Post proof a god exists.

Most religions espouse a conversion of non-believers rather than coercive force or stark murder to kill 'em off. Obviously there have been periods where such was not the case, but I would say the fault for that lies not within the religion itself but instead the people who went way too far in their service to their God. I would also say that many atrocities have been done in the name of a religion but were actually commited for other reasons: greed, power, ego, etc. For example, there is no place that I know of in the New Testament that calls for torturing people or burning somebody to death for witchcraft.

Other thing is, you conveniently forget the overwhelming good side of a belief in God and religion. You know where the concepts of equality and justice began? Religion. How about hope, charity, mercy, forgiveness, service for the common good? Religion. Most if not all of the best human qualities have as their basis a religious belief. Life is a biotch sometimes, as we all know. Religion is one way to get through the hard times, when people who share your faith come together to help you. There is a strength in numbers, not everyone is strong enough to go it alone. It may not be the right thing for you, and obviously we should condemn those who harm others for their religious beliefs, or any other reason for that matter. The fault lies with those who misuse their religion rather than the religion itself.

 

Nobody can prove or disprove the existence of God, gods, or a singularity of no origins. People believe whatever they believe and those beliefs may be static or dynamic. You however have a track record that makes it nearly impossible that you can be scientific or fair. You are so biased, all you can do, at best, it continually reconfirm your bias.

Unfortunately, I think bias confirmation is not what you seek in these threads. What difference should it make to you what someone's beliefs about God are such that you would constantly troll religion? If someone lost a spouse or friend or job or whatever is facing some particular difficult time in life and their belief that relative is in heaven or is now mistletoe in some oak tree in France or Karma will reward them has value to society whether said is true or not. A tremendous amount of good in modern society is connected directly to religion and religious organizations. Perhaps even members of this board are facing some such difficulty, and turn to their faith, and maybe would like to reach out to others of faith for support but won't because they know you and all the secular humanists/atheists would do nothing but continue to troll the source of their comfort. Regardless, it is illogical to think that one can be scientific in approaching the existence or nonexistence of a deity no matter what the truth is or is not.

 

Please cite source... or was that just your opinion?

 

Do not forget that the Gays and Feminists have a vested political interest in attacking Christians as a body of thought.
They hope if not silence them completely, at least that they might through ridicule and argument make what Christians say unfounded in some way, or at least "answered back."

If you accept scientific evidence as a proof,...
Modern science has developed the Copenhagen Interpretation which presently founds the Quantum Physics they use.
This Interpretation has the addition side effect of INSISTING some "observer" had to be present before the Big Bang occurred.
This scientifically support the oldest argument for a creator God, which has been called The First Cause.

 

hahaaaaa,....

Funny.
The Jews say the same thing, that God is ineffable, too complicated to be defined verbally.

But Jesus said, "I am the Truth, the way and the life"... (John 14:6)

This revelation explains that Reality unfolds and sires Truth in its wake, and image of reality which then tells us this mystery of God.

 

The Observer had to be initial Energy from which the material universe was created in accord wth einstein's Law, E = mC^2

 

Please post a single example where I have posted on this forum that can be seen as me POSTING IN A BIASED MANNER!!!!

The problem you are having is since you have strong religious beliefs you feel that any post that is written and discusses religion or the existence of a GOD in a purely scientific or mathematical way is somehow BIASED because such logical methods of discussing the veracity of religion or a GOD is something neither you nor anyone can challenge as far as it determining the facts and probabilities.

I find your post to me laughable at best and I will wait for you to PROVE your assertion as I wait for you to post a single post I have made that can be considered biased and biased in this case would mean I would be unfairly prejudging and unfairly determining something to be a fact or not without doing so in a logical and scientific manner due to mt ideology.

You CANNOT state that during the question of an issues veracity where logic and the scientific method is used is a biased method because it is an issue of Faith.as just using the word Faith already determines that the issue. belief or ideology has no evidence to support it's existence.

You are acting like another angry Religious Ideologue who does not have a foot to stand upon.

AboveAlpha.

 

If a proof for god truly existed, then it would not be the case that 93% of elite scientists are agnostic/atheists. Essentially, the question of god's existence has already been peer reviewed. That's my proof that a proof for god does not exist. As for the proof that god doesn't exist, everybody knows that it is impossible to prove the non-existence of an invisible supernatural being.

 

Although as I stated anyone shown to be Telekinetic are numbered on one or two hands and as I cannot go further into this issue I would suggest you look into the very real Psychics on the FBI Payroll I also encourage you to look into the Remote Viewer issue.

I know a great deal about how the Old Testament and New Testament were created from the Tanaka..Old Testament and the various gospels and books that the Roman Imperial Biblical Canon chose to create the New Testament and as many Gospels and Books were NOT chosen by the Biblical Canon as they tended to conflict with the others chosen it is greatly apparent the New Testament's creation by the Biblical Canon was ARBITRARY.

This topic is specific to any member being able to post anything that could be considered PROOF that a GOD exists and so far NOTHING by any members has been posted that can be considered PROOF.

I created this topic after having to read numerous posts by some members who were stating that the existence of a GOD is proven and a fact.

Well....nothing yet.

AboveAlpha

 

I have always been somewhat amused by Biblical literalists, who, in every day life seem somewhat intelligent, but accept without question the reality of an Ark, a man living inside a big fish, or pillars of salt. Something I've just not been able to wrap my head around.

 

Scientists seem to answer back to what religions have been saying about this thing that they call God.

The science community still seems convinced that there was no universe back 13.6 billion years, and one did form with a Big Bang.

But they have no other evidence except what Copenhagen Interpretation tells them, that some "observer" was essential to that first event, and I call "it" the Creator.

 

That is rather silly,... to condemn the New Testament which was set down officially in 380AD, but had been used since 54AD by the many Monasteries across Egypt, Europe, and even India.

Especially, the Book of Revelation.
Revelations was an actual letter, sent to the first seven churches with the directions to read a passage from it every week in those organizations.
Any changes made to the text we now have did not change much because the readers have assembled and repeated the teaching continuously thereafter.

The men who managed to gain power over Universal Christianity were part of the body of saints who had been persecuted by the Rome Empire until 263AD, at least.
So writing the Gospel a 100 years later, as Canon, was not something we ought be suspicious of.

 

The stories you refer to were all written by men using the Language Arts to convey them, messages which were not intended for them but more for us.
Metaphors, hyperbole, symbolism, etc are part of the tools for communicating in language, an they are not always intended for the simplest readers.

We are supposed to be the "wise" who have the facts through science and History to understand the writings.

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

Not really. People think that our big bang was the only big bang, and that there was nothing before our universe and that there will be nothing after. This is just hubris. New universes are being born all the time. Every time you see a black hole, it's essentially a new big bang. If you were to go into a black hole, the rest of the history of our universe would pass by in a single moment, and you would come out on the other side in an alternative universe, which sprang from the singularity created by that black hole. This is all governed by physics, and doesn't require any "creator."

Look, if science really required a "god" then most elite scientists would be religious. But it turns out, more than 90 percent of them are atheist. So that tells you something.

 

Every statement I have ever made here has ALWAYS been supported with concrete evidence from other sources especially including those which are scientific.
What we have here is a group of untrained people in these fields who will not accept the Science that supports the verses in the Bible, while trying to argue Science against the Bible.

LOL

 

Show me the god!

Still haven't seen it.

Why would your god hide ? Why would he make his existence so hard to prove?

 

You said this:

"Now using the Science of Theology to provide of PROOF that the words Yam Suph which means REED SEA are what the Hebrews CROSSED all one has to do is refer and reed what is written in the TANAKH...which is the book detailing that story and is the book that was used by the Roman Christians to CREATE THE OLD TESTAMENT."

But this is all wrong.

The Old Testament which we read today was written in 350BC.
That was 1000 years BEFORE the Romans translated that Old Testament into Latin.

 

God is Reality, and his son is Truth, the image of reality as it forever unfolds.

You will never see it,... because you are sworn into a Fantasy World that can not be supported with facts.

 

OH BS! You and your "Reality" and "Truth".


Repeating words like a demented parrot does NOT prove god's existence....I would think if there was a god you'd embarrass him.

Why do you think you are the only one who knows what "truth" and reality" are?
Answer: You aren't ...and babbling incessantly about it hasn't proved a thing except that YOU have NO proof there's a god....

 

Of course they were. Also, to explain a universe they didn't understand. You realize that, I realize that, but the literalists don't. Or won't.

Why? is the question. I believe they need the "perfection" of their holy book as glue to hold their theology together. If their book isn't perfect, then either is their god, and all falls apart.

But to ignore, or actually deny, the realities of science to retain their faith is flabbergasting. Can one's theology be that shallow?

 

Excellent post, but I would disagree to some extent. I believe the concepts of equality and justice are innate within the human consciousness. As well as the other descriptors you used. The Ten Commandments, except for the demands to worship one particular god, are concepts that a reasonably moral person would compose, independent of a god. Don't lie. Don't cheat. Don't steal. Don't murder. Don't diddle your best friend's wife. Don't be envious. And so on. Nothing supernatural there.

 

Look at the concept of equality. Most religions do not differentiate between male and female, race, ethnicity, or any other discriminant. Follow the precepts of your religion and believe in your God, and you're in heaven when your life is over. Or your karma will be positive going into your next life, whatever. So there is an argument to be made that religion at least contributed to the idea that we are all created equal in the eyes of God, whatever that might be.

Same deal with justice, if you mess up in life you're gonna pay for it on judgement day. Won't be any plea bargain either, and no favoritism or bribing the judge. These things may exist as potential in every human, but the idea that everyone will develop and employ them is another story. Not talking about the socio- and psycopaths either, for a lot of people when push comes to shove it's me first. We've seen that every time we drive home from work, right?

There are those who espouse the idea that the more positive and noble human values I mentioned could have occurred without the advent of religion. Maybe so, but I kinda doubt it knowing human behavior. That's not to say that atheists and agnostics today don't or can't have the same values that a religious person has minus the belief in a God, of course they can. But they live in a society that has already been civilized, and already conditioned to favor those values. So the question is open to debate, and I don't think there's any proof to be had either way.

 

Agreed. Belief and $2.43 will get you a vente black coffee at Starbucks.

 

Hmmm,..
"Proof" is something a person does to himself.
When someone accepts anything, it is because he/she has found something that convinced them.

Remember this when you think about what Neils Bohr said, in his science about the Copenhagen Interpretation.
What he said presents the evidence for an outside Observer of the Big Bang.


Science facts do NOT mean you will suddenly agree that there was a Creator, but it is scientific evidence presented to this forum.

 

Yes, with the exception of the first commandment, we could see the logic of the others.
But when Jesus arrives and says he is both Truth, personified as the ideal it is, and God's son, we see that Reality MUST be the father of Jesus.

Hence, to LOVE reality is both sensible behavior and sane.