
    4)But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

    Revelation 21:1
    Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
     
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    We've been in the last days since He left, everything other than that is vain speculation.
     
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    Or with other words: Whatever the catholic church would do - it would be wrong - except we would do what you think we should do. Question: Is anyone in your church, state or family doing what you think he should do? And if one would do so - would this really be the best for her or him? But don't worry: We will find our way.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o22eIJDtKho
     
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    2029 will come and go....and then some NEW formula will be come up with saying "with absolute certainty"....that "it'll be 2050...no later!"
     
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    True, but then there is the 'time of the end.'

    A little more info showing the plan of God is in 'His numbers:'

    Going back to Biblical Numerology and 'Biblical years,' the agreed upon time period of Biblical years is approx 4000 from Adam to Jesus, add 2000 more for the Church Age (6th days total for Creation) and then following the 2nd Coming is the 1000 yr 'Millennium of peace on the earth (7th day of rest). for a total of 7000 Biblical Years.....the Biblical Number 7 means 'completion.'

    God has an M.O. that is revealed in the many 'types & shadows' of scriptures, which are 'repeating patterns' pointing to future events.

    Some Dave has hit upon (altho some seem like a 'stretch') but show patterns (possibly an 'infinite amount(?)', just as in His Creation, Atoms are patterns for solar systems, Galaxies, etc. All show the consistency of God!
     
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    The background of this crazy "prophecy" is very easy to explain: In Rome exists a plate of stone where the names of lots of popes are engraved. And there was only place for three names when Benedict became pope - so there are only two places any longer on this plate now. What do you think will we do if the plate is full? Exactly: We will use another one and we will continue to notice the names of our popes on plates of stone. We like it to do so - that's all. But the "last days" could also start in the next few seconds. No one knows. Could also start in a few billion years or later. This also no one knows.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1lTXhXTasA
     
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    There have been “nation rising against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; famines and earthquakes in divers places” since time memorial. Thus there have been millenialist Christians who expected the end of the world during their lifetime right from the start. One thing all these Christians had in common is that they were wrong.

    Of course the earth will eventually come to an end one way or the other. But the transformation and restoration the New Testament tells us about has spiritual meaning. It can take place right now: “We need always to bear in mind that the Bible is primarily a spiritual text. That means it deals with the relationship between time and eternity, finite and infinite, and with how humans bound by time can achieve a healing and fulfilling relationship to that which is eternal and infinite, to God.” (Keith Ward: What the Bible really teaches, p. 26)
     
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    Yes he is, and if the article is correct, this could well be an inspired decision!

    If the next pope is to choose somebody to send to the Jerusalem Sanhedrin, as well as to the Dali Lama, as well as to the Islamic community, who would be almost like was done in the first century then his being chosen to become Pope in 2013 could be extremely important!

    If I were to guess who the reincarnation of Cephas/Peter might be my first guess would be Pastor Rick Joyner, author of The Vision.

    If I were to recommend anybody to serve in the role of Pope number II, the one sent to the Jerusalem Sanhedrin, I would recommend Bruce Fraser MacDonald Ph. D. author of The Prayer of Silence!


    http://books.google.ca/books?id=mI6...=WQEZUcX3NaStygGT5oG4DA&sqi=2&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBA

    The Prayer of Silence: A Complete Course in Spiritual Transformation
    By PhD Bruce Fraser MacDonald
     
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    The concrete prophecy in this context is maybe: "He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war any more."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOQSgRJN9c
     
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    This isnt you, is it? [​IMG]

    2 Peter 3:2-4

    Amplified Bible (AMP)

    3 To begin with, you must know and understand this, that scoffers (mockers) will come in the last days with scoffing, [people who] walk after their own fleshly desires

    4 And say, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the forefathers fell asleep, all things have continued exactly as they did from the beginning of creation.

    If you read all in Matt 24 and 2 Tim 3, false Christs will come & go, and all these will discredit true prophecy so that movies like have been made by the dozens concerning an Anti-Christ, Armageddon, etc. have turned prophecy into a modern day joke*---that is how the ppl will be trapped--but the followers of Christ who will 'almost be deceived' (per scripture), but those who hold out til the end will be saved.

    Btw, several places scripture talks about a 'Great Apostasy' or falling away from the faith prior to the end times & right b4 the 2nd Coming--surely you've seen that having occurred over in Europe, the heart of the Reformation, and it is now happening in the U.S. by the latest polls of the increasing number claiming no faith.
     
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    I'm not Catholic but do they NEED to elect a Pope why not a commitee on Cardinal per continent elected by those on their cotinent for seven leaders who would run their region and could vote on big changes requiring a supermajority vote say five out of six for the measure assuming Antarctica doesn't get one. And do away with a Pope for that. If they do get a new Pope seems to me not act of the divine by politics since no one of color seems to ever get near election to the role, odd since isn't South America now their real power base?
     
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    Or with other words the prophecy says: Pope Benedict XVI will die at February/28th/2013 - that's in about three weeks - and then Mr. Joseph Ratzinger will enjoy the rest of his hopefully long and good life. And soon some people - we are calling them "Cardinals" - will have the problem to find a new Pope under the 600-700 million candidates for this job. And I guess Easter we will know who will give us the blessing "Urbi et Orbi". Oh - if your earth tries to go under before - bad luck - pray as pray can, perhaps it helps.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktXT-ywX6N0
     
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    A Question:

    Since the Pope resigned because he couldnt adequately fulfill the duties of the office, does that mean he "Peter'd" out?! <ba dump dump>
     
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    Check out Newton's prediction, I think it says 2044. Or at least "not before 2044".
     

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