Catholicism is down to a 20% attendence in Europe. In America, the Protestants have 50% of the pre-world war II attendence. 45% of all Christians live in South America. Christianity in general is faultering under the attacks of the atheists who bash the anti-science interpretatiions of Genesis, and abhor the scandal of sexual abuse of children bythe Catholics. When the media gets around to spot lighting that the same child abuse is just as prevalent in the ProtestantChurches and the Boys Scouts, these churches will all crumble. The secular attackers like Bill Maher and every comedian on the airways has had it effect, as 66.6% of all abortions ti-oday by never married young girls who checkoff "Christian" on abortion application forms. The church is going down,.., with or without the Pope.
Btw, Fel, as you dont like the book I use for some of my quotes, this is also in it: Was he fair in his record? [Foxe, John ,Fox's Book of Martyrs]
. Well...the text script you slide into sometimes is a tad annoying. I'm going in 10 minutes. coffee. i'm also adding some spiritual works and sacrifices, but those are more personal. you wish. Lol.
That is my patron Saint and whose picture is my avatar. The story (if that's all he has of it) is somewhat incomplete, however.
Nice to see we can have a 'heated' discussion and still maintain our humor! My 'motivations' believe it or not, as I have explained b4, are 'honorable.' Coffee would be hard for me to give up this time of year..come summer, Iced Tea is my beverage of choice during an AZ summer. I was trying to remember some of the things I gave up for Lent while growing up--one time it was donuts, and tried candy one time but failed on that one--- Btw, do you know where the ashes come from that they use on Ash Wed? No cheating and looking up... - - - Updated - - - Remembering that you said that...Wiki seems to have more, but dont remember the 'being gored' and killed with a sword part (?)
[Just a quick sidebar] I agree. For many years I went round & round from pre-trib to mid-trib to post-trib Rapture, but after searching the scriptures using God's M.O. of revealing His plans using 'types' that point to them ahead of time, I came to the conclusion that believers will be on the earth during the 7 yr Trib, but will be protected as God has done with his "chosen's" of the past! As scriptures says that the Trib wasnt to punish the believers <my para> There will be an end time 'catching away of the saints,' which could be considered as a 'post-trib' rapture, however.... I wrote a thread on this several years ago but coudnt find it again using Advanced Search....these were OT 'types' that I saw in the scriptures to be fulfilled in the NT---God has a purpose for requiring these 7 feasts, 7 being his 'completion' of events:
i gave up Law & Order once ( the TV show). I did it, but it was haaaaard. c'mon, like that's a hard one. Challenge me a bit will ya? It's last Palm Sunday's palms. [
The next Pope will most likely be Jean-Louis Tauron, President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious dialogue, born 1943 in France, Cardinal since 2003.
There are a lot of theological viewpoints that I don’t agree with, but that I deem theologically sound, i.e. intrinsically logical and not in disagreement with known facts. Your viewpoint ignores facts and is not intrinsically logical. That’s what I deem unsound theology. You tell me you want to read a given text literally. That given text explicitly states that you cannot know the time or the hour and yet you try to find biblical clues for supposed indicators for where we supposedly are in the “end-times” of your understanding. That’s what I call bending the bible, picking and choosing without giving criteria under which such picking and choosing may be evaluated. What do you mean by 'best guess'. Newton was certainly prone to a lot of quackery. There’s one point though in which I totally agree with Newton: that there’s a need to “put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons wch God hath put into his own breast” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies#Newton.27s_prophecy Obviously future events? Is that so? There are many ways in which one can interpret the Book Of Revelation and I’d say that preterists and idealists have made some very good points. There are even some theologically sound futurist views. But imho one is belittling the Book of Revelation if one reads it like superstitious people read Nostradamus and basically turns it into the script for a cheap horrorfilm with some monster-locusts in it. As for my interpretation : I will freely admit that in many ways the Book of revelation is a book with seven seals for me. And I’m obviously not the first Christian to have problems with the Book Of Revelation, whose canonization has been heavily disputed even in the early church. With Luther I consider myself in good company of those who find it a hard read because it seems to contradict “love your enemies”, “forgive each other” etc.. That does not mean I tear the pages out. What helped me to a slightly better understanding was trying to read the book of Revelation with the eyes of a 1th century Christian who lives under constant threat of persecution who has seen many martyrs tortured and executed for their faith. Even though I don’t think it’s a proper Christian sentiment I don’t blame such a Christian for having vivid fantasies about a possible revenge that might hit his perpetrators on judgement day, unfortunately such sentiments are very human. From an idealist viewpoint you find a highly poetic language in Revelation in which the age-old battle between Good and Evil is depicted. What the author writes as a consolidation and message of hope to the 1th century churches of Asia can still give us hope in our troubles today. So to me the main statement is that Good will prevail and we’ll be able to rest with the Lord. End times/final judgement: I never said the end times were just a Super nova of the sun to me. In a way I think the end-times revelation talks about started with the creation of a finite world. In that finite world we need to be aware that we might die any minute. For all I know I might not even be able to finish this post before I meet my maker. So I’d better make sure my conscience is always as ready as possible to be judged. It’s also likely that humanity gets extinct one day, be it because of a meteor hitting the earth, Yellowstone breaking out or a mad-man starting a nuclear war etc. etc.. . But unlike you I would not want to risk becoming a false prophet on if, how and when these things will happen. Luckily I’m not even tempted to wish for the end of this world to be nigh, because it does not hurt my vanity to think that the history of humankind might go on for quite a while without me. God is outside of time anyway and so will I be once I’m dead. You don’t need to say “Thus saith the Lord” to come across as pretty convinced of your ‘prophetic abilities’ while generously turning a blind eye to your own picking and choosing even after I pointed it out to you. Thanks for the compliment. As for who is a sleeper and who isn’t: Let the Lord be the judge of that.
What? You mean come back like Mike? It's rare enough that a Pope resigns. I seriously doubt he would resign and then come back.
What? No translation to the vernacular on the other side of the page? Funny. My Maryknoll Missal dated back to 1960 has Latin on one side and English on the other. Two years is a bit much. You can understand what is said after listening to the Latin and following along in English on the other side. Before I left my old parish, I had a good grasp on what was said just by following along in my Latin-English missal. No school needed.
His name is still "Joseph Ratzinger" and his title will be "resigned pope Benedict XVI" - and he will stay to be a Cardinal of the catholic church. And for sure he will still have some inflluence, because he was in his whole life a hard worker, an independent thinker and a man with a deep spirituality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyOJ-A5iv5I
Foxe isn't very good history. Martin Luther was never martyred. He never was burned at the stake or anything like that. He died of cancer.
Ok. Now I get it. All popes are evil. What does denying the holocaust have to do with anything? Martin Luther was notoriously anti-semetic. If he had lived in the 20th century, I wonder if he would of denied the holocaust. 50 million people is a ridiculously high number. There was not that many people living in all of Europe until the modern age. Even if you consider the total number of people that lived from the 7th century to the reformation, you still have to take the millions that died during the black death. Add this all together, and ask yourself with such a death toll, how is there a single European alive? Any so called "history that uses nonsensical phrases such as "romish, romanist, popery should not be considered as anything except for anti-Catholic bias.
Fox records the death of Luther as such: (Kindle Locations 9550-9552). Public Domain Books. Kindle Edition. Plz quote me where I said 'that.' Just a cheap retort to my presentation of corruption that 'did exist' in the medieval Roman Church. • ROMANIST (adjective) Meaning: Of or relating to or supporting Romanism Classified under: Relational adjectives (pertainyms) Synonyms: papist; papistic; papistical; popish; R.C.; Roman Catholic; Romanist; romish; Roman Context example: the Roman Catholic Church Pertainym: Romanism (the beliefs and practices of the Catholic Church based in Rome) http://www.audioenglish.net/dictionary/romanist.htm EDIT: Btw, the ' holocaust' line was a 'satirical dig' between Fel & myself, not for consideration as the reality of how I know her! I.e., chill out!
Please note it is derogatory. http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Romanist adjective chiefly derogatory belonging or adhering to the Roman Catholic Church: most English Catholics were more royalist than Romanist Do you go around insisting on calling Black people "colored" because that was a norm a while back? Or do you recognize it is offensive?
I dont claim to be a prophet of the 5-fold ministry (rather teacher & evangelist) but do study the 'word of God' contained within the scriptures, correlate them maintaining context, and thus having organized them present to meet the topic, and then 'write' them down as postings. Again, as a workman who has studied and is not ashamed. As, proph·et n. 1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed. 2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression. I have no problem with ppl who 'qualify' their predictions as 'best guesses' in an attempt to correlate the scriptures in regards to the end time. [not talking abut telling ppl to 'put on their Nike's and drink some Kool-Aid') And, since as you cant beat 'revelation' into someone's head (who is resistant to what they prefer to deny), so then we're back to, "Time will tell;." however, remember those foolish virgins who fell asleep and missed the 'coming' of the Bridegroom...or did you tear that page out of your Bible?! And so continue in your faithless denial of the scriptures that 'YOU dont like'...."Peace & Safety," "Peace & Safety," "Peace & Safety," "Peace & Safety," yourself into dullness....and...
I can see your point in that analogy, altho I never considered 'Romanist' as such, just an accurate & archaic description of the Church based in Rome. I do remember growing up as a Roman Catholic, and that most American Catholics I was around purposely dropped the 'Roman' as they had internal disagreements with the authority in Rome concerning things like 'birth control, fish only on Friday, etc.' They preferred to be called just Catholics, or even 'American Catholics.' Ooops, sorry....<wink>
I heard on the news this morning that the pope said he would be hidden from the world....does that mean he's going into hiding? In shame??? Taking secrets with him so he doesn't have to answer to anything?
No. The contemplative life is one where one lives away from contact with the outside world--it is a "hidden life" but a life with great effect in that the offering of prayers (as Catholics believe) influences the course of the world (though in a hidden way). I suspect the choice is because it is one of dignity, and perhaps he has some health issues that would not be "dignified" splashed across the news (which is no friend of Catholicism). I think maybe he has had signs of dementia considering that he mentioned frailty of MIND and body.
In general: He can do whatever he likes to do because he's a free man - but he said something about his plans to live in silence. [video=youtube;p1lfOWFHry8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1lfOWFHry8[/video]
Yup, silence and hiding are certainly strong characteristics of the Catholic Church. What health issues aren't diginified??? What?!) The media is no friend of Catholicism?? Then why have I heard constant news about the Pope resigning, every newscast, Internet news, newspapers..over and over again as if anybody but Catholics cared...how damn friendly do you want them to be? Just friendly enough to HIDE the rapes????
to mr. swenson and all ::::: i hope that this information is not repititious. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ New Pontiff to be the last, Irish prophet says 12.02.2013 | Source: Pravda.Ru After abdication, Pope Benedict XVI will devote his days to praying, thinking, and possibly writing, a spokesman for the Vatican told reporters Monday. He added that Benedict XVI would most likely go to a monastery in the Vatican after abdication. Meanwhile, it has been reported that the new Pope will be elected by Easter, which this year will take place on March 31. According to the prophecy of St. Malachy, the new Pontiff will be the last. Pope's brother Georg Ratzinger said that the decision of Benedict XVI (Joseph Ratzinger) was "natural" as it was getting increasingly difficult for him to walk. "Age crushes on him. My brother wants to rest," - said Georg, who is 4 years older than his brother. A number of leading political figures, including Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, expressed sympathy for the resignation of the Pontiff. Saint Malachy was an Irish saint and Archbishop of Armagh, to whom were attributed several miracles and a vision of the identity of the last 112 Popes. He was the first Irish saint to be canonised by a pope. The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with current pope Benedict XVI's successor, a pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i find this to be one of those "wow" type infos from old historic times. vlad
